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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,871
    edited August 2024
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    And if you read everything written, including news articles like the NBC one, this isn't prognostication. It's in black and white how they're overstating the impact. The only guesswork is how PBMs and insurers will pass that savings on to consumers and you're welcome to let your own bias on those companies dictate your opinion on how that will go 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,871
    pjl44 said:
    And if you read everything written, including news articles like the NBC one, this isn't prognostication. It's in black and white how they're overstating the impact. The only guesswork is how PBMs and insurers will pass that savings on to consumers and you're welcome to let your own bias on those companies dictate your opinion on how that will go 
    In my case I get no insurance benefit so there is no middleman.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,310
    Someone please tell us what the repub plan is for lowering prescription drug prices? Anyone? Oh, right.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,310
    edited August 2024
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
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  • pjl44
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    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    And if you read everything written, including news articles like the NBC one, this isn't prognostication. It's in black and white how they're overstating the impact. The only guesswork is how PBMs and insurers will pass that savings on to consumers and you're welcome to let your own bias on those companies dictate your opinion on how that will go 
    In my case I get no insurance benefit so there is no middleman.
    Man. Have you looked into GoodRx or anything like that?
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,513
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    Finish the sentence: 25% of seniors are ________
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,513
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    Finish the sentence: 25% of seniors are ________
    "Paying full cost without a plan", in reference to what you said.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    Finish the sentence: 25% of seniors are ________
    "Paying full cost without a plan", in reference to what you said.
    That is not remotely true. Did you see that somewhere other than Halifax's mangled post?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,871
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    And if you read everything written, including news articles like the NBC one, this isn't prognostication. It's in black and white how they're overstating the impact. The only guesswork is how PBMs and insurers will pass that savings on to consumers and you're welcome to let your own bias on those companies dictate your opinion on how that will go 
    In my case I get no insurance benefit so there is no middleman.
    Man. Have you looked into GoodRx or anything like that?
    Not yet...I'm actually using their initial discount right now but once that expires I'm fucked. I had a blood clot in my leg a little over a year ago and my doctor says I need to be on this until I die because the clot was unexplained. I have this weird gene (Factor V?) so I'm screwed.

    I assume at some point a generic will become available. I hope.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,310
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    Finish the sentence: 25% of seniors are ________
    "Paying full cost without a plan", in reference to what you said.
    That is not remotely true. Did you see that somewhere other than Halifax's mangled post?
    “Not ‘remotely’ true.” Thanks for the laugh this morning.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,994
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Someone please tell us what the repub plan is for lowering prescription drug prices? Anyone? Oh, right.
    there isn't. many of them do not even believe in medicare, so why would they try to fix the prices?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    And if you read everything written, including news articles like the NBC one, this isn't prognostication. It's in black and white how they're overstating the impact. The only guesswork is how PBMs and insurers will pass that savings on to consumers and you're welcome to let your own bias on those companies dictate your opinion on how that will go 
    In my case I get no insurance benefit so there is no middleman.
    Man. Have you looked into GoodRx or anything like that?
    Not yet...I'm actually using their initial discount right now but once that expires I'm fucked. I had a blood clot in my leg a little over a year ago and my doctor says I need to be on this until I die because the clot was unexplained. I have this weird gene (Factor V?) so I'm screwed.

    I assume at some point a generic will become available. I hope.
    From some quick googling it looks like the patent is up in late 2026 but I have no idea which direction legal wrangling could push that. I'm always happy to talk through how to navigate the system in PMs if you're sweating the discount expiring.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    Finish the sentence: 25% of seniors are ________
    "Paying full cost without a plan", in reference to what you said.
    That is not remotely true. Did you see that somewhere other than Halifax's mangled post?
    “Not ‘remotely’ true.” Thanks for the laugh this morning.
    Please just point me to where you are getting your claim from
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    And if you read everything written, including news articles like the NBC one, this isn't prognostication. It's in black and white how they're overstating the impact. The only guesswork is how PBMs and insurers will pass that savings on to consumers and you're welcome to let your own bias on those companies dictate your opinion on how that will go 
    In my case I get no insurance benefit so there is no middleman.
    Man. Have you looked into GoodRx or anything like that?
    Not yet...I'm actually using their initial discount right now but once that expires I'm fucked. I had a blood clot in my leg a little over a year ago and my doctor says I need to be on this until I die because the clot was unexplained. I have this weird gene (Factor V?) so I'm screwed.

    I assume at some point a generic will become available. I hope.
    From some quick googling it looks like the patent is up in late 2026 but I have no idea which direction legal wrangling could push that. I'm always happy to talk through how to navigate the system in PMs if you're sweating the discount expiring.
    I didn't even consider the other extremely cynical explanation which is: Pfizer was willing to cut the price of this drug starting in 2026 because the patent expires then, a generic becomes available, and the cost would drop anyway. Could be interesting to see when the other 9 patents expire lol.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,310
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Can I borrow your crystal ball?
    This is my line of work. I don't care if you believe me.
    ok...no offense intended. Just seems odd that there would be lawsuits to prevent it if the drugmakers weren't going to get hit harder than you seem to suggest. I could be wrong.
    Drug makers will absolutely get hit hard. But it's insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers who get those savings. They're the middle man. The average person is relying on seeing those savings come through reduced costs in their drug plans. Your case is rare if you're just paying full cost for a med without a plan.
    One of 25% of seniors and 18% of those 25-64, but rare.
    "One of 25% of seniors" what?
    You said rare case, and their response is that Gern is 1 of the actual 25% or 18%, thus not rare.
    Finish the sentence: 25% of seniors are ________
    "Paying full cost without a plan", in reference to what you said.
    That is not remotely true. Did you see that somewhere other than Halifax's mangled post?
    “Not ‘remotely’ true.” Thanks for the laugh this morning.
    Please just point me to where you are getting your claim from
    Tell me why you think I’m full of shit and why you were unable to follow my “mangled post.” Maybe you’ve heard of the CDC and the NIH? Maybe not but I think, think, you’re smart enough to do your own research, eh? Isn’t that what all the kids say, do your own research? Report back, eh?
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