2021 European Tour Announcement

drfox

PJNB said:

drfox said:

PJNB said:

Interesting about Pink Pop and obviously no guarantees but that date definitely has me wondering about Pearl Jam going for two festivals in in Europe this year and two in the US. You have to think Hyde Park is going for the week after this. I know the likely scenario is nothing happening this year but if anything were allowed to happen it will be outdoor shows though the numbers at these fests is huge. 

Hyde park has a 65,000 capacity so would be bigger than the Wrigley and Fenway shows

Exactly. If we were in a spot where no shows were announced and they wanted to do 20,000 in a 70,000 location I would be much more optimistic but if they are trying to run with the tickets and numbers that have sold already it is hard to think these will happen. I wonder if they are considering  to cancel all tickets and have another sale with limited numbers. Lots of fans would be pissed but if that is the only way to have shows this year then so be it imo. 

Agree. Not sure how many tickets they’ve sold this time. The original 2020 BST cancelled show sold out quite far in advance but these two haven’t sold out yet. I assume due to uncertainty, reluctance to travel and be in a crowd etc. Not sure how much has been sold. 

RatherStarved

I would think they aren’t going to play a 2/3 empty park.  I think it will come down to whether full scale shows can be done safely given vaccinations.  I love the fact that at least it appears they haven’t thrown in the towel quite yet.  

chalon

drfox said:

Fairly sure the Lollapalooza Paris is 100% cancelled as the French will not allow gatherings more than a certain size until after July. I think there’s only BST and Lollapalooza Sweden that are question marks?

There are a few US artists booked to play on the U.K. festivals that have been confirmed, but not many (eg QOTSA, Post Malone). 

This article from a couple of weeks ago made it seem like an announcement that Paris was not happening: https://www.sortiraparis.com/scenes/concerts-music/articles/126993-lollapalooza-paris-the-festival-adapts-and-provides-a-new-event-in-2021/lang/en but oddly the official website doesn't say anything yet.

Also the latest news is that Paris might be doing another lockdown as well, and with the really low vaccination rate in France it seems guaranteed the show isn't going on: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210317-france-set-to-announce-new-covid-19-measures-lockdown-possible-for-paris-region

PJNB

RatherStarved said:

I would think they aren’t going to play a 2/3 empty park.  I think it will come down to whether full scale shows can be done safely given vaccinations.  I love the fact that at least it appears they haven’t thrown in the towel quite yet.  

If they cancel the shows and move to a later date I would guess anything is open including new acts headlining at a reduced capacity. 

RatherStarved

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

I would think they aren’t going to play a 2/3 empty park.  I think it will come down to whether full scale shows can be done safely given vaccinations.  I love the fact that at least it appears they haven’t thrown in the towel quite yet.  

If they cancel the shows and move to a later date I would guess anything is open including new acts headlining at a reduced capacity. 

True. I meant PJ.

Gravey1975

PJNB said:

drfox said:

PJNB said:

Interesting about Pink Pop and obviously no guarantees but that date definitely has me wondering about Pearl Jam going for two festivals in in Europe this year and two in the US. You have to think Hyde Park is going for the week after this. I know the likely scenario is nothing happening this year but if anything were allowed to happen it will be outdoor shows though the numbers at these fests is huge. 

Hyde park has a 65,000 capacity so would be bigger than the Wrigley and Fenway shows

Exactly. If we were in a spot where no shows were announced and they wanted to do 20,000 in a 70,000 location I would be much more optimistic but if they are trying to run with the tickets and numbers that have sold already it is hard to think these will happen. I wonder if they are considering  to cancel all tickets and have another sale with limited numbers. Lots of fans would be pissed but if that is the only way to have shows this year then so be it imo. 

Just to reiterate - when the BST shows are supposed to take place (post June 21) is at a point when the govt hopes that ALL social distancing regulations will be lifted. So it really is binary - either the UK is in a place where there are no social distancing regulations in place and BST can take place or the targets aren't met, some regulations are still being enforced, and the shows simply won't be allowed. So the number of attendees - 20,000 or 70,000 - is irrelevant in a way... certainly for music festivals, anyway.

