The 1st US pressing was 1994. The European pressing was 1992. So between the Spain, Greece and Brazil 1991 presses, which one actually came out first? Or were all of those 3 released on the same date and considered 1st pressing?
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Id be wary of buying a so called 94 1st US pressing especially for hundreds. Im sure it was pressed more than once in the US between 94 and 2002 as there was still plenty of sealed copies going for about $9.99 in 2002, same with Vs but last time I looked there was nothing to mention this on discogs. Same catalogue numbers etc.
The catalog # Z 47857 tells you it’s the original 94 US press. All subsequent reissues have different catalog numbers. Simply Vinyl (European company) reissued it in 1999, so that might be the ones you saw in the early 2000s, or there may have been some originals still sealed hanging around, who knows.
Id be wary of buying a so called 94 1st US pressing especially for hundreds. Im sure it was pressed more than once in the US between 94 and 2002 as there was still plenty of sealed copies going for about $9.99 in 2002, same with Vs but last time I looked there was nothing to mention this on discogs. Same catalogue numbers etc.
Don't pay a premium for an out of print copy because 18 years ago it could have been had for 10 dollars?
Id be wary of buying a so called 94 1st US pressing especially for hundreds. Im sure it was pressed more than once in the US between 94 and 2002 as there was still plenty of sealed copies going for about $9.99 in 2002, same with Vs but last time I looked there was nothing to mention this on discogs. Same catalogue numbers etc.
Don't pay a premium for an out of print copy because 18 years ago it could have been had for 10 dollars?
No, what Im saying is that there were still so many copies around in 2002 (price was just for reference) that copies that may look like a 94 pressing may in fact have been manufactured as late as 2002. Now maybe they sound the same, maybe from the same stampers but people pay will pay premium for it being a 1st 94 pressing not just because of the sound. Discogs doesnt always have details if it was repressed with the same catalogue.
There are no reissues that use the original stampers. Like I said earlier, the ones that you saw in the early 2000s, were probably the Simply Vinyl reissues. Especially , if you are located in Europe.
The catalog # Z 47857 tells you it’s the original 94 US press. All subsequent reissues have different catalog numbers. Simply Vinyl (European company) reissued it in 1999, so that might be the ones you saw in the early 2000s, or there may have been some originals still sealed hanging around, who knows.
I already had the UK pic disc Ten in my collection but then bought a US sealed copy of Ten around 2002. It has the catalog number you mention above but for some reason it just didnt seem to ring true as an 8 yr old record at that time. I'll have to dig it out. Still got the shrinkwrap as well.
So the point I was trying to make is that the 90s until the early 2000s it is a bit of an unknown period for vinyl pressing. Discogs doesnt always have the full story. Ive bought records in the 90s that were definitely not the release day first pressing yet discogs shows no reissue until years after I bought. Discogs says no copies of Radioheads Pablo honey were pressed between 1993 and 2008 and yet I bought a reissue in the early 2000s. Even though vinyl was in decline I just dont believe copies were sitting around for 10 years.
So the point I was trying to make is that the 90s until the early 2000s it is a bit of an unknown period for vinyl pressing. Discogs doesnt always have the full story. Ive bought records in the 90s that were definitely not the release day first pressing yet discogs shows no reissue until years after I bought. Discogs says no copies of Radioheads Pablo honey were pressed between 1993 and 2008 and yet I bought a reissue in the early 2000s. Even though vinyl was in decline I just dont believe copies were sitting around for 10 years.
What did you buy in the 90s that were definitely not release day 1st pressings?
A picture of your US pressing and the runout information would confirm if it's a 1st pressing. I'm sure an album as popular as TEN was, there was prolly a crazy amount pressed at the time. There are a few cuts that I have, would have to do a lot of hunting to find out how many stampers were used.
You should probably add your copy of Pablo Honey to Discogs. Discogs is an ever growing database, I collect vintage CD pressings, and have added lots to the database that wasn't in the system. So your correct in saying that Discogs is incomplete.
Original pressing refers to the lacquers used to create the vinyl as opposed to the production run.
The label could have used the lacquers for several production runs and for several years. Each of those runs would still be considered an original pressing of the album regardless if it was 1994 or 2002.
