The Fight for the Soul of Seattle Doc ...

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  • 09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN;

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  • CM189191 said:
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 



    It's not for lack of opinion.  It's just hard to take you seriously when you use words like Shitties and push propaganda from Sinclair Broadcasting.
    I didn't even take the time to see who owned KOMO.  Good find...anything from Sinclair is bullshit
    sinclair is a real problem though. they buy up a lot of small tv stations and those stations are forced to show right wing propaganda shows from people like boris epshteyn (sp?) so of course these rural communities are going to be indoctrinated over time.
    Agreed...I think we are at a strange point in our history where we have to put limits on the 1st amendment. We can't rely on the public to be smart enough to filter the bullshit out. And we can't rely on advertisers to keep away because there are enough idiots and enough dark money to sustain that bullshit.
    Hold it, hold it, stop.  Just stop it.  The left runs the news stations.  Don't even try to come at this angle.  Stop making sense.

    I will say this, if you have been to Seattle over the years and see it now it is a much different place and I won't say for the better.
    the left does not run LOCAL news stations. that is the issue, because many rural areas do not have cable news.

    watch this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc
    Missed my sarcasm huh?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
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  • Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    I would argue that the silence from the right in addressing the attack on our democracy and election integrity is far more concerning than the silence about anything that's currently happening in any one American city. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    I would argue that the silence from the right in addressing the attack on our democracy and election integrity is far more concerning than the silence about anything that's currently happening in any one American city. 
    You would be correct.
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    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    I would argue that the silence from the right in addressing the attack on our democracy and election integrity is far more concerning than the silence about anything that's currently happening in any one American city. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    I'm still waiting on that disease-ridden caravan. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • Don't know. 2020 is lower than 2019 but higher than 2018. I don't recall anyone screaming about saving Seattle's soul back in 2019. It could be the 100 extra officers the new chief put out on the street. It could be the stimulus. It could be promise of police and other reforms or a combination of things, like it usually is to contributors to crime rates and solutions to crime rates.

    What I find interesting is that there are probably 50+ other US cities with higher crime rates than Seattle's but nobody is screaming that they have lost their soul or have fallen. Why is that? Hint: 2 reasons and one begins with C and the other with A.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,130
    I'm still waiting on that disease-ridden caravan. 
    i thought the halfass built wall stopped that?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    I'm still waiting on that disease-ridden caravan. 
    i thought the halfass built wall stopped that?
    must have been that. those picket fences sure do know how to stop a raging mob. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • Come on man......that cannot possibly be a reason during a pandemic. 
  • Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
    edited December 2020
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    LMAO
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • Come on man......that cannot possibly be a reason during a pandemic. 
    Except for shootings and killings but who's differentiating, right? I mean crime is crime, up is down and down is up. And gun crime always gets a pass, unless its in shitties.

    Crime Has Declined Overall During The Pandemic, But Shootings And Killings Are Up : NPR

    Even though the numbers are tragic, Abrams says it's difficult to determine any trend in murder or other crimes over a short time span. He says for a more accurate statistical count it takes comparing what takes place from year to year over a longer period of time.

    "When you look at the homicide data and compare it to levels over the past five years," he says, "we didn't see any significant impact because of the pandemic."

    Even so, University of Chicago professor Jens Ludwig, the head of the university's Crime Lab, says it's a big puzzle why shootings and murders haven't dropped while other crimes have.

    "Murders make up far less than 1% of the crimes in these cities," Ludwig says, "but murder is so damaging to families and communities, and I don't think we have a great understanding of why they haven't declined."

    The pandemic seems to be driving a lot of the reduction in crime, including home burglaries. But in commercial spaces, there's been a bump in burglaries, up by almost 30% on average across the cities examined.

    Abrams says there was also a dramatic jump in car theft in Philadelphia, with increases as well in Denver, Los Angeles and Austin, Texas. Baltimore was the only city that saw a substantial decline.

    The interesting thing is, if you look at Seattle's crime data for the period from May 25th, the date of George Floyd's murder to the establishment of CHOP on June 8th and after, crime fell, and it fell precipitously, before picking back up from September 11th through October 19th, and falling again. Prior to the stay at home order issued on March 23rd, Seattle's crime rate was basically below the baseline average for the period 2015-2019. The first known case of Covid in Washington State was January 21st. From the link in the above NPR article link:

    City Crime Stats

    Yea, but Seattle has fallen and its soul needs to be saved. See? Black and white, simple.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Since Joe won it is now Happy Holidays.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,130
    dignin said:
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Since Joe won it is now Happy Holidays.
    i didn't think the war on christmas resumes until black friday 2021?

    who knows anymore?
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  • dignin said:
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Since Joe won it is now Happy Holidays.
    i didn't think the war on christmas resumes until black friday 2021?

    who knows anymore?
    According to Trump, Biden is leading a war on God, not just Christmas. 

