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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    haley is running for president. take that to the bank.
    and she's switched to the conspiracy scare tactics of her former boss. shameful. 
    she knows which way the wind blows. she knows the voters that will butter that bread. so damn opportunistic. it is almost predatory.
    is joe any different, really? he switched so many of his ideals to suit the current democratic party. we like to think it's growth (I've even said those words myself), but I could see how some might view it was opportunistic as well. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,397
    haley is running for president. take that to the bank.
    and she's switched to the conspiracy scare tactics of her former boss. shameful. 
    she knows which way the wind blows. she knows the voters that will butter that bread. so damn opportunistic. it is almost predatory.
    is joe any different, really? he switched so many of his ideals to suit the current democratic party. we like to think it's growth (I've even said those words myself), but I could see how some might view it was opportunistic as well. 
    the difference is joe seems to care and seems to want to do a good job for everyone. he is malleable because he listens to experts and will surround himself with experts, not sycophants.

    those in the gop just want power for the sake of having power. experts be damned.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    haley is running for president. take that to the bank.
    and she's switched to the conspiracy scare tactics of her former boss. shameful. 
    she knows which way the wind blows. she knows the voters that will butter that bread. so damn opportunistic. it is almost predatory.
    is joe any different, really? he switched so many of his ideals to suit the current democratic party. we like to think it's growth (I've even said those words myself), but I could see how some might view it was opportunistic as well. 
    the difference is joe seems to care and seems to want to do a good job for everyone. he is malleable because he listens to experts and will surround himself with experts, not sycophants.

    those in the gop just want power for the sake of having power. experts be damned.
    he does seem to care, there is no doubt about that for me. all I'm saying is I can understand the criticism or reticence to accept him at his word for some, since many of his current ideals are a complete 180 from just 10-20 years ago. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    (also posted in the coronavirus thread) I agree with pretty much everything R Senator Pat Toomey says here:

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/29/trump-death-wish-tweet-republicans-stimulus-lead-vpx.cnn
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,471
    Look at this PIECE OF SHIT doing the bidding of the piece-of-shit-in-chief..  


  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    Look at this PIECE OF SHIT doing the bidding of the piece-of-shit-in-chief..  


    meh. who cares about objections. it's all bluster that means nothing. just like when the dems did it in 2017. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,397
    Look at this PIECE OF SHIT doing the bidding of the piece-of-shit-in-chief..  


    does this mean i can object to him being my senator? 

    already a god damned national embarrassment. 

    i already called his office to unload on a staffer but nobody answered and the mailbox was full.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,497
    cutz said:
    Damn Wednesday is going to be a crazy day! Can Democrats do anything to combat this?
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    cutz said:
    Damn Wednesday is going to be a crazy day! Can Democrats do anything to combat this?

    yes, sleep well in the knowledge that Biden and Harris swear in on jan 20.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    cutz said:
    Damn Wednesday is going to be a crazy day! Can Democrats do anything to combat this?
    they can do whatever they want to delay the certification of the counting of EC votes by Pence. he's already shown he is on board with mcconnel in certifiying it, as he counter-sued those idiot senators and won (they sued him to give him ultimate power to choose his own electors). it will be a couple hours of political posturing to appease trump's base and then the votes will be counted. 
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 10,900
    Then how long til the first casualty of Civil War 2?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    DewieCox said:
    Then how long til the first casualty of Civil War 2?
    there won't be one. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    DewieCox said:
    Then how long til the first casualty of Civil War 2?
    there won't be one. 

    nothing formal anyway.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    there is a lot of online chatter. but when it comes down to brass tax, 99% of those big talkers would stay the fuck home and watch the revolution on tv. and it would be a 22 minute episode. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,932
    So, so, so glad that $1.5 trillion tax break passed, especially since it was floated by Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat and Moscow Mitchy baby. Yea, Amazon needs subsidies to be successful. Yup, nothing’s wrong in ‘Murica.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/01/bezos-musk-wealth-pandemic/
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,932
    Who’s excited for 2024?



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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    Who’s excited for 2024?




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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,932
    mickeyrat said:
    Who’s excited for 2024?




