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    wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 585
    edited June 2020
    For me, it wasn't love at first listen, but that isn't to say that it's not a good album.

    My uncle told me that he thinks all of the songs sound the same (he's not a PJ fan, but listened to it for me, because he's the only music fan I can talk to, and have a more educated conversation with) and I see why he said that, but I have to disagree. 
    I think your uncle might need another listen.  I agree with you that this album might take a few listens... I think I really started to enjoy it on about listen #4.  But all songs sound the same???  "Dance of the Clairvoyants" sounds like "River Cross"?  "Quick Escape" sounds like "Buckle Up"?  "Whoever Said" sounds like "Alright"?  I don't get that criticism at all.  I'll give him this much... the singer sounds the same on all the tracks ;)
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    It’s fucking awesome.🤘🏻

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    mschostokmschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    Best since Yield. Fantastic album front to back, and as someone mentioned earlier, the sonics of the album are incredible - very well may be the band's "best sounding" album. 
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    jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,197
    It's really good. Several months in we can say its probably not going to be considered a masterpiece. Alright and Comes Then Goes are very skippable tracks. 
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    JPPJ84JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,440
    It's really good. Several months in we can say its probably not going to be considered a masterpiece. Alright and Comes Then Goes are very skippable tracks. 
    I respectfully disagree, love those songs
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    jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,197
    JPPJ84 said:
    It's really good. Several months in we can say its probably not going to be considered a masterpiece. Alright and Comes Then Goes are very skippable tracks. 
    I respectfully disagree, love those songs
    Everyone will disagree. Point is it isnt universally considered a start to finish no skip album. Which is the definition if a masterpiece.  Most people dont care for at least 1 to 3 tracks on this album. Those tracks will vary based on taste, and a few will love them all.
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    rahjiimrahjiim Posts: 129
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    rahjiim said:
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
    There are songs, even on PJ's best albums, people skip.

    This is either their best or one of their best albums in the last twenty years. Bottom line .
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    TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,457
    mschostok said:
    Best since Yield. Fantastic album front to back, and as someone mentioned earlier, the sonics of the album are incredible - very well may be the band's "best sounding" album. 



    Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,195
    rahjiim said:
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
    There are songs, even on PJ's best albums, people skip.

    This is either their best or one of their best albums in the last twenty years. Bottom line .
    I don't skip anything on VS.  Ten I skip Oceans which I always have.
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    I think Gigaton could be considered a late-career masterpiece, particularly when one realizes that PJ has been making music for 30 years. I'm not sure I can consider it a true masterpiece, because I like six other PJ studio albums better (Ten, Yield, Riot Act, No Code, Versus, and Vitalogy). Placing it right behind Vitalogy says a lot though! 
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    JPPJ84JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,440
    pjhawks said:
    rahjiim said:
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
    There are songs, even on PJ's best albums, people skip.

    This is either their best or one of their best albums in the last twenty years. Bottom line .
    I don't skip anything on VS.  Ten I skip Oceans which I always have.
     :o 
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    After my first listen, I was a little disappointed. I don't know if it's because I had a different vision of what it would be in my head or something. Anyway, after a couple of more listens to the full album, I just fell in love with it. It's pretty much all I've been listening to now and can't stop. I cannot wait to hear these songs live...someday!
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,195
    JPPJ84 said:
    pjhawks said:
    rahjiim said:
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
    There are songs, even on PJ's best albums, people skip.

    This is either their best or one of their best albums in the last twenty years. Bottom line .
    I don't skip anything on VS.  Ten I skip Oceans which I always have.
     :o 
    i've skipped oceans since I first got the cassette of Ten. One of my least favorite PJ songs.  just can't get into it.  thought it even sucked live.
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    JPPJ84JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,440
    pjhawks said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    pjhawks said:
    rahjiim said:
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
    There are songs, even on PJ's best albums, people skip.

    This is either their best or one of their best albums in the last twenty years. Bottom line .
    I don't skip anything on VS.  Ten I skip Oceans which I always have.
     :o 
    i've skipped oceans since I first got the cassette of Ten. One of my least favorite PJ songs.  just can't get into it.  thought it even sucked live.
    You’re weird ;)
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    pjhawks said:
    rahjiim said:
    Well, I don't really like buckle up, but so far I haven't skipped it. Which is remarkable these days. I'm trying to remember the last time that happened. 

    So which albums are usually considered masterpiece? Beatles Stg. Pepper? I'd skip 3-4 songs, but absolutely love the rest. Same with Exile on Main Street. Or Springsteen's Born to Run? I hate tenth avenue freeze-out. 
    There are songs, even on PJ's best albums, people skip.

    This is either their best or one of their best albums in the last twenty years. Bottom line .
    I don't skip anything on VS.  Ten I skip Oceans which I always have.
    I didn't say all albums. No Code is usually my favorite and they could have easily left Mankind off. 
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    rahjiimrahjiim Posts: 129
    I think Gigaton could be considered a late-career masterpiece, particularly when one realizes that PJ has been making music for 30 years. I'm not sure I can consider it a true masterpiece, because I like six other PJ studio albums better (Ten, Yield, Riot Act, No Code, Versus, and Vitalogy). Placing it right behind Vitalogy says a lot though! 
    Late career masterpiece sounds a bit depressing. My favourite album is Yield, but I'm not sure if that is a masterpiece. When it came out I skipped several songs I like now.