    Is nothing sacred anymore? 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-says-biden-will-hurt-god-such-2020-posturing-really-ncna1236298
  • Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Why are you asking me to do that?  I assume you are making assumptions and systemically placing me in the cancel category cause I do not adhere to the party lines of this all accepting moving train.  Bullying goes both ways believe it or not.  But hey, if it makes some of you feel good to try to embarrass or be funny at the Expense of a  paying customer to a rock n roll website, have at it.  Not that it should matter, but I did not vote for our Current President .  
    Merry Xmas 
  • Come on man......that cannot possibly be a reason during a pandemic. 
    Except for shootings and killings but who's differentiating, right? I mean crime is crime, up is down and down is up. And gun crime always gets a pass, unless its in shitties.

    Crime Has Declined Overall During The Pandemic, But Shootings And Killings Are Up : NPR

    Even though the numbers are tragic, Abrams says it's difficult to determine any trend in murder or other crimes over a short time span. He says for a more accurate statistical count it takes comparing what takes place from year to year over a longer period of time.

    "When you look at the homicide data and compare it to levels over the past five years," he says, "we didn't see any significant impact because of the pandemic."

    Even so, University of Chicago professor Jens Ludwig, the head of the university's Crime Lab, says it's a big puzzle why shootings and murders haven't dropped while other crimes have.

    "Murders make up far less than 1% of the crimes in these cities," Ludwig says, "but murder is so damaging to families and communities, and I don't think we have a great understanding of why they haven't declined."

    The pandemic seems to be driving a lot of the reduction in crime, including home burglaries. But in commercial spaces, there's been a bump in burglaries, up by almost 30% on average across the cities examined.

    Abrams says there was also a dramatic jump in car theft in Philadelphia, with increases as well in Denver, Los Angeles and Austin, Texas. Baltimore was the only city that saw a substantial decline.

    The interesting thing is, if you look at Seattle's crime data for the period from May 25th, the date of George Floyd's murder to the establishment of CHOP on June 8th and after, crime fell, and it fell precipitously, before picking back up from September 11th through October 19th, and falling again. Prior to the stay at home order issued on March 23rd, Seattle's crime rate was basically below the baseline average for the period 2015-2019. The first known case of Covid in Washington State was January 21st. From the link in the above NPR article link:

    City Crime Stats

    Yea, but Seattle has fallen and its soul needs to be saved. See? Black and white, simple.

    Crime dipping during that time can be traced to cops not arresting people.  Wasn’t there a stand down approach during those dates?

    The shootings going up happened in NYC too.  No real good explanation.  I figured cops started writing more reports so they would look like there is a need for more policing but that can’t be proven.

    The uptick in burglaries during that time makes sense too.  Empty stores are easier targets and if you have people desperate.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,814
    dignin said:
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Since Joe won it is now Happy Holidays.

    And even that was a compromise.  He was originally going to make it Happy Kwanza.
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  • OnWis97 said:
    dignin said:
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Since Joe won it is now Happy Holidays.

    And even that was a compromise.  He was originally going to make it Happy Kwanza.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Why are you asking me to do that?  I assume you are making assumptions and systemically placing me in the cancel category cause I do not adhere to the party lines of this all accepting moving train.  Bullying goes both ways believe it or not.  But hey, if it makes some of you feel good to try to embarrass or be funny at the Expense of a  paying customer to a rock n roll website, have at it.  Not that it should matter, but I did not vote for our Current President .  
    Merry Xmas 
    You think I am bullying you, sweetheart? Really? It was a simple question that a vast majority of Trump supporters are answering incorrectly these days. So as someone who has defended him over the years, naturally I assumed you voted for him. Glad you didn't (taking you at face value here). Congratulations.

    But, jeez lady, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Merry Christmas!


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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Why are you asking me to do that?  I assume you are making assumptions and systemically placing me in the cancel category cause I do not adhere to the party lines of this all accepting moving train.  Bullying goes both ways believe it or not.  But hey, if it makes some of you feel good to try to embarrass or be funny at the Expense of a  paying customer to a rock n roll website, have at it.  Not that it should matter, but I did not vote for our Current President .  
    Merry Xmas 
    You think I am bullying you, sweetheart? Really? It was a simple question that a vast majority of Trump supporters are answering incorrectly these days. So as someone who has defended him over the years, naturally I assumed you voted for him. Glad you didn't (taking you at face value here). Congratulations.

    But, jeez lady, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Merry Christmas!


    Keep this up and I'm going to revoke your communist membership.
  • Come on man......that cannot possibly be a reason during a pandemic. 
    Except for shootings and killings but who's differentiating, right? I mean crime is crime, up is down and down is up. And gun crime always gets a pass, unless its in shitties.

    Crime Has Declined Overall During The Pandemic, But Shootings And Killings Are Up : NPR

    Even though the numbers are tragic, Abrams says it's difficult to determine any trend in murder or other crimes over a short time span. He says for a more accurate statistical count it takes comparing what takes place from year to year over a longer period of time.