    Sedition Caucus
    Pelosi should refuse to seat the white nationalist repubs and watch heads explode. Tell them to drop the bullshit or she won’t seat any house repubs, never mind just the white nationalists. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
     

    Paul Ryan excoriates planned GOP effort to challenge Biden's Electoral College win as 'anti-democratic and anti-conservative'

    WASHINGTON – Former House Speaker Paul Ryan excoriated fellow Republicans Sunday in a rare statement that called planned GOP efforts to challenge President-elect Joe Biden's win "anti-democratic and anti-conservative." 

    Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin who served as House Speaker from 2015 to 2019, has seldom weighed in on events since leaving office, but issued a lengthy statement decrying Republican plans to object to certifying the Electoral College results in a joint session of Congress on Wednesday. Twelve incoming and sitting Republican senators and dozens of GOP House members plan to object to the count over President Donald Trump's baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. 

    "Efforts to reject the votes of the Electoral College and sow doubt about Joe Biden’s victory strike at the foundation of our republic," Ryan said in a statement. "It is difficult to conceive of a more anti-democratic and anti-conservative act than a federal intervention to overturn the results of state-certified elections and disenfranchise millions of Americans. The fact that this effort will fail does not mean it will not do significant damage to American democracy."

    Ryan asked fellow conservatives to think about the "precedent that it would set" and noted the Trump campaign's failed efforts in the court to challenge election results in a number of states. 

    "The Trump campaign had ample opportunity to challenge election results, and those efforts failed from lack of evidence. The legal process was exhausted, and the results were decisively confirmed," he added. "The Department of Justice, too, found no basis for overturning the result. If states wish to reform their processes for future elections, that is their prerogative. But Joe Biden’s victory is entirely legitimate."

    Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., was the first senator to announce plans to object to the electoral vote count. Since then, a batch of 11 GOP senators joined in a similar effort, vowing to object to the certification of Biden's win when Congress meets in a joint session on Wednesday if an election commission was not formed to investigate the election and claims of fraud. 

    While the effort to overturn results is doomed to fail, the objections will launch a dramatic and lengthy process that includes two hours of debate and a vote in each chamber for each state that is challenged. 

    The process is likely to stretch into an all-day event that will start the new Congress off with a divisive political battle. 

    Ryan, who ran as the Republican party's nominee for vice president on the ticket with Sen. Mitt Romney in 2012, has rarely spoken out since leaving office. He was often a target of Trump while serving in the House and continued to receive scorn even after leaving the House. 

    In one of his only other notable remarks since departing Washington, Ryan was quoted in "American Carnage," a 2019 book by Politico reporter Tim Alberta, as saying that Trump didn't know "anything about government" and retirement was an "escape hatch" because he couldn't stand another two years with Trump as president. 

    Trump has said that Republicans like Ryan "almost killed" the party, calling him "weak, ineffective & stupid." The president has also called Ryan a "baby" and said he "couldn't get him out of Congress fast enough."

    Ryan has remained mum on responding to many of Trump's attacks, trying to stay out of the fray even as his friend and former running mate Romney became Trump's No. 1 GOP target. In late November, Ryan reportedly called for Trump to concede and drop his lawsuits, telling virtual banking conference attendees Trump's campaign was offering "baseless conspiracy theories."


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    mickeyrat said:
     

    Paul Ryan excoriates planned GOP effort to challenge Biden's Electoral College win as 'anti-democratic and anti-conservative'

    WASHINGTON – Former House Speaker Paul Ryan excoriated fellow Republicans Sunday in a rare statement that called planned GOP efforts to challenge President-elect Joe Biden's win "anti-democratic and anti-conservative." 

    Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin who served as House Speaker from 2015 to 2019, has seldom weighed in on events since leaving office, but issued a lengthy statement decrying Republican plans to object to certifying the Electoral College results in a joint session of Congress on Wednesday. Twelve incoming and sitting Republican senators and dozens of GOP House members plan to object to the count over President Donald Trump's baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. 

