It seems that we've reached a point where not indicting would result in more uproar than indicting.
tRump's deplorables will flip out but it will be hard for right wing talking heads to argue too much. Even Steve Doocy will likely agree that he should be indicted.
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As much as I would like to see him go to prison and assure the public there is some semblance of order in our government, I don't think it will happen.
It seems that we've reached a point where not indicting would result in more uproar than indicting.
tRump's deplorables will flip out but it will be hard for right wing talking heads to argue too much. Even Steve Doocy will likely agree that he should be indicted.
I mean....it certainly seems like it's moving that way with 1,000 pages of classified top secret docs that he, apparently, personally signed off on.
It seems that we've reached a point where not indicting would result in more uproar than indicting.
tRump's deplorables will flip out but it will be hard for right wing talking heads to argue too much. Even Steve Doocy will likely agree that he should be indicted.
I think we have reached a point in which our entire system of government and it’s legal framework needs to be completely overhauled to prevent exploiting unclear processes and very vaguely written powers.
I don’t care if he gets indicted or not. It still doesn’t really fix the underlying issues. There are certainly interesting points on both sides. That’s a result of the how the presidency is structured more than it being about trump specifically
it’s shocking it took this long to get a guy like trump into the presidency. It’s happened once to this degree and everything falls apart. Doesn’t seem like a good foundation to me
It seems that we've reached a point where not indicting would result in more uproar than indicting.
tRump's deplorables will flip out but it will be hard for right wing talking heads to argue too much. Even Steve Doocy will likely agree that he should be indicted.
I think we have reached a point in which our entire system of government and it’s legal framework needs to be completely overhauled to prevent exploiting unclear processes and very vaguely written powers.
I don’t care if he gets indicted or not. It still doesn’t really fix the underlying issues. There are certainly interesting points on both sides. That’s a result of the how the presidency is structured more than it being about trump specifically
it’s shocking it took this long to get a guy like trump into the presidency. It’s happened once to this degree and everything falls apart. Doesn’t seem like a good foundation to me
Part of me wants to argue that the system worked...that he wasn't successful with his attempted bullshit.
But yet if a few key people had gone his way we would be in a dramatically different position.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
It seems that we've reached a point where not indicting would result in more uproar than indicting.
tRump's deplorables will flip out but it will be hard for right wing talking heads to argue too much. Even Steve Doocy will likely agree that he should be indicted.
I think we have reached a point in which our entire system of government and it’s legal framework needs to be completely overhauled to prevent exploiting unclear processes and very vaguely written powers.
I don’t care if he gets indicted or not. It still doesn’t really fix the underlying issues. There are certainly interesting points on both sides. That’s a result of the how the presidency is structured more than it being about trump specifically
it’s shocking it took this long to get a guy like trump into the presidency. It’s happened once to this degree and everything falls apart. Doesn’t seem like a good foundation to me
Part of me wants to argue that the system worked...that he wasn't successful with his attempted bullshit.
But yet if a few key people had gone his way we would be in a dramatically different position.
Yeah, people say it worked, it didn’t.
you could have had a Republican Vice President rejecting slates of electors. Republican governors or legislators in several states not certifying etc.
that’s just the election specifically. There was tons of other stuff where aids had to stop Trump from being trump. Every time it was someone on Team trump having to make that call. It’s dumb luck we got through it.
impeachment was never a viable option when it’s a partisan process
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It worked because the people in those positions did the right thing.
Having to depend on a Vice President seems like a reasonable concern for example. He has a specific interest in keeping his job. Do that situation 100 times, no way all 100 times the individual person does the right thing. That’s the point, depending on people, not a strong framework
the electoral count act is vague. The fact his role was even discussed in that context is a problem. We could clarify it, just to be sure but we probably won’t
I suppose Al Gore could have tried that argument too two decades earlier.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
Especially if 2020 was just a test run.
all you have to do is look at the number of election deniers running for Secretary of State. Not to mention other state positions that can intervene in elections
people did do the right thing, those people are trying to be replaced because they did the right thing
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It worked because the people in those positions did the right thing.
Having to depend on a Vice President seems like a reasonable concern for example. He has a specific interest in keeping his job. Do that situation 100 times, no way all 100 times the individual person does the right thing. That’s the point, depending on people, not a strong framework
the electoral count act is vague. The fact his role was even discussed in that context is a problem. We could clarify it, just to be sure but we probably won’t
I suppose Al Gore could have tried that argument too two decades earlier.
By definition the system worked. If it didn't, your what if's would've actually happened.
