Better Man

heartdesireheartdesire Posts: 430
Talkin to herself, theres no one else who needs to know...
She tells herself, oh...
Memories back when she was bold and strong
And waiting for the world to come along...


I have always really liked this song, well loved it. I have sang it with all heart at shows ... but somewhere in me it felt like one of Pearl Jam's staples ... the hit song, the crowd pleaser ... not the ultimate favorite of the diehardandfastloveum'tiltheendfan. Feels weird to say that but it was a blocking thought I had.

I was just listening to the live version Chicago May 17th and something shifted hugely for me. I have been going through quite a whirlwind of depression and grief due to a rank choice I made. Things have been rather blue, well not blue as that is one of my favorite colors, just really bleak and dark.

I needed to find the light in me again so I put on the head phones and started listening, deeply listening as I once did and haven't done in quite some time, to a slew of PJ songs ... release, inside job, in hiding, garden, porch, love boat captain and then I came to Better Man.

I listened and I sang and I felt it and wow it may be a song written about finding a Better Man, but it sure encapsulates finding meaning and peace in whatever it is that may be blocking one. Well that is how I experienced it. So wow, what an evening for me. Once again PJ has opened my heart and my eyes, as they have time and again. PJ is definitely one of the best elixirs in life.

It is amazing how one thought can block the beauty of something amazing or just anything for that fact of the matter. Someone shared with me recently ...
"Thoughts become things ... choose the good ones!". So I'm watchin' my thoughts, choosin' the good ones and am forever thankful and amazed at the power of music and the soul of pearl jam.

thanks for readin' my ramble.
"i'm a dedicated insomniac" ~ ev nyc beacon 6/22
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Talkin to herself, theres no one else who needs to know...
    She tells herself, oh...
    Memories back when she was bold and strong
    And waiting for the world to come along...


    I have always really liked this song, well loved it. I have sang it with all heart at shows ... but somewhere in me it felt like one of Pearl Jam's staples ... the hit song, the crowd pleaser ... not the ultimate favorite of the diehardandfastloveum'tiltheendfan. Feels weird to say that but it was a blocking thought I had.

    I was just listening to the live version Chicago May 17th and something shifted hugely for me. I have been going through quite a whirlwind of depression and grief due to a rank choice I made. Things have been rather blue, well not blue as that is one of my favorite colors, just really bleak and dark.

    I needed to find the light in me again so I put on the head phones and started listening, deeply listening as I once did and haven't done in quite some time, to a slew of PJ songs ... release, inside job, in hiding, garden, porch, love boat captain and then I came to Better Man.

    I listened and I sang and I felt it and wow it may be a song written about finding a Better Man, but it sure encapsulates finding meaning and peace in whatever it is that may be blocking one. Well that is how I experienced it. So wow, what an evening for me. Once again PJ has opened my heart and my eyes, as they have time and again. PJ is definitely one of the best elixirs in life.

    It is amazing how one thought can block the beauty of something amazing or just anything for that fact of the matter. Someone shared with me recently ...
    "Thoughts become things ... choose the good ones!". So I'm watchin' my thoughts, choosin' the good ones and am forever thankful and amazed at the power of music and the soul of pearl jam.

    thanks for readin' my ramble.

    I love Betterman heart&desire! It's the reason I became hooked on PJ in the first place. :) And it was very relevant to me in a literal sense at the time of it's release. But now it has become so much more to me. Because I am not that girl anymore, and Pearl Jam helped me with that song, become the girl I wanted to be. Now, not only does Betterman serve to remind me as a "how not" to be in a relationship, it also inspires me as a "how to"! And it also evokes very strong memories of a dear, dear friend who committed suicide in 1997. He learned to play Betterman and made it a staple on his playlist with his band purely because he knew how much it meant to me. :) So know whenever I hear it I think of him and what a great gift that was for him to give me. :) Now I find Betterman very uplifting because the beauty of what Ed and the boys did is that they managed to paint a picture in words of a difficult situation and then infuse it with emotion and somehow making it uplifting and hopeful too. Now Betterman is my "You go girl" track!! :D Because it serves as a reminder and a motivator too! :)