Considering it was one of the biggest albums of the 90's it would make sense that the original pressing was used for several years.
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I’m in way over my head here. Can someone offer some advice as to which vinyl copy of ten I have? It was gifted to me in the 90s but don’t know anything else beyond that 🤪
It’s marked AL-47857-2B-REV 1-1 on side A.
Thank you!
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I’m in way over my head here. Can someone offer some advice as to which vinyl copy of ten I have? It was gifted to me in the 90s but don’t know anything else beyond that 🤪
It’s marked AL-47857-2B-REV 1-1 on side A.
Thank you!
Thats an original Do you have a 2A or 2B cut for side B?
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Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,943
I’m in way over my head here. Can someone offer some advice as to which vinyl copy of ten I have? It was gifted to me in the 90s but don’t know anything else beyond that 🤪
It’s marked AL-47857-2B-REV 1-1 on side A.
Thank you!
Thats an original Do you have a 2A or 2B cut for side B?
They really make it tough to read those numbers?!??
Side B is BL-47857-2A-REV
Much thanks Medozk 🙏🏻
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
I’m in way over my head here. Can someone offer some advice as to which vinyl copy of ten I have? It was gifted to me in the 90s but don’t know anything else beyond that 🤪
It’s marked AL-47857-2B-REV 1-1 on side A.
Thank you!
Thats an original Do you have a 2A or 2B cut for side B?
They really make it tough to read those numbers?!??
The 1st US pressing was 1994. The European pressing was 1992. So between the Spain, Greece and Brazil 1991 presses, which one actually came out first? Or were all of those 3 released on the same date and considered 1st pressing?
We all know the first US pressing was 1994, but when I posted the original question above, I was hoping for knowledge on which 1991 pressing (Spain, Greece, Brazil) is considered the first pressing overall, or if all 3 are first.
The 1st US pressing was 1994. The European pressing was 1992. So between the Spain, Greece and Brazil 1991 presses, which one actually came out first? Or were all of those 3 released on the same date and considered 1st pressing?
We all know the first US pressing was 1994, but when I posted the original question above, I was hoping for knowledge on which 1991 pressing (Spain, Greece, Brazil) is considered the first pressing overall, or if all 3 are first.
If they are from different pressing plants, then they might as well all be considered "first". First really means an original set of stampers. Different countries/pressing plants can all have their own stampers. You don't usually talk about first pressings without including the country of origin.
The 1st US pressing was 1994. The European pressing was 1992. So between the Spain, Greece and Brazil 1991 presses, which one actually came out first? Or were all of those 3 released on the same date and considered 1st pressing?
We all know the first US pressing was 1994, but when I posted the original question above, I was hoping for knowledge on which 1991 pressing (Spain, Greece, Brazil) is considered the first pressing overall, or if all 3 are first.
Yea, I would consider them all the respective "1st pressings" for their country. Like you have the 91 UK, and the 92 Korean.
Original pressing refers to the lacquers used to create the vinyl as opposed to the production run.
The label could have used the lacquers for several production runs and for several years. Each of those runs would still be considered an original pressing of the album regardless if it was 1994 or 2002.
Considering it was one of the biggest albums of the 90's it would make sense that the original pressing was used for several years.
The terminology of 1st Pressing and original pressing is a bit of a minefield. Lots of different opinions out there. I guess Ive always considered a 1st pressing to be the first batch off the presses (in that country) and be commercially released to the public.
So by that logic you could then have 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc pressings from the same lacquers years laters. A repress. Sleeve material, inner, promo sticker whatever etc might not even be identical. Sound quality aside I think people often pay big bucks for records described as 1st pressings because they believe it was the very first time it came out on vinyl (in that country). If you went to the shop on the day it was released thats what you'd get.
Does anyone want a discussion on repress or reissue Ha ha. I think I referred to my 2000s Pablo Honey as a reissue whereas it could well just have been a repress. I dont have it anymore to check the details. I sold it years back just detailing the catalogue and matrices as I had no idea of when it was manufactured but I was of the opinion it was manufactured due to demand after OK computer etc.