    "Efforts to reject the votes of the Electoral College and sow doubt about Joe Biden’s victory strike at the foundation of our republic," Ryan said in a statement. "It is difficult to conceive of a more anti-democratic and anti-conservative act than a federal intervention to overturn the results of state-certified elections and disenfranchise millions of Americans. The fact that this effort will fail does not mean it will not do significant damage to American democracy."

    Ryan asked fellow conservatives to think about the "precedent that it would set" and noted the Trump campaign's failed efforts in the court to challenge election results in a number of states. 

    "The Trump campaign had ample opportunity to challenge election results, and those efforts failed from lack of evidence. The legal process was exhausted, and the results were decisively confirmed," he added. "The Department of Justice, too, found no basis for overturning the result. If states wish to reform their processes for future elections, that is their prerogative. But Joe Biden’s victory is entirely legitimate."

    Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., was the first senator to announce plans to object to the electoral vote count. Since then, a batch of 11 GOP senators joined in a similar effort, vowing to object to the certification of Biden's win when Congress meets in a joint session on Wednesday if an election commission was not formed to investigate the election and claims of fraud. 

    While the effort to overturn results is doomed to fail, the objections will launch a dramatic and lengthy process that includes two hours of debate and a vote in each chamber for each state that is challenged. 

    The process is likely to stretch into an all-day event that will start the new Congress off with a divisive political battle. 

    Ryan, who ran as the Republican party's nominee for vice president on the ticket with Sen. Mitt Romney in 2012, has rarely spoken out since leaving office. He was often a target of Trump while serving in the House and continued to receive scorn even after leaving the House. 

    In one of his only other notable remarks since departing Washington, Ryan was quoted in "American Carnage," a 2019 book by Politico reporter Tim Alberta, as saying that Trump didn't know "anything about government" and retirement was an "escape hatch" because he couldn't stand another two years with Trump as president. 

    Trump has said that Republicans like Ryan "almost killed" the party, calling him "weak, ineffective & stupid." The president has also called Ryan a "baby" and said he "couldn't get him out of Congress fast enough."

    Ryan has remained mum on responding to many of Trump's attacks, trying to stay out of the fray even as his friend and former running mate Romney became Trump's No. 1 GOP target. In late November, Ryan reportedly called for Trump to concede and drop his lawsuits, telling virtual banking conference attendees Trump's campaign was offering "baseless conspiracy theories."


    yeah, they all miraculously grow a spine once they are immune to trump's attacks on their political welfare. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,643
    Who’s excited for 2024?



    He looks like a fat Elvis impersonator in that photo.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 221
    mickeyrat said:
     

    Paul Ryan excoriates planned GOP effort to challenge Biden's Electoral College win as 'anti-democratic and anti-conservative'

    WASHINGTON – Former House Speaker Paul Ryan excoriated fellow Republicans Sunday in a rare statement that called planned GOP efforts to challenge President-elect Joe Biden's win "anti-democratic and anti-conservative." 

    Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin who served as House Speaker from 2015 to 2019, has seldom weighed in on events since leaving office, but issued a lengthy statement decrying Republican plans to object to certifying the Electoral College results in a joint session of Congress on Wednesday. Twelve incoming and sitting Republican senators and dozens of GOP House members plan to object to the count over President Donald Trump's baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. 

    "Efforts to reject the votes of the Electoral College and sow doubt about Joe Biden’s victory strike at the foundation of our republic," Ryan said in a statement. "It is difficult to conceive of a more anti-democratic and anti-conservative act than a federal intervention to overturn the results of state-certified elections and disenfranchise millions of Americans. The fact that this effort will fail does not mean it will not do significant damage to American democracy."

    Ryan asked fellow conservatives to think about the "precedent that it would set" and noted the Trump campaign's failed efforts in the court to challenge election results in a number of states. 

    "The Trump campaign had ample opportunity to challenge election results, and those efforts failed from lack of evidence. The legal process was exhausted, and the results were decisively confirmed," he added. "The Department of Justice, too, found no basis for overturning the result. If states wish to reform their processes for future elections, that is their prerogative. But Joe Biden’s victory is entirely legitimate."

    Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., was the first senator to announce plans to object to the electoral vote count. Since then, a batch of 11 GOP senators joined in a similar effort, vowing to object to the certification of Biden's win when Congress meets in a joint session on Wednesday if an election commission was not formed to investigate the election and claims of fraud. 

    While the effort to overturn results is doomed to fail, the objections will launch a dramatic and lengthy process that includes two hours of debate and a vote in each chamber for each state that is challenged. 

    The process is likely to stretch into an all-day event that will start the new Congress off with a divisive political battle. 

    Ryan, who ran as the Republican party's nominee for vice president on the ticket with Sen. Mitt Romney in 2012, has rarely spoken out since leaving office. He was often a target of Trump while serving in the House and continued to receive scorn even after leaving the House. 

    In one of his only other notable remarks since departing Washington, Ryan was quoted in "American Carnage," a 2019 book by Politico reporter Tim Alberta, as saying that Trump didn't know "anything about government" and retirement was an "escape hatch" because he couldn't stand another two years with Trump as president. 

    Trump has said that Republicans like Ryan "almost killed" the party, calling him "weak, ineffective & stupid." The president has also called Ryan a "baby" and said he "couldn't get him out of Congress fast enough."

    Ryan has remained mum on responding to many of Trump's attacks, trying to stay out of the fray even as his friend and former running mate Romney became Trump's No. 1 GOP target. In late November, Ryan reportedly called for Trump to concede and drop his lawsuits, telling virtual banking conference attendees Trump's campaign was offering "baseless conspiracy theories."


    yeah, they all miraculously grow a spine once they are immune to trump's attacks on their political welfare. 
    You’re absolutely correct. I’m not a Ryan fan but at least he got out when his wife told him you’re not working with or for trump. He should have, could have, been more vocal for the last 4 years but he like all the others are probably looking to return to politics one day. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    mickeyrat said:
     

    Paul Ryan excoriates planned GOP effort to challenge Biden's Electoral College win as 'anti-democratic and anti-conservative'

    WASHINGTON – Former House Speaker Paul Ryan excoriated fellow Republicans Sunday in a rare statement that called planned GOP efforts to challenge President-elect Joe Biden's win "anti-democratic and anti-conservative." 

    Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin who served as House Speaker from 2015 to 2019, has seldom weighed in on events since leaving office, but issued a lengthy statement decrying Republican plans to object to certifying the Electoral College results in a joint session of Congress on Wednesday. Twelve incoming and sitting Republican senators and dozens of GOP House members plan to object to the count over President Donald Trump's baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. 

    "Efforts to reject the votes of the Electoral College and sow doubt about Joe Biden’s victory strike at the foundation of our republic," Ryan said in a statement. "It is difficult to conceive of a more anti-democratic and anti-conservative act than a federal intervention to overturn the results of state-certified elections and disenfranchise millions of Americans. The fact that this effort will fail does not mean it will not do significant damage to American democracy."

    Ryan asked fellow conservatives to think about the "precedent that it would set" and noted the Trump campaign's failed efforts in the court to challenge election results in a number of states. 

    "The Trump campaign had ample opportunity to challenge election results, and those efforts failed from lack of evidence. The legal process was exhausted, and the results were decisively confirmed," he added. "The Department of Justice, too, found no basis for overturning the result. If states wish to reform their processes for future elections, that is their prerogative. But Joe Biden’s victory is entirely legitimate."

    Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., was the first senator to announce plans to object to the electoral vote count. Since then, a batch of 11 GOP senators joined in a similar effort, vowing to object to the certification of Biden's win when Congress meets in a joint session on Wednesday if an election commission was not formed to investigate the election and claims of fraud. 

    While the effort to overturn results is doomed to fail, the objections will launch a dramatic and lengthy process that includes two hours of debate and a vote in each chamber for each state that is challenged. 

    The process is likely to stretch into an all-day event that will start the new Congress off with a divisive political battle. 

    Ryan, who ran as the Republican party's nominee for vice president on the ticket with Sen. Mitt Romney in 2012, has rarely spoken out since leaving office. He was often a target of Trump while serving in the House and continued to receive scorn even after leaving the House. 