    "Thoughts become things ... choose the good ones!".
    Thanks for so eloquently reminding me of a good thought, and a bad thought at the same time and managing to remind me of how to go forward bravely and happily. :) I hope you are feeling a bit brighter very soon. I think you are on the right path and I wish you well with the journey. Thanks for crossing mine. :) You can write a ramble anytime as far as I'm concerned. It's well worth the read! :)
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  • bookmusebookmuse Posts: 277

    It is amazing how one thought can block the beauty of something amazing or just anything for that fact of the matter. Someone shared with me recently ...
    "Thoughts become things ... choose the good ones!". So I'm watchin' my thoughts, choosin' the good ones and am forever thankful and amazed at the power of music and the soul of pearl jam.

    thanks for readin' my ramble.

    Your ramble was well worth reading. I really am inspired by that quote. I am going to write it down and post it around my home and my desk at work as a reminder.

    As for Betterman - I've been a diehard fan since Ten - I absolutely love this song because it touches me -could care less how many times they play it or who may think it's lame because it will always mean a great deal to me. I have always found that it has helped to rid specific demons from my soul. And I am glad it has helped you. good thoughts coming your way.
    "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    bookmuse wrote:
    Your ramble was well worth reading. I really am inspired by that quote. I am going to write it down and post it around my home and my desk at work as a reminder.

    As for Betterman - I've been a diehard fan since Ten - I absolutely love this song because it touches me -could care less how many times they play it or who may think it's lame because it will always mean a great deal to me. I have always found that it has helped to rid specific demons from my soul. And I am glad it has helped you. good thoughts coming your way.

    It's a great quote isn't bookmuse? And your suggestion a great one! :)
    Might have to do that myself. ;)

    Oh and btw I have found a great little music exchange that may actually be able to get me a few Lovemonger discs!! :D I'm on the case!! I'll get back to you and let you know how I go! THANKS AGAIN for that little gem!!! :D:D:D
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie & Bookmuse thank you! My heart is forever warmed! I have more to say but time is limited for me today ... I love Pearl Jam and this wonderful forum they have provided which is filled with beautiful souls!

    Here is another gem I just received today ...

    Thoughts Are Things - ICR 338

    I hold it true that thoughts are things;
    They're endowed with bodies and breath and wings
    And that we send them forth to fill
    The world with good results, or ill.
    That which we call our secret thought
    Speeds forth to earth's remotest spot,
    Leaving its blessings or its woes
    Like tracks behind it as it goes.
    We build our future, thought by thought,
    For good or ill, yet know it not.
    Yet, so the universe was wrought.
    Thought is another name for fate;
    Choose, then, thy destiny and wait,
    For love brings love and hate brings hate.

    - Henry Van Dyke

    Christopher

    P.S. Like attracts like. Watch what you vibrate.


    Have an amazing weekend! h&d
    "i'm a dedicated insomniac" ~ ev nyc beacon 6/22
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    It's amazing how the same words could mean so many things to different people, and inspire different results. I think it's great to hear when anyone has found a song to inspire her/him to figure out what is out there and to realize that it's possible.

    I hear this song and I only think of people who don't realize that yet. Who see life only as bleak; who see it as a tunnel to go down and don't find the next opening. So, it's not my favorite song.

    However, again, it's great to hear that it means something different and more meaningful to others.
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  • bookmusebookmuse Posts: 277
    Jeanie wrote:
    It's a great quote isn't bookmuse? And your suggestion a great one! :)
    Might have to do that myself. ;)

    Oh and btw I have found a great little music exchange that may actually be able to get me a few Lovemonger discs!! :D I'm on the case!! I'll get back to you and let you know how I go! THANKS AGAIN for that little gem!!! :D:D:D


    Hi Jeanie,

    Hope the exchange comes through for you. I think I'm going to look for a Lovemongers CD or two myself. Why I haven't yet is beyond me :D

    heart&desire posted another Gem. Like it.
    "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
  • bookmusebookmuse Posts: 277
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    It's amazing how the same words could mean so many things to different people, and inspire different results. I think it's great to hear when anyone has found a song to inspire her/him to figure out what is out there and to realize that it's possible.

    I hear this song and I only think of people who don't realize that yet. Who see life only as bleak; who see it as a tunnel to go down and don't find the next opening. So, it's not my favorite song.