I want more done than that Electoral Count Act too, but, I believe, one of the things it does is clarify that VP's job that day is only ceremonial.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
Especially if 2020 was just a test run.
all you have to do is look at the number of election deniers running for Secretary of State. Not to mention other state positions that can intervene in elections
people did do the right thing, those people are trying to be replaced because they did the right thing
This is the bigger issue--what can happen moving forward. The system worked in 2020 and worked for over 200 years prior. You can't say that it didn't. But moving forward, yes there is absolutely concern. That is why the midterms are so fucking important.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
Agreed. The system is by no means perfect and absolutely needs updating. My point was that it has actually worked up to this point.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
Especially if 2020 was just a test run.
all you have to do is look at the number of election deniers running for Secretary of State. Not to mention other state positions that can intervene in elections
people did do the right thing, those people are trying to be replaced because they did the right thing
This is the bigger issue--what can happen moving forward. The system worked in 2020 and worked for over 200 years prior. You can't say that it didn't. But moving forward, yes there is absolutely concern. That is why the midterms are so fucking important.
They are adapting to get around the roadblocks so yeah, not changing or clarifying the process is insane.
If there is a loophole it will be exploited. What makes it crazy is we know the loopholes are there and ignore it
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
Especially if 2020 was just a test run.
all you have to do is look at the number of election deniers running for Secretary of State. Not to mention other state positions that can intervene in elections
people did do the right thing, those people are trying to be replaced because they did the right thing
This is the bigger issue--what can happen moving forward. The system worked in 2020 and worked for over 200 years prior. You can't say that it didn't. But moving forward, yes there is absolutely concern. That is why the midterms are so fucking important.
They are adapting to get around the roadblocks so yeah, not changing or clarifying the process is insane.
If there is a loophole it will be exploited. What makes it crazy is we know the loopholes are there and ignore it
The scary thing is they seem more focused on the local and state positions. That has been Bannon's plan for the last two years now .
Thankfully things are trending in the right direction. A ton of shit can happen in the next couple months but hopefully things continue the way they've been since Roe was overturned.
You can't really say it did not work and then rattle off a bunch of what if's as to how it could not have worked. It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
depending on humans to do the right thing instead of being bound by law to do the right thing is the issue. it easily could have gone sideways.
Especially if 2020 was just a test run.
all you have to do is look at the number of election deniers running for Secretary of State. Not to mention other state positions that can intervene in elections
people did do the right thing, those people are trying to be replaced because they did the right thing
This is the bigger issue--what can happen moving forward. The system worked in 2020 and worked for over 200 years prior. You can't say that it didn't. But moving forward, yes there is absolutely concern. That is why the midterms are so fucking important.
They are adapting to get around the roadblocks so yeah, not changing or clarifying the process is insane.
If there is a loophole it will be exploited. What makes it crazy is we know the loopholes are there and ignore it
The scary thing is they seem more focused on the local and state positions. That has been Bannon's plan for the last two years now .
Thankfully things are trending in the right direction. A ton of shit can happen in the next couple months but hopefully things continue the way they've been since Roe was overturned.
state positions are how we got to this level of gerrymander..... 20 yrs or more in the making
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During this time, I have received training at the FBI Academy located at Quantico, Virginia, specific to counterintelligence and espionage investigations.
Based on my experience and training, I am familiar with efforts used to unlawfully collect, retain, and disseminate sensitive government information, including classified NDI.
Based upon the following facts, there is probable cause to believe that the locations to be searched at the PREMISES contain evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(e), 1519,or2071
And that's just in the first three pages. Let's see POOTWH explain this away with the wave of the hand and shouts of witch hunt.
The Save America PAC released a statement claiming everything had been returned and it was a routine preservation of POOTWH's legacy. Then the portions immediately following the image of the "statement" is heavily redacted. Someone is under investigation.
If you take the minimum charge of the three years from the types of potential violations of law, 20 years, 10 years and 3 years, and apply them to the 187 documents found, the minimum prison sentence would be 561 years. Now, lets cut that in half, its 280 years. Now lets cut it in half again because we'll assume the lower end of the sentencing guidelines, that's 140 years. Now lets assume the judge is lenient and deferential to POOTWH, and cuts in half again, thats 70 years. Factor in time off for good behavior while awaiting trial and cooperating with the government or copping a guilty plea, that 35 years. Suspend 25 years for behaving for 10 years after the sentence is served and POOTWH is looking at 10 years. I'm okay with that.
