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Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase0 -
Maybe but if you have multiple charges (he had at least eight), you are far less likely to be able to negotiate down to misdemeanors. He also pled guilty to lying to congress. You start stacking felonies, and the DOJ isn't going to cut you the same deal as if you had far fewer issues (like Hunter).mace1229 said:
Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
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mrussel1 said:
Maybe but if you have multiple charges (he had at least eight), you are far less likely to be able to negotiate down to misdemeanors. He also pled guilty to lying to congress. You start stacking felonies, and the DOJ isn't going to cut you the same deal as if you had far fewer issues (like Hunter).mace1229 said:
Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
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Sometimes it seems as if there is more benefit of a doubt given to the guy who attempted to end our democracy than there is to Joe Biden.www.myspace.com0
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YupThe Juggler said:Sometimes it seems as if there is more benefit of a doubt given to the guy who attempted to end our democracy than there is to Joe Biden.0 -
Not paying taxes, getting caught and then paying it doesn’t make it not illegal.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Maybe but if you have multiple charges (he had at least eight), you are far less likely to be able to negotiate down to misdemeanors. He also pled guilty to lying to congress. You start stacking felonies, and the DOJ isn't going to cut you the same deal as if you had far fewer issues (like Hunter).mace1229 said:
Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
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Maybe. But my point was in response to if Biden was willing to pardon his son he would have already. Not true because for one, there’s nothing to pardon yet. He’s not convicted of anything and his plea didn’t go through. And second, he’s not going to pardon him when he’s not facing jail time anyway. So him not having pardoned Hunter has no bearing.mrussel1 said:
Maybe but if you have multiple charges (he had at least eight), you are far less likely to be able to negotiate down to misdemeanors. He also pled guilty to lying to congress. You start stacking felonies, and the DOJ isn't going to cut you the same deal as if you had far fewer issues (like Hunter).mace1229 said:
Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
Im wiling to bet if Hunter was facing legitimate jail time that totaled multiple years he would pardon him. I was just saying if they found some reason to raise the tax charges to felony evasion for a hypothetical argument, I’m not saying they should. I’m sure most presidents would pardon their son they are close to.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
I have a hard time believing that a tRump appointed special prosecutor would take it easy on Hunter.
The charge was misdemeanor tax evasion which seems to suggest he claimed the income but just didn't pay the tax or he didn't file a return and the IRS was able to construct a return to determine how much he owed.
I don't know the details of what actually happened though. I've looked a few times and didn't find anything definitive. Some articles say he "didn't pay" and others say he was pleading guilty to tax evasion.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I do hope they find out why Saudi Arabia gave Hunter $2B though.
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From various articles that I read sounds like he filed for both years, but didn’t claim $3 million of income. When he got caught he paid it.Gern Blansten said:I have a hard time believing that a tRump appointed special prosecutor would take it easy on Hunter.
The charge was misdemeanor tax evasion which seems to suggest he claimed the income but just didn't pay the tax or he didn't file a return and the IRS was able to construct a return to determine how much he owed.
I don't know the details of what actually happened though. I've looked a few times and didn't find anything definitive. Some articles say he "didn't pay" and others say he was pleading guilty to tax evasion.I might overlook a $500 Christmas bonus, but $3 million is intentional. Paying it late after you got caught doesn’t make it not illegal.
I don’t know what the usual consequence is and how this differs from felony tax evasion that carries years.I’ve used this example before, Richard from season 1 survivor served 50 months for not filing taxes on his winnings. (I said 5 years before because that’s what I thought, just looked it up and it was 50 months, just over 4 years- and that was time served) I don’t know all the details, I’ve just always remembered that story because I thought it was funny. Win $1 million on a hit tv show and think you can get away without claiming it. Idiot. I do know he wasn’t facing numerous other charges. Maybe he was uncooperative, refused to pay a fine and refused a plea and that’s why he got such a high sentence, I don’t know. But by comparison Hunters deal seemed like a pretty sweet deal. 3 times the money for no jail time. One of them has got to be the exception to the norm. I don’t know which to be honest.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Yeah seems to dwarf whatever happened with Hunter, eh?Merkin Baller said:I do hope they find out why Saudi Arabia gave Hunter $2B though.
