Nashville RV Bomb

Gern Blansten · December 2020

It's amazing to me that almost immediately the internet sleuths are twisting this situation in right wing directions.

* It wasn't an RV bomb...it was a missile
* AT&T Bldg was targeted because the voting machines that proved fraud were in there

cincybearcat · December 2020

Is Bom “boom” or “bomb”?

I know just a typo just wondering which you meant

Gern Blansten · December 2020

lol...

Gern Blansten · December 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/27/us/anthony-quinn-warner-dead.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

The best summary I've seen so far. Hats off to the police....holy shit

Merkin Baller · December 2020

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

Gern Blansten · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

CM189191 · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/285959/white-privilege#latest

tbergs · December 2020

Domestic terrorism, plain and simple. Whether he gave a warning or not doesnt change the goal of the act. It wasn't just to kill himself, it was to cause harm to property and potentially others. Just because he played a warning message doesn't make it any less heinous. Seems like he got his ideas from 90's movies and real events. This has Speed, Oklahoma City and Unabomber influence all over it. What a sick fuck.

Merkin Baller · December 2020

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

gimmesometruth27 · December 2020

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

brianlux · December 2020

gimmesometruth27 said:

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

If he gave warnings to clear the area and only intended to harm himself and destroy equipment, would this not be more accurately described as suicidal sabotage?

gimmesometruth27 · December 2020

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

If he gave warnings to clear the area and only intended to harm himself and destroy equipment, would this not be more accurately described as suicidal sabotage?

since he targeted a business would he be a suicide vandal?

i don't know. all i know is this whole situation is messed up.

Merkin Baller · December 2020

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

If he gave warnings to clear the area and only intended to harm himself and destroy equipment, would this not be more accurately described as suicidal sabotage?

Here's a definition of terrorism from the FBI:

"There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)."

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005#:~:text=Terrorism is defined in the,or social objectives” (28 C.F.R.

Granted, we don't know what social or political objectives this person looked to further, but again... I've never heard of a suicide bomber that wasn't a terrorist.

Poncier · December 2020

He's a terrorist.
If all he wanted to do was kill himself he could have done that in the privacy of his own home.

brianlux · December 2020

gimmesometruth27 said:

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

If he gave warnings to clear the area and only intended to harm himself and destroy equipment, would this not be more accurately described as suicidal sabotage?

since he targeted a business would he be a suicide vandal?

i don't know. all i know is this whole situation is messed up.

It is messed up, for sure! I wound not want to have been living anywhere near that sort of thing.

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

If he gave warnings to clear the area and only intended to harm himself and destroy equipment, would this not be more accurately described as suicidal sabotage?

Here's a definition of terrorism from the FBI:

"There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)."

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005#:~:text=Terrorism is defined in the,or social objectives” (28 C.F.R.

Granted, we don't know what social or political objectives this person looked to further, but again... I've never heard of a suicide bomber that wasn't a terrorist.

That's what seems unusual about this incident. I don't ever remember a suicide bomber not intending to do harm to other people.

I'm curious about why it is that some people were harmed when they had an hour to clear the area. Did some people not take the warning seriously?

Merkin Baller · December 2020

https://stoehr.substack.com/p/terrorism-in-plain-sight

F Me In The Brain · December 2020

Poncier said:

He's a terrorist.
If all he wanted to do was kill himself he could have done that in the privacy of his own home.

This.

Just because this fucking weirdo had an announcement going to try and clear everyone away does not stop it from being an act of terror.

Also....Downtown? Just sayin'...but that is an act of terror on its own.

OnWis97 · December 2020

gimmesometruth27 said:

media is framing this guy as a nice, quiet, misunderstood white guy.

he was a domestic terrorist. the media needs to say it. the president needs to say it.

Media (and all of us) has been called out on the whole "white guy = mentally ill lone wolf" thing for years now and they just can't seem to change their tune.