    In one of his only other notable remarks since departing Washington, Ryan was quoted in "American Carnage," a 2019 book by Politico reporter Tim Alberta, as saying that Trump didn't know "anything about government" and retirement was an "escape hatch" because he couldn't stand another two years with Trump as president. 

    Trump has said that Republicans like Ryan "almost killed" the party, calling him "weak, ineffective & stupid." The president has also called Ryan a "baby" and said he "couldn't get him out of Congress fast enough."

    Ryan has remained mum on responding to many of Trump's attacks, trying to stay out of the fray even as his friend and former running mate Romney became Trump's No. 1 GOP target. In late November, Ryan reportedly called for Trump to concede and drop his lawsuits, telling virtual banking conference attendees Trump's campaign was offering "baseless conspiracy theories."


    yeah, they all miraculously grow a spine once they are immune to trump's attacks on their political welfare. 
    You’re absolutely correct. I’m not a Ryan fan but at least he got out when his wife told him you’re not working with or for trump. He should have, could have, been more vocal for the last 4 years but he like all the others are probably looking to return to politics one day. 
    his wife "made" him quit? I hadn't heard that. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,559
    mickeyrat said:
     



    yeah, they all miraculously grow a spine once they are immune to trump's attacks on their political welfare. 
    You’re absolutely correct. I’m not a Ryan fan but at least he got out when his wife told him you’re not working with or for trump. He should have, could have, been more vocal for the last 4 years but he like all the others are probably looking to return to politics one day. 
    his wife "made" him quit? I hadn't heard that. 
    Nor had I. I don't necessarily applaud him (admittedly I'm biased because I can't stand him) but I appreciate him coming out and at least calling out the most seditious acts (that's the GOP bar for now).  

    For his legacy, quietly slinking out at a fairly young age will be a positive. At that time GOPers were either with Trump or they were retiring. There are too many compliant/cowardly/seditious people for history to care at all about those that quietly retired. Paul Ryan will not really be remembered for the Trump era.

    For his political ambitions, it's too early to tell whether his retirement will help or hurt. Right now it hurts (as evidenced by the fear that the GOP has of the Trump base pulling their support). In a good scenario, the GOP moves on from Trump and it serves him well. In a bad scenario, the GOP remains the Party of Trump and Ryan has no party or political future. 

    I hate Paul Ryan but I really miss hating people's awful politics instead of their awful treason.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    OnWis97 said:
    mickeyrat said:
     



    yeah, they all miraculously grow a spine once they are immune to trump's attacks on their political welfare. 
    You’re absolutely correct. I’m not a Ryan fan but at least he got out when his wife told him you’re not working with or for trump. He should have, could have, been more vocal for the last 4 years but he like all the others are probably looking to return to politics one day. 
    his wife "made" him quit? I hadn't heard that. 
    Nor had I. I don't necessarily applaud him (admittedly I'm biased because I can't stand him) but I appreciate him coming out and at least calling out the most seditious acts (that's the GOP bar for now).  

    For his legacy, quietly slinking out at a fairly young age will be a positive. At that time GOPers were either with Trump or they were retiring. There are too many compliant/cowardly/seditious people for history to care at all about those that quietly retired. Paul Ryan will not really be remembered for the Trump era.

    For his political ambitions, it's too early to tell whether his retirement will help or hurt. Right now it hurts (as evidenced by the fear that the GOP has of the Trump base pulling their support). In a good scenario, the GOP moves on from Trump and it serves him well. In a bad scenario, the GOP remains the Party of Trump and Ryan has no party or political future. 

    I hate Paul Ryan but I really miss hating people's awful politics instead of their awful treason.
    this is how much i paid attention to US politics prior to trump: I didn't know until about an hour ago that Ryan was Romney's VP pick. LOL
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,314
    this is the Trump Effect. Republicans, every single fucking time they lose, are going to cry foul and use every trick in the book to seize power. it's disgusting. we've been saying it for 4 years: TIME FOR DEMS TO GROW A PAIR AND FIGHT BACK

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,136
    Republicans are raging at Trump over their debacle. Their spin is nonsense. Opinion by Greg Sargent  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/06/republican-senate-debacle-mcconnell-spin/ 
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