I bought one from ebay like somewhere 05-07 when Ten was the only vinyl one could find pretty much for a "normal price". Wonder if that is the simply vinyl version then...
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I bought one from ebay like somewhere 05-07 when Ten was the only vinyl one could find pretty much for a "normal price". Wonder if that is the simply vinyl version then...
Does anyone want a discussion on repress or reissue Ha ha. I think I referred to my 2000s Pablo Honey as a reissue whereas it could well just have been a repress. I dont have it anymore to check the details. I sold it years back just detailing the catalogue and matrices as I had no idea of when it was manufactured but I was of the opinion it was manufactured due to demand after OK computer etc.
Yea, you have to do your homework to recognize a repress from reissue. Most average consumers have no idea.
Original pressing refers to the lacquers used to create the vinyl as opposed to the production run.
The label could have used the lacquers for several production runs and for several years. Each of those runs would still be considered an original pressing of the album regardless if it was 1994 or 2002.
Considering it was one of the biggest albums of the 90's it would make sense that the original pressing was used for several years.
The terminology of 1st Pressing and original pressing is a bit of a minefield. Lots of different opinions out there. I guess Ive always considered a 1st pressing to be the first batch off the presses (in that country) and be commercially released to the public.
So by that logic you could then have 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc pressings from the same lacquers years laters. A repress. Sleeve material, inner, promo sticker whatever etc might not even be identical. Sound quality aside I think people often pay big bucks for records described as 1st pressings because they believe it was the very first time it came out on vinyl (in that country). If you went to the shop on the day it was released thats what you'd get.
Does anyone want a discussion on repress or reissue Ha ha. I think I referred to my 2000s Pablo Honey as a reissue whereas it could well just have been a repress. I dont have it anymore to check the details. I sold it years back just detailing the catalogue and matrices as I had no idea of when it was manufactured but I was of the opinion it was manufactured due to demand after OK computer etc.
Yes you're right, you could. But the quality of those subsequent pressings would deteriorate quickly is they're trying to do large runs with the same stamper. One of the reasons AP records are so desirable is that they typically limit the pressing to 1000 copies and then the stamper is done.
What’s the going rate on the 94 US version? I have one from way back but never listened to it. Jacket is a little nicked up.
It’s gotten out of control over the past year. I’ve seen them go for as high as $400. For a while a sealed copy was going for $175-$200.
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thanks for the info. I was thinking like $100. That’s crazy.
I've seen plenty of VG+ versions sell for around $200 on discogs. There is one up there now for $175. So some people do go nuts on ebay, especially for a truly mint item, but I wouldn't pay more than $200 for an unsealed copy.
Overall prices for collectibles seem to have skyrocketed since covid. I've seen a lot of the higher demand Pearl Jam posters selling now for almost double what they sold for early this year. Rare records are doing the same.
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copy was going for $175-$200.
thanks for the info. I was thinking like $100. That’s crazy.
A picture of your US pressing and the runout information would confirm if it's a 1st pressing. I'm sure an album as popular as TEN was, there was prolly a crazy amount pressed at the time. There are a few cuts that I have, would have to do a lot of hunting to find out how many stampers were used.
You should probably add your copy of Pablo Honey to Discogs. Discogs is an ever growing database, I collect vintage CD pressings, and have added lots to the database that wasn't in the system. So your correct in saying that Discogs is incomplete.
The label could have used the lacquers for several production runs and for several years. Each of those runs would still be considered an original pressing of the album regardless if it was 1994 or 2002.
Considering it was one of the biggest albums of the 90's it would make sense that the original pressing was used for several years.
It’s marked AL-47857-2B-REV 1-1 on side A.
Do you have a 2A or 2B cut for side B?
Side B is BL-47857-2A-REV
Much thanks Medozk 🙏🏻
So by that logic you could then have 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc pressings from the same lacquers years laters. A repress. Sleeve material, inner, promo sticker whatever etc might not even be identical. Sound quality aside I think people often pay big bucks for records described as 1st pressings because they believe it was the very first time it came out on vinyl (in that country). If you went to the shop on the day it was released thats what you'd get.
Does anyone want a discussion on repress or reissue