Gern Blansten · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

F Me In The Brain · December 2020

The Downtown Dumbass?

tempo_n_groove · December 2020

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

I remember Obama getting a lot of shit for not labeling things right away too.

hedonist · December 2020

F Me In The Brain said:

Poncier said:

He's a terrorist.
If all he wanted to do was kill himself he could have done that in the privacy of his own home.

This.

Just because this fucking weirdo had an announcement going to try and clear everyone away does not stop it from being an act of terror.

Also....Downtown? Just sayin'...but that is an act of terror on its own.

And this, too.

Merkin Baller · December 2020

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

I don’t get it... you guessed the guy is a trump supporter (which is your prerogative) but won’t apply the terrorism label... I would argue there’s more evidence that this was an act of terror than there’s evidence that this person is a trump supporter.

& if he IS a Trump supporter, wouldn’t that lean more towards this being an act of domestic terror than not, all things considered?

I don’t have the answers, but all signs point to this as an alleged act of terror.

If you’re inferring outrage from my posts, you’re misreading them; I genuinely don’t understand the reluctance to call this what it looks like.

Gern Blansten · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

I don’t get it... you guessed the guy is a trump supporter (which is your prerogative) but won’t apply the terrorism label... I would argue there’s more evidence that this was an act of terror than there’s evidence that this person is a trump supporter.

& if he IS a Trump supporter, wouldn’t that lean more towards this being an act of domestic terror than not, all things considered?

I don’t have the answers, but all signs point to this as an alleged act of terror.

If you’re inferring outrage from my posts, you’re misreading them; I genuinely don’t understand the reluctance to call this what it looks like.

No not your posts....I was initially referring to what I was seeing in my FB and twitter feeds.

I don't have a problem with calling him a terrorist, etc., I just don't see why it is so important that he be labeled as such in order to diffuse outrage from some people.

I'm probably not being very clear but I wonder if tRump hasn't commented about him because they know he was a tRump supporter.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

the only reason things need a label is so the media knows which narrative to go with to then extrapolate the proper dramatic sequence.

so far, we know he was a jerk with a bomb who called police to the area, and warned people in the area to evacuate.

and the usual information about a white guy who was nice and professional and quiet. all the usual boxes ticked when it's a white dude. all we need now is how he had a legitimate reason for hating the world, and what a tragic ending it was.

doesn't an act of terror need to have a motive of inciting terror to be labelled as such? maybe it's splitting hairs, but i think there is a distinction, no?

and @Gern Blansten, how do you make the leap to" trump supporter in a big way"?

Merkin Baller · December 2020

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

I don’t get it... you guessed the guy is a trump supporter (which is your prerogative) but won’t apply the terrorism label... I would argue there’s more evidence that this was an act of terror than there’s evidence that this person is a trump supporter.

& if he IS a Trump supporter, wouldn’t that lean more towards this being an act of domestic terror than not, all things considered?

I don’t have the answers, but all signs point to this as an alleged act of terror.

If you’re inferring outrage from my posts, you’re misreading them; I genuinely don’t understand the reluctance to call this what it looks like.

No not your posts....I was initially referring to what I was seeing in my FB and twitter feeds.

I don't have a problem with calling him a terrorist, etc., I just don't see why it is so important that he be labeled as such in order to diffuse outrage from some people.

I'm probably not being very clear but I wonder if tRump hasn't commented about him because they know he was a tRump supporter.

For what it’s worth, I agree about him likely being a trump supporter; & like w/ the proud boys, david duke etc, I think trump will do everything he can to not disavow the attack.

In response to why people care about the label... there does seem to be a reluctance to apply the term to white Americans, but if for example the prime suspect was an American Muslim, does anyone doubt this would have had the terrorism label applied to it right away?

Gern Blansten · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

the only reason things need a label is so the media knows which narrative to go with to then extrapolate the proper dramatic sequence.

so far, we know he was a jerk with a bomb who called police to the area, and warned people in the area to evacuate.

and the usual information about a white guy who was nice and professional and quiet. all the usual boxes ticked when it's a white dude. all we need now is how he had a legitimate reason for hating the world, and what a tragic ending it was.

doesn't an act of terror need to have a motive of inciting terror to be labelled as such? maybe it's splitting hairs, but i think there is a distinction, no?

and @Gern Blansten, how do you make the leap to" trump supporter in a big way"?