    However, again, it's great to hear that it means something different and more meaningful to others.


    It is amazing. I see how you may think it's bleak but I think the lady did leave the man eventually. It's like that in relationships that are bad or not just right. There is a time when one goes back and forth within their minds and question what they are feeling and what their choices and actions should be. At one time you loved this person, now you don't and it feels like shit. It's the life you built together and the heartache. It's hard to leave a relationship because relationships are multi-facetted. So, I see it as more a struggle within yourself to do what you know needs to be done but it's a very hard thing to do and relationships die over time. I think she gets out...not bleak to me...and because she experienced this she won't settle next time.
    "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    bookmuse wrote:
    Hi Jeanie,

    Hope the exchange comes through for you. I think I'm going to look for a Lovemongers CD or two myself. Why I haven't yet is beyond me :D

    heart&desire posted another Gem. Like it.

    Hiya! I'm glad you posted this because I got an email reminder which I needed!! :D Memory like a sieve some days!! You're probably suffering the same affliction if you haven't managed to get yourself a Lovemongers CD either!! ;) So now you've reminded me I'll go ring them! AND I will let you know. No really!! :)

    Love the latest addition from heart&desire! Another one to cut and paste into my poetry file!! :)

    Maybe we should make a "poetry & quotes we love" thread? :D
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Jeanie & Bookmuse thank you! My heart is forever warmed! I have more to say but time is limited for me today ... I love Pearl Jam and this wonderful forum they have provided which is filled with beautiful souls!

    Here is another gem I just received today ...

    Thoughts Are Things - ICR 338

    I hold it true that thoughts are things;
    They're endowed with bodies and breath and wings
    And that we send them forth to fill
    The world with good results, or ill.
    That which we call our secret thought
    Speeds forth to earth's remotest spot,
    Leaving its blessings or its woes
    Like tracks behind it as it goes.
    We build our future, thought by thought,
    For good or ill, yet know it not.
    Yet, so the universe was wrought.
    Thought is another name for fate;
    Choose, then, thy destiny and wait,
    For love brings love and hate brings hate.

    - Henry Van Dyke

    Christopher

    P.S. Like attracts like. Watch what you vibrate.


    Have an amazing weekend! h&d

    H&D I'm so sorry, I thought I'd posted a response to this the other day, but I must have got caught up in other irrelevant crap!! So sorry for that!!
    Yes, there are some amazing people here in PJ land! And it's so nice to be able to share with the good ones. :) I do so love this one. Thoughts are Things. So true! Anyway I have cut and pasted it into a little poetry file I keep. And I would very much love to hear any other wonderful little things you may post so please, keep us nourished. :)

    Hope your weekend was awesome.

    AND hope to hear you again soon! :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • i havent got much to say about betterman, although it is one of the most powerful songs not just by pj but by anyone i have ever heard. absolutely love it :):):)
  • it's about abuse, right?
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Strutter wrote:
    it's about abuse, right?

    Well not physical abuse, not as far as I can see, or hear. :)

    I think it's about a woman in a relationship with a man who stays out all night, and how she wants to tell him that it's not acceptable to her, wants him to know that she deserves better. But the apathy of the relationship has set in and she lacks the courage of her convictions to speak up. She's lying to herself that she loves him, because she's forgotten the girl she once was. She has to tell herself that she's in love with him in order to stay there.
    I think it's about not being able to find a betterman, but really it's about not being able to find the best woman that she can be. It's about a woman who has lost herself.

    Least that's how I hear it anyway. :)
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Well not physical abuse, not as far as I can see, or hear. :)

    Least that's how I hear it anyway. :)

    See thats what makes Pearl Jam songs so beautiful.... you hit it on the head. "How I hear it!"
    Some people listen to music, Pearl Jam fans HEAR the music... and that is a big difference. You can actually spin it around. Some people hear music, and some people LISTEN to music.
    It's all in the "Ear of the beholder."

    All I know is, since 1990, there isnt a day that goes by where I offer my ears / heart /soul and mind to PEARL JAM. they Saved me, I owe it to them.