The fucking guys fingerprints are probably on the documents because he wrote on them in his handwriting. Me thinks POOTWH is fucked. And the best part? That fruit from the poisonous tree, FISA is mentioned.
All of that, requires the Supreme Court to rule he doesn’t have the authority to magically declassify whatever he wants. It’s 100 percent going there. And it’s not clear he loses on that argument.
Expectations need to be realistic. He wouldn’t have done any of this by accident. He had to have had legal advise he could win this exact argument. It’s not about the documents at all. The documents are to set up a fight with the government. In no way do I believe this was not calculated in advance by team trump. Everyone knew he had them it’s not surprising, the question needs to be why keep them when you know the feds will come in and take them?
it’s like Ted Cruz deliberately violating campaign finance law so he could take it to court. It wasn’t an accident. During his 2018 campaign, Cruz loaned himself $260,000 one day before winning reelection, intentionally going $10,000 above the legal limit for repayment to have grounds to sue the Federal Election Commission and argue against the law.
other people may go to jail. Not trump. The fact he violated the law is clear. Your only defense has to be arguing against the law itself as to its application to a sitting president on classified documents which he was at the time and former presidents in reguard to their presidential documents
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No way trump ever gets indicted anywhere. This hubbub with garland was nothing more than document retrieval, and it may nearly get trump re-elected.
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tRump's deplorables will flip out but it will be hard for right wing talking heads to argue too much. Even Steve Doocy will likely agree that he should be indicted.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I don’t care if he gets indicted or not. It still doesn’t really fix the underlying issues. There are certainly interesting points on both sides. That’s a result of the how the presidency is structured more than it being about trump specifically
it’s shocking it took this long to get a guy like trump into the presidency. It’s happened once to this degree and everything falls apart. Doesn’t seem like a good foundation to me
But yet if a few key people had gone his way we would be in a dramatically different position.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
you could have had a Republican Vice President rejecting slates of electors. Republican governors or legislators in several states not certifying etc.
that’s just the election specifically. There was tons of other stuff where aids had to stop Trump from being trump. Every time it was someone on Team trump having to make that call. It’s dumb luck we got through it.
impeachment was never a viable option when it’s a partisan process
It actually did work because the people in those positions did the right thing.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
the electoral count act is vague. The fact his role was even discussed in that context is a problem. We could clarify it, just to be sure but we probably won’t
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all you have to do is look at the number of election deniers running for Secretary of State. Not to mention other state positions that can intervene in elections
people did do the right thing, those people are trying to be replaced because they did the right thing
I want more done than that Electoral Count Act too, but, I believe, one of the things it does is clarify that VP's job that day is only ceremonial.
Thankfully things are trending in the right direction. A ton of shit can happen in the next couple months but hopefully things continue the way they've been since Roe was overturned.
state positions are how we got to this level of gerrymander..... 20 yrs or more in the making
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Based on my experience and training, I am familiar with efforts used to unlawfully collect, retain, and disseminate sensitive government information, including classified NDI.
Based upon the following facts, there is probable cause to believe that the locations to be searched at the PREMISES contain evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(e), 1519,or2071
And that's just in the first three pages. Let's see POOTWH explain this away with the wave of the hand and shouts of witch hunt.
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If you take the minimum charge of the three years from the types of potential violations of law, 20 years, 10 years and 3 years, and apply them to the 187 documents found, the minimum prison sentence would be 561 years. Now, lets cut that in half, its 280 years. Now lets cut it in half again because we'll assume the lower end of the sentencing guidelines, that's 140 years. Now lets assume the judge is lenient and deferential to POOTWH, and cuts in half again, thats 70 years. Factor in time off for good behavior while awaiting trial and cooperating with the government or copping a guilty plea, that 35 years. Suspend 25 years for behaving for 10 years after the sentence is served and POOTWH is looking at 10 years. I'm okay with that.
The fucking guys fingerprints are probably on the documents because he wrote on them in his handwriting. Me thinks POOTWH is fucked. And the best part? That fruit from the poisonous tree, FISA is mentioned.
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it’s like Ted Cruz deliberately violating campaign finance law so he could take it to court. It wasn’t an accident. During his 2018 campaign, Cruz loaned himself $260,000 one day before winning reelection, intentionally going $10,000 above the legal limit for repayment to have grounds to sue the Federal Election Commission and argue against the law.
other people may go to jail. Not trump. The fact he violated the law is clear. Your only defense has to be arguing against the law itself as to its application to a sitting president on classified documents which he was at the time and former presidents in reguard to their presidential documents
there is literally no other play besides that
Then the second indictment thread will be created. lol