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Seems to me Hunter is being treated more harshly than most. Richard Hatch didn’t pay the money back, he went to court and lost, and was convicted of assault just before, during or after his conviction for tax evasion. IRS doesn’t fuck around when you don’t cooperate, challenge and lose.However, Shanlon Wu, a legal analyst and former U.S. federal prosecutor, told CBC News the agreement is "not a sweetheart deal," noting the consequences Hunter Biden is facing are stiffer than the average person with the same charges.
It's relatively rare, for making a false statement on this application for gun ownership, to have anybody be prosecuted and convicted for that as a standalone charge," Wu told As It Happens' Nil Köksal. "Meaning that, usually, people get convicted of that if the gun was then used in some other kind of crime, you know, a robbery or something."
Similarly, Wu said there is usually "a very low appetite" for prosecuting those charged with tax evasion if the outstanding money has been paid.
"So, if you look at this in the context of what would happen to the average person, there's more attention being paid to [Hunter Biden] than normally would happen."
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Yeah that would seem to lean more toward felony which is why I would be surprised if Weis didn't nail him for that.mace1229 said:
From various articles that I read sounds like he filed for both years, but didn’t claim $3 million of income. When he got caught he paid it.Gern Blansten said:I have a hard time believing that a tRump appointed special prosecutor would take it easy on Hunter.
The charge was misdemeanor tax evasion which seems to suggest he claimed the income but just didn't pay the tax or he didn't file a return and the IRS was able to construct a return to determine how much he owed.
I don't know the details of what actually happened though. I've looked a few times and didn't find anything definitive. Some articles say he "didn't pay" and others say he was pleading guilty to tax evasion.I might overlook a $500 Christmas bonus, but $3 million is intentional. Paying it late after you got caught doesn’t make it not illegal.
I don’t know what the usual consequence is and how this differs from felony tax evasion that carries years.I’ve used this example before, Richard from season 1 survivor served 50 months for not filing taxes on his winnings. (I said 5 years before because that’s what I thought, just looked it up and it was 50 months, just over 4 years- and that was time served) I don’t know all the details, I’ve just always remembered that story because I thought it was funny. Win $1 million on a hit tv show and think you can get away without claiming it. Idiot. I do know he wasn’t facing numerous other charges. Maybe he was uncooperative, refused to pay a fine and refused a plea and that’s why he got such a high sentence, I don’t know. But by comparison Hunters deal seemed like a pretty sweet deal. 3 times the money for no jail time. One of them has got to be the exception to the norm. I don’t know which to be honest.
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Yeah that would seem to lean more toward felony which is why I would be surprised if Weis didn't nail him for that.mace1229 said:
From various articles that I read sounds like he filed for both years, but didn’t claim $3 million of income. When he got caught he paid it.Gern Blansten said:I have a hard time believing that a tRump appointed special prosecutor would take it easy on Hunter.
The charge was misdemeanor tax evasion which seems to suggest he claimed the income but just didn't pay the tax or he didn't file a return and the IRS was able to construct a return to determine how much he owed.
I don't know the details of what actually happened though. I've looked a few times and didn't find anything definitive. Some articles say he "didn't pay" and others say he was pleading guilty to tax evasion.I might overlook a $500 Christmas bonus, but $3 million is intentional. Paying it late after you got caught doesn’t make it not illegal.
I don’t know what the usual consequence is and how this differs from felony tax evasion that carries years.I’ve used this example before, Richard from season 1 survivor served 50 months for not filing taxes on his winnings. (I said 5 years before because that’s what I thought, just looked it up and it was 50 months, just over 4 years- and that was time served) I don’t know all the details, I’ve just always remembered that story because I thought it was funny. Win $1 million on a hit tv show and think you can get away without claiming it. Idiot. I do know he wasn’t facing numerous other charges. Maybe he was uncooperative, refused to pay a fine and refused a plea and that’s why he got such a high sentence, I don’t know. But by comparison Hunters deal seemed like a pretty sweet deal. 3 times the money for no jail time. One of them has got to be the exception to the norm. I don’t know which to be honest.
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how many millions would need to be hidden to come to a $2,000,000 settlement with the IRS? oh and no charges behind that too....