    "When you look at the homicide data and compare it to levels over the past five years," he says, "we didn't see any significant impact because of the pandemic."

    Even so, University of Chicago professor Jens Ludwig, the head of the university's Crime Lab, says it's a big puzzle why shootings and murders haven't dropped while other crimes have.

    "Murders make up far less than 1% of the crimes in these cities," Ludwig says, "but murder is so damaging to families and communities, and I don't think we have a great understanding of why they haven't declined."

    The pandemic seems to be driving a lot of the reduction in crime, including home burglaries. But in commercial spaces, there's been a bump in burglaries, up by almost 30% on average across the cities examined.

    Abrams says there was also a dramatic jump in car theft in Philadelphia, with increases as well in Denver, Los Angeles and Austin, Texas. Baltimore was the only city that saw a substantial decline.

    The interesting thing is, if you look at Seattle's crime data for the period from May 25th, the date of George Floyd's murder to the establishment of CHOP on June 8th and after, crime fell, and it fell precipitously, before picking back up from September 11th through October 19th, and falling again. Prior to the stay at home order issued on March 23rd, Seattle's crime rate was basically below the baseline average for the period 2015-2019. The first known case of Covid in Washington State was January 21st. From the link in the above NPR article link:

    City Crime Stats

    Yea, but Seattle has fallen and its soul needs to be saved. See? Black and white, simple.

    Crime dipping during that time can be traced to cops not arresting people.  Wasn’t there a stand down approach during those dates?

    The shootings going up happened in NYC too.  No real good explanation.  I figured cops started writing more reports so they would look like there is a need for more policing but that can’t be proven.

    The uptick in burglaries during that time makes sense too.  Empty stores are easier targets and if you have people desperate.
    Shootings and murders were up in all the cities in the comparison. I think I saw something that compared crime statistics, arrests or reports, and compared them to 911 calls (you don't think people stopped calling 911, do you?). I think it said there was no discernable difference between the categories and that they correlated. I'll see if I can find it.

    My larger point is that Seattle is being chosen as the example of having fallen or needing its soul saved when there are many other cities, some in red states with repub administrations, where the crime rates are much higher, and that Seattle's rate in 2019 was higher than 2018 but there was not a peep about "fallen or needing its soul saved." Again, I'll give two hints and they begin with C and A, respectively. Seattle's stay at home order was issued in March and as far as I know, never entered a true "lock down." Regardless, as the article mentions, some crimes went up and some went down across all of the cities, not just in Seattle. Did those cities fall? Need their souls saved?

    Crimes, and the reasons for them and their rates going up and/or down, are multi-faceted and usually are not influenced by one factor, such as a pandemic. It takes data over years to determine whether the pandemic was solely or partly responsible for the decrease/increase in crime rates, as the article stated. But if I point this out and disagree, I'm a bully, according to the OP.
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  • Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Why are you asking me to do that?  I assume you are making assumptions and systemically placing me in the cancel category cause I do not adhere to the party lines of this all accepting moving train.  Bullying goes both ways believe it or not.  But hey, if it makes some of you feel good to try to embarrass or be funny at the Expense of a  paying customer to a rock n roll website, have at it.  Not that it should matter, but I did not vote for our Current President .  
    Merry Xmas 
    You think I am bullying you, sweetheart? Really? It was a simple question that a vast majority of Trump supporters are answering incorrectly these days. So as someone who has defended him over the years, naturally I assumed you voted for him. Glad you didn't (taking you at face value here). Congratulations.

    But, jeez lady, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Merry Christmas!


    The sweetheart line was a little pandering...
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    Apparently nobody has a opinion about this other then making a joke about it , I should have known better.  The silence about addressing this shocking transition to many of our Shitties says it all.   Merry Xmas y’all 


    Hi @lindamarie73 !
    Who won the election? Genuinely curious as to your answer. Please advise. 
    Joe Biden won, why are you asking me this?? 
    Good for you! Would you mind trying to get word of this to Trump, please? 

    Thank you. Merry Christmas.
    Why are you asking me to do that?  I assume you are making assumptions and systemically placing me in the cancel category cause I do not adhere to the party lines of this all accepting moving train.  Bullying goes both ways believe it or not.  But hey, if it makes some of you feel good to try to embarrass or be funny at the Expense of a  paying customer to a rock n roll website, have at it.  Not that it should matter, but I did not vote for our Current President .  
    Merry Xmas 
    You think I am bullying you, sweetheart? Really? It was a simple question that a vast majority of Trump supporters are answering incorrectly these days. So as someone who has defended him over the years, naturally I assumed you voted for him. Glad you didn't (taking you at face value here). Congratulations.

    But, jeez lady, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Merry Christmas!


    The sweetheart line was a little pandering...
    You got a problem with that, sweet cheeks?
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