For sports events there is a bit more leeway and they're trialling 10,000+ supporters at some sports events in the UK as early as May. But these are seated events so I think the hope is that they are easier to maintain distancing. It's simply impossible at festivals when everyone is busting to get as near to the stage as possible. 

Of course, the other issue for BST is that even if it CAN take place, there is still a big question mark over whether PJ can/will play regardless. But that's a whole other discussion. 

EMC77

drfox said:

PJNB said:

Interesting about Pink Pop and obviously no guarantees but that date definitely has me wondering about Pearl Jam going for two festivals in in Europe this year and two in the US. You have to think Hyde Park is going for the week after this. I know the likely scenario is nothing happening this year but if anything were allowed to happen it will be outdoor shows though the numbers at these fests is huge. 

Hyde park has a 65,000 capacity so would be bigger than the Wrigley and Fenway shows

What percentage of that 65000 people are form the UK? I mean, I have many friends in Spain with tickets for BST and they won't go cos they will not be vaccinated and adding 100-150 € to the trip to get a covid test is not an option. How many people will be in the same situation in other countries? I don't know...

Muffin The Mule

The date to claim a refund from Ten Club has now been put back to May 1st to allow time to review the situation in Europe.

FR181798

Even with vaccination things are going to be gradual. Dont think even 20,000 is likely in the UK by the end of June.

Even though they say no restrictions by then I think that there will be a very big caveat that there will be some common sense involved so small local events will get permission to go ahead but not 20,000 squashed together in front of a stage. I can see maybe some fans back into football stadiums for the Euros but not full capacity.

SOLAT319

that's cute how they think these shows can actually happen. 

Gravey1975

SOLAT319 said:

that's cute how they think these shows can actually happen. 

I happen to agree that the shows wont go ahead as planned, but I don't agree with mocking those that see the glass as half full. Each to their own, though.

Tjm007

SOLAT319 said:

that's cute how they think these shows can actually happen. 

By that date the Uk shows CAN happen. Whether they WILL happen is another story.

CB254133

Tjm007 said:

SOLAT319 said:

that's cute how they think these shows can actually happen. 

By that date the Uk shows CAN happen. Whether they WILL happen is another story.

I think that if BST can happen then it will happen, but what the event will look like or even who would be playing (as discussed many times would PJ play in the UK or come to Europe for just 2 shows) is another debate.
 
The UK (as well as many other countries) hospitality industry is on its knees and if social distancing restrictions have been lifted, and that is planned for 21 Jun (again I stress "if" and another debatable point), there is no way that the organisers will cancel the event or reduce the crowd numbers and issue refunds if they don't have to.

BlueLedbetter

UK now talking about vaccine certificate for entry to events not sure that's fair when not everyone will have had the opportunity to get one

RatherStarved

BlueLedbetter said:

UK now talking about vaccine certificate for entry to events not sure that's fair when not everyone will have had the opportunity to get one

That’s a good point and maybe argues for September by when at least most people will have had an opportunity.  It will still be unfair to some but probably not nearly as many as July.

Gravey1975

BlueLedbetter said:

UK now talking about vaccine certificate for entry to events not sure that's fair when not everyone will have had the opportunity to get one

From what I'd read, it sounds like the certificates would be proof that you've either been vaccinated or had a negative test, so even those that hadn't had the vaccinations could still get such a certificate. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/england-considering-covid-certificates-for-larger-events-after-lockdown/ar-BB1eKw3v?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ

Brisk.

Yay at queueing up for 6 hours to present your certificate then another 5 hours to go through airport style security just to see a show.

tino_11

Brisk. said:

Yay at queueing up for 6 hours to present your certificate then another 5 hours to go through airport style security just to see a show.

To be fair, I’d do that to see PJ this summer!

Weston1283

12 weeks until the Tour starts and it’s still on as of today.... starting to wonder if I should try and get plane tickets to Prague at this point...

RatherStarved

Weston1283 said:

12 weeks until the Tour starts and it’s still on as of today.... starting to wonder if I should try and get plane tickets to Prague at this point...

Um, no.