    A few years back, my cousin was depressed and was lost. He was into heavy metal, dark music and things like that. I am very close to him, and he talks to me, and pretty much only me. So I LISTENED to him, and I created a cd (ALL Pearl Jam) about what I thought would make him FEEL the music....

    It worked. He's now happily married. They are trying to have kids.... and the Beauty of it...he doesnt listen to anything but Pearl Jam now.
    I even spent $500each for 2 front row tickets this past PJ concert in Cleveland and took him..... as some songs we belted out live by the PJ gang, I looked over and saw tears at times coming from my cousins eyes.....

    That worked for me. I was able to get 1 person to be hooked, which means I KNOW I did 1 thing to change 1 persons life.... and I try all the time.

    Take care, be wise, and LISTEN.
    Listened since day one when "Ten" was released in 1991...and haven't stopped....
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    mgervace wrote:
    See thats what makes Pearl Jam songs so beautiful.... you hit it on the head. "How I hear it!"
    Some people listen to music, Pearl Jam fans HEAR the music... and that is a big difference. You can actually spin it around. Some people hear music, and some people LISTEN to music.
    It's all in the "Ear of the beholder."

    All I know is, since 1990, there isnt a day that goes by where I offer my ears / heart /soul and mind to PEARL JAM. they Saved me, I owe it to them.

    A few years back, my cousin was depressed and was lost. He was into heavy metal, dark music and things like that. I am very close to him, and he talks to me, and pretty much only me. So I LISTENED to him, and I created a cd (ALL Pearl Jam) about what I thought would make him FEEL the music....

    It worked. He's now happily married. They are trying to have kids.... and the Beauty of it...he doesnt listen to anything but Pearl Jam now.
    I even spent $500each for 2 front row tickets this past PJ concert in Cleveland and took him..... as some songs we belted out live by the PJ gang, I looked over and saw tears at times coming from my cousins eyes.....

    That worked for me. I was able to get 1 person to be hooked, which means I KNOW I did 1 thing to change 1 persons life.... and I try all the time.

    Take care, be wise, and LISTEN.

    Thank you mgervace. :) I think the beauty of PJ is that they are so worthy of LISTENING to. The more you listen the more you hear. And it changes over the years too, I think. BUT the BEST thing about PJ? Is absolutely how they make you FEEL. Like you at the concert with your cousin. You FELT amazing, your cousin FELT amazing and I'll bet that 99.9% of that room in Cleveland that night FELT amazing too!!! Every time I see PJ they lift me up, they elevate me, and not just them but the amazing people around me. Everybody is just so glad to be there and so happy to see everyone around them being happy!! It's one of the most amazing experiences ever! And when you get home and you put on a cd and you listen, you can hear and feel the whole thing just like you were there. Or like they were with you. :)
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Well not physical abuse, not as far as I can see, or hear. :)

    I think it's about a woman in a relationship with a man who stays out all night, and how she wants to tell him that it's not acceptable to her, wants him to know that she deserves better. But the apathy of the relationship has set in and she lacks the courage of her convictions to speak up. She's lying to herself that she loves him, because she's forgotten the girl she once was. She has to tell herself that she's in love with him in order to stay there.
    I think it's about not being able to find a betterman, but really it's about not being able to find the best woman that she can be. It's about a woman who has lost herself.

    Least that's how I hear it anyway. :)


    i was curious to read your opinion cause i was looking for some videos on youtube and i found the vh1 storytellers and eddie said that it's about abuse-actually that it's about his mom and his step-father. but the whole song is somekind of paradox and oksimoron...it's totally weird and absolute...i love it
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Strutter wrote:
    i was curious to read your opinion cause i was looking for some videos on youtube and i found the vh1 storytellers and eddie said that it's about abuse-actually that it's about his mom and his step-father. but the whole song is somekind of paradox and oksimoron...it's totally weird and absolute...i love it