I can feel it in my plums

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

I don’t get it... you guessed the guy is a trump supporter (which is your prerogative) but won’t apply the terrorism label... I would argue there’s more evidence that this was an act of terror than there’s evidence that this person is a trump supporter.

& if he IS a Trump supporter, wouldn’t that lean more towards this being an act of domestic terror than not, all things considered?

I don’t have the answers, but all signs point to this as an alleged act of terror.

If you’re inferring outrage from my posts, you’re misreading them; I genuinely don’t understand the reluctance to call this what it looks like.

No not your posts....I was initially referring to what I was seeing in my FB and twitter feeds.

I don't have a problem with calling him a terrorist, etc., I just don't see why it is so important that he be labeled as such in order to diffuse outrage from some people.

I'm probably not being very clear but I wonder if tRump hasn't commented about him because they know he was a tRump supporter.

For what it’s worth, I agree about him likely being a trump supporter; & like w/ the proud boys, david duke etc, I think trump will do everything he can to not disavow the attack.

In response to why people care about the label... there does seem to be a reluctance to apply the term to white Americans, but if for example the prime suspect was an American Muslim, does anyone doubt this would have had the terrorism label applied to it right away?

instantly. with his passport photo accompanying every news segment on it.

Gern Blansten · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

I don't understand the reluctance to use the term terrorism in the media.

I understand the motives may still be unclear, but isn't that why we have and use terms like 'suspected' and / or 'alleged'?

I get it but "Suicide Bombers" and "Terrorists" don't generally warn everyone to clear the area first.

It's an odd situation for sure. This guy gave everything away and apparently targeted the AT&T bldg.

My guess is that he is a tRump supporter in a big way.

Why are you using quotes for suicide bomber? Do signs not currently point to this being a suicide bombing?

Granted, we need more facts to know the whole story, but all signs from the get go suggest this was domestic terrorism.

I don't understand the reluctance to use these terms... again, it's why we have words like 'alleged' or 'suspected'.

Not to mention, I've never heard of a suicide bomber who wasn't a terrorist.

I was just referring to giving the guy an actual title. It seems like there is a lot of outrage for not labeling him as of yet.

I get it....I'm just not outraged by the lack of a label yet.

I don’t get it... you guessed the guy is a trump supporter (which is your prerogative) but won’t apply the terrorism label... I would argue there’s more evidence that this was an act of terror than there’s evidence that this person is a trump supporter.

& if he IS a Trump supporter, wouldn’t that lean more towards this being an act of domestic terror than not, all things considered?

I don’t have the answers, but all signs point to this as an alleged act of terror.

If you’re inferring outrage from my posts, you’re misreading them; I genuinely don’t understand the reluctance to call this what it looks like.

No not your posts....I was initially referring to what I was seeing in my FB and twitter feeds.

I don't have a problem with calling him a terrorist, etc., I just don't see why it is so important that he be labeled as such in order to diffuse outrage from some people.

I'm probably not being very clear but I wonder if tRump hasn't commented about him because they know he was a tRump supporter.

For what it’s worth, I agree about him likely being a trump supporter; & like w/ the proud boys, david duke etc, I think trump will do everything he can to not disavow the attack.

In response to why people care about the label... there does seem to be a reluctance to apply the term to white Americans, but if for example the prime suspect was an American Muslim, does anyone doubt this would have had the terrorism label applied to it right away?

instantly. with his passport photo accompanying every news segment on it.

I can't disagree with that. And tRump would be all over it.

Merkin Baller · December 2020

Gern Blansten · December 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBgm62C0q-w&t=5s

Crazy shit....the police walked right by the RV just a few minutes before it blew.

Insane

Nashville RV Bomb

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