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This is inaccurate. A person may be pardon at any point in the legal process. Investigation, indictment, trail, conviction.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But my point was in response to if Biden was willing to pardon his son he would have already. Not true because for one, there’s nothing to pardon yet. He’s not convicted of anything and his plea didn’t go through. And second, he’s not going to pardon him when he’s not facing jail time anyway. So him not having pardoned Hunter has no bearing.mrussel1 said:
Maybe but if you have multiple charges (he had at least eight), you are far less likely to be able to negotiate down to misdemeanors. He also pled guilty to lying to congress. You start stacking felonies, and the DOJ isn't going to cut you the same deal as if you had far fewer issues (like Hunter).mace1229 said:
Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
Im wiling to bet if Hunter was facing legitimate jail time that totaled multiple years he would pardon him. I was just saying if they found some reason to raise the tax charges to felony evasion for a hypothetical argument, I’m not saying they should. I’m sure most presidents would pardon their son they are close to.0 -
Tax, penalty, interest....hard to say but there is a 20% substantial underpayment penalty so it adds up quick. You figure a 37% tax rate plus 20% plus interest could get close to that $2mil figure on $3mil of unreported income.mickeyrat said:Gern Blansten said:
Yeah that would seem to lean more toward felony which is why I would be surprised if Weis didn't nail him for that.mace1229 said:
From various articles that I read sounds like he filed for both years, but didn’t claim $3 million of income. When he got caught he paid it.Gern Blansten said:I have a hard time believing that a tRump appointed special prosecutor would take it easy on Hunter.
The charge was misdemeanor tax evasion which seems to suggest he claimed the income but just didn't pay the tax or he didn't file a return and the IRS was able to construct a return to determine how much he owed.
I don't know the details of what actually happened though. I've looked a few times and didn't find anything definitive. Some articles say he "didn't pay" and others say he was pleading guilty to tax evasion.I might overlook a $500 Christmas bonus, but $3 million is intentional. Paying it late after you got caught doesn’t make it not illegal.
I don’t know what the usual consequence is and how this differs from felony tax evasion that carries years.I’ve used this example before, Richard from season 1 survivor served 50 months for not filing taxes on his winnings. (I said 5 years before because that’s what I thought, just looked it up and it was 50 months, just over 4 years- and that was time served) I don’t know all the details, I’ve just always remembered that story because I thought it was funny. Win $1 million on a hit tv show and think you can get away without claiming it. Idiot. I do know he wasn’t facing numerous other charges. Maybe he was uncooperative, refused to pay a fine and refused a plea and that’s why he got such a high sentence, I don’t know. But by comparison Hunters deal seemed like a pretty sweet deal. 3 times the money for no jail time. One of them has got to be the exception to the norm. I don’t know which to be honest.
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That doesn’t make sense. But I looked it up and you’re right. I don’t know why you’d pardon someone before they are convicted.mrussel1 said:
This is inaccurate. A person may be pardon at any point in the legal process. Investigation, indictment, trail, conviction.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But my point was in response to if Biden was willing to pardon his son he would have already. Not true because for one, there’s nothing to pardon yet. He’s not convicted of anything and his plea didn’t go through. And second, he’s not going to pardon him when he’s not facing jail time anyway. So him not having pardoned Hunter has no bearing.mrussel1 said:
Maybe but if you have multiple charges (he had at least eight), you are far less likely to be able to negotiate down to misdemeanors. He also pled guilty to lying to congress. You start stacking felonies, and the DOJ isn't going to cut you the same deal as if you had far fewer issues (like Hunter).mace1229 said:
Yes, but of all that the one that holds the biggest penalty I believe were the tax charges.mrussel1 said:
Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.mace1229 said:
I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.Merkin Baller said:
Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down?mace1229 said:
No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.Merkin Baller said:
Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt?mace1229 said:
Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.Merkin Baller said:
Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to.mace1229 said:
Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?Merkin Baller said:bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg
I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.
If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you?
But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.
i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here?
Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right?
And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.
And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.
Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
You guys are saying the same thing Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
Im wiling to bet if Hunter was facing legitimate jail time that totaled multiple years he would pardon him. I was just saying if they found some reason to raise the tax charges to felony evasion for a hypothetical argument, I’m not saying they should. I’m sure most presidents would pardon their son they are close to.
But still doesn’t make sense for Joe to pardon Hunter even if he can. He doesn’t know what the outcome will be. If he pardons him now it’s just saying to the world “look, we’re above the law, we know it and I don’t care to show it” and will ruin his election chances. All that for something that is likely not even going to have any jail time. So even if he can, makes no sense for Joe to pardon him at this point.
And Joe won’t pardon him as long as he’s not in jail.
Hunter stops cooperating, they find more income he avoided and didn’t claim, and he gets an actual sentence, I could see it happening then. But that’s not going to happen, just a hypothetical what-if.0
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