    So he said it was about actual physical abuse? That's interesting because I never got that from it. I just figured the guy was a cheater and a drunk who stayed out all night. I knew it was about his mum and step dad but I thought the step dad saved his abuse for Ed and the other kids. I wasn't aware of the Mum copping it. BUT hey, what the hell would I know! :) I wasn't there right? Maybe I likened it to my own situation at the time too much. Superimposed the situations perhaps. It's interesting though because I was in an abusive relationship about 7 years ago and I would have played Betterman a bit more in defiance if I'd realized!!! :D I stuck to Tool's SOBER and PJ's Corduroy for that!! :) Nothing like telling the prick how you really feel in song!! Seems so unrelated to them somehow!! He never picked up that I was playing them so often so that he could hear what I really thought!! :D
    Yeah, the vh1 Storytellers is looking more and more interesting to me strutter, unfortunately I don't think we get it here. Well certainly not on free to air tv anyway, and I have dial up so I spend a lot of time staring longingly at the stuff on youtube but never actually being able to download it. :( Thanks for posting that little tit bit strutter and obviously I love Betterman too!! :D
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  • bookmuse wrote:
    It is amazing. I see how you may think it's bleak but I think the lady did leave the man eventually. It's like that in relationships that are bad or not just right. There is a time when one goes back and forth within their minds and question what they are feeling and what their choices and actions should be. At one time you loved this person, now you don't and it feels like shit. It's the life you built together and the heartache. It's hard to leave a relationship because relationships are multi-facetted. So, I see it as more a struggle within yourself to do what you know needs to be done but it's a very hard thing to do and relationships die over time. I think she gets out...not bleak to me...and because she experienced this she won't settle next time.

    WOW...that's exactly my story!! I heard this song a thousand times, and yet a friend pointed out (the first time she heard it) that it may mirror me. I listened a little closer, and geez....it was the same thing, right down to the dedication Ed gave at a show.... It was time to change my situation. I should have known I would have all the love and support around me I needed to do what I had to.
    So many PJ songs relate to so many..I guess we humans aren't that different at all.....
    And he still gives his love, he just gives it away
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
    And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky
    A human being that was given to fly
  • Jeanie wrote:
    So he said it was about actual physical abuse? That's interesting because I never got that from it. I just figured the guy was a cheater and a drunk who stayed out all night. I knew it was about his mum and step dad but I thought the step dad saved his abuse for Ed and the other kids. I wasn't aware of the Mum copping it. BUT hey, what the hell would I know! :) I wasn't there right? Maybe I likened it to my own situation at the time too much. Superimposed the situations perhaps. It's interesting though because I was in an abusive relationship about 7 years ago and I would have played Betterman a bit more in defiance if I'd realized!!! :D I stuck to Tool's SOBER and PJ's Corduroy for that!! :) Nothing like telling the prick how you really feel in song!! Seems so unrelated to them somehow!! He never picked up that I was playing them so often so that he could hear what I really thought!! :D
    Yeah, the vh1 Storytellers is looking more and more interesting to me strutter, unfortunately I don't think we get it here. Well certainly not on free to air tv anyway, and I have dial up so I spend a lot of time staring longingly at the stuff on youtube but never actually being able to download it. :( Thanks for posting that little tit bit strutter and obviously I love Betterman too!! :D

    i remember that it's about abuse-not sure physical or emotional-this clip isn't posted on youtube anymore :-(
  • bookmusebookmuse Posts: 277
    WOW...that's exactly my story!! I heard this song a thousand times, and yet a friend pointed out (the first time she heard it) that it may mirror me. I listened a little closer, and geez....it was the same thing, right down to the dedication Ed gave at a show.... It was time to change my situation. I should have known I would have all the love and support around me I needed to do what I had to.
    So many PJ songs relate to so many..I guess we humans aren't that different at all.....


    No we're not...Glad to hear you chose to change your situation :)
    "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Strutter wrote:
    i remember that it's about abuse-not sure physical or emotional-this clip isn't posted on youtube anymore :-(

    Damn!! That'd be right!! By the time I get broadband everything will be under copyright and I'll never see it!! :(
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Damn!! That'd be right!! By the time I get broadband everything will be under copyright and I'll never see it!! :(

    there are (in last two weeks) a lot of things under copyright...i lost about 25 clips...:-((
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Strutter wrote:
    there are (in last two weeks) a lot of things under copyright...i lost about 25 clips...:-((

    That completely sucks!! :( I knew it!! Murphy's Law!! By the time I get broadband there'll be nothing worth having! Damn!! :(
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    That completely sucks!! :( I knew it!! Murphy's Law!! By the time I get broadband there'll be nothing worth having! Damn!! :(

    there's a lot of pj clips from concerts...don't worry...:-)
    i lost some other very valuable clips
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Strutter wrote:
    there's a lot of pj clips from concerts...don't worry...:-)
    i lost some other very valuable clips

    Phew!! **Jeanie wipes brow and visiably relaxes** Well that's good to know! :)

    Shame you lost stuff though. :( Like what? Can you talk about it? ;)
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  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    I use the chorus of Betterman for my husband's ringtone on my cellphone, because really I CAN'T find a better man - I already have the best man there is...and I'm so very lucky...I almost cry everytime I really think about how lucky I am to have him (and he to have me)...

    anyway, I like the joyous ending to Betterman...life sucks sometimes, but sooner or later it will turn around...

    And like a lot of you here...Pearl Jam saved me, too. I got intensely into them when I did (2005, but I have always liked them) because that was what my soul needed at the time...and seeing them live...well, THAT changed my life!
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I use the chorus of Betterman for my husband's ringtone on my cellphone, because really I CAN'T find a better man - I already have the best man there is...and I'm so very lucky...I almost cry everytime I really think about how lucky I am to have him (and he to have me)...

    anyway, I like the joyous ending to Betterman...life sucks sometimes, but sooner or later it will turn around...

    And like a lot of you here...Pearl Jam saved me, too. I got intensely into them when I did (2005, but I have always liked them) because that was what my soul needed at the time...and seeing them live...well, THAT changed my life!

    It so does change your life doesn't it VF10? Betterman is THE best!! And seeing the boys live, being with everyone, the atmosphere, the love, it's like being lifted up and held, floating. One of THE best experiences you can ever had! And I'm lucky enough to have managed it more than once!! :D

    Hubby sounds lovely girl! Congratulations!! So good to find your soulmate. :)
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Phew!! **Jeanie wipes brow and visiably relaxes** Well that's good to know! :)

    Shame you lost stuff though. :( Like what? Can you talk about it? ;)
    KISS unplugged...like 10 clips and pj's vh1 storytellers :-(
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Strutter wrote:
    KISS unplugged...like 10 clips and pj's vh1 storytellers :-(


    NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Not Kiss unplugged!! :(

    Not PJ on vh1! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :(

    That's just plain wrong! Wrong I say!!!
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    On the subject of Betterman, it can only be about a battering relationship to me.
    "..........pretends to sleep as he looks her over" , definitely a defense posture,
    "..........she dreams in colour, she dreams in red", this has got to be her dreaming of killing him to escape, the red is his blood,
    "..........can't find a better man", classic disempowerment and total loss of self-esteem, typical in battering relationships.
    But, despite this, it is an amzing song with a rare power to move people, and if you don't listen to the lyrics closely it is very beautiful ,and a lot of people play it at weddings, apparently. Mind you they play Every Breath You Take too, which is another stalker/batterer song, remember, I'll be watching you !!!!
    Music is not a competetion.
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    On the subject of Betterman, it can only be about a battering relationship to me.
    "..........pretends to sleep as he looks her over" , definitely a defense posture,
    "..........she dreams in colour, she dreams in red", this has got to be her dreaming of killing him to escape, the red is his blood,
    "..........can't find a better man", classic disempowerment and total loss of self-esteem, typical in battering relationships.
    But, despite this, it is an amzing song with a rare power to move people, and if you don't listen to the lyrics closely it is very beautiful ,and a lot of people play it at weddings, apparently. Mind you they play Every Breath You Take too, which is another stalker/batterer song, remember, I'll be watching you !!!!

    You edited!! ;)

    Anyway, luce, I can see why you'd see it this way but I took from the opening lines:

    waiting, watching the clock, it's 4 o'clock, it's got to stop, tell him, take no more, she practices her speeches, he opens the door, she rolls over, pretends to sleep as he looks her over.......that this is NOT about a battered woman.
    Coz no battered woman I know is practicing to speak up.
    They know what will happen if they do.
    The whole song sounds like apathy to me. She's here but she still has bright colorful dreams.

    Anyway it's all interpretive, right? :)

    But I do agree about Every Breath! Which is why I've always preferred Message in A Bottle!!! :D
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

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    The currents will shift
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