    I don't know what a masterpiece is anyway. Do criics tell us, or does everybody have their own? Besides all The great songs on Gigaton I love how they flow into each other. I haven't skipped anything, but neither have I hit shuffle yet. Just feels wrong. So for me the album aß a whole is a masterpiece. 
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    KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 897
    It's really good. Several months in we can say its probably not going to be considered a masterpiece. Alright and Comes Then Goes are very skippable tracks. 
    I literally skip to get to those songs. I’d say your right, excellent and masterpiece are different. It is excellent.
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,762
    I really have enjoyed this album. I have been listening to it a lot lately. 

    I really have been digging 7 O'clock and Comes Then Goes. And I still find DotC a fantastic change of pace for the band. 
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    CarryTheZeroCarryTheZero Posts: 2,132
    The album is just really fantastic. If a non fan asked me what are your favorite PJ songs ever or songs a newbie should listen to, i feel like this album has so many contenders.  

    DotC, Quick Escape, Alright, River Cross, the rest of the album!

     I just really like it and have to force myself to listen to other things.  To me, that’s a sign that this is one album that is going to stick around with me forever. Love it.
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    mschostokmschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    Does anybody else feel like Superblood Wolfman could almost be a Foo Fighters song? Not sure why I just thought of that but wanted to get others input 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    mschostok said:
    Does anybody else feel like Superblood Wolfman could almost be a Foo Fighters song? Not sure why I just thought of that but wanted to get others input 
    I could maybe see that.

    I will say that I was not a big fan of this song at the outset, but I now really like it. I like it's quirkiness. 
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    mschostokmschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    mschostok said:
    Does anybody else feel like Superblood Wolfman could almost be a Foo Fighters song? Not sure why I just thought of that but wanted to get others input 
    I could maybe see that.

    I will say that I was not a big fan of this song at the outset, but I now really like it. I like it's quirkiness. 
    Totally, it’s awesome - groovy, fun, and loud.
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    LiftedLifted Posts: 1,638
    I dont know about a masterpiece, but after 3 months of listening to it, im confident in saying it's a great album, and fits in nicely with their best work. At this point with lightning bolt and backspacer, the initial excitement of new pj had worn off and I accepted that to my ears, those albums were mediocre at best. I lost faith that pj had it in them to deliver an album of quality to match their their glory years which in my mind is the 91-2003 period.

    With gigaton they delivered. If this album finished as strong as the first 4 tracks start, I might be willing to call it a masterpiece. However, while I do find redeeming qualities in every track, it does get a little spotty in the back end.

    Id argue that who ever said is as good of a track as the band has every recorded.

    This album is only going to get better once these songs join the live rotation. Those first four tracks should be live staples for the years to come.
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    T-Bone 82T-Bone 82 Posts: 396
    Been listening every day since Day 1. I think it's an incredible record. If it hasn't faded by now in my rotation, it's a  winner!
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    mschostokmschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    T-Bone 82 said:
    Been listening every day since Day 1. I think it's an incredible record. If it hasn't faded by now in my rotation, it's a  winner!
    Totally, 3 months in and I'm still incessantly listening. I think I stopped listening to Lightning Bolt front to back after a week.
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    Lifted said:
    I dont know about a masterpiece, but after 3 months of listening to it, im confident in saying it's a great album, and fits in nicely with their best work. At this point with lightning bolt and backspacer, the initial excitement of new pj had worn off and I accepted that to my ears, those albums were mediocre at best. I lost faith that pj had it in them to deliver an album of quality to match their their glory years which in my mind is the 91-2003 period.

    With gigaton they delivered. If this album finished as strong as the first 4 tracks start, I might be willing to call it a masterpiece. However, while I do find redeeming qualities in every track, it does get a little spotty in the back end.

    Id argue that who ever said is as good of a track as the band has every recorded.

    This album is only going to get better once these songs join the live rotation. Those first four tracks should be live staples for the years to come.
    I am completely with you!


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    TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,457
    Lifted said:
    I dont know about a masterpiece, but after 3 months of listening to it, im confident in saying it's a great album, and fits in nicely with their best work. At this point with lightning bolt and backspacer, the initial excitement of new pj had worn off and I accepted that to my ears, those albums were mediocre at best. I lost faith that pj had it in them to deliver an album of quality to match their their glory years which in my mind is the 91-2003 period.

    With gigaton they delivered. If this album finished as strong as the first 4 tracks start, I might be willing to call it a masterpiece. However, while I do find redeeming qualities in every track, it does get a little spotty in the back end.

    Id argue that who ever said is as good of a track as the band has every recorded.

    This album is only going to get better once these songs join the live rotation. Those first four tracks should be live staples for the years to come.
    I am completely with you!


    Agree on all accounts. I'd add Seven O'clock to the staples rotation giving it 5 total which is outstanding. 
    I've been thinking about it's final ranking in my mind and I simply give it 41/2 out of 5 stars. Using the Rolling Stone magazine scale where 4 stars means Excellent and 5 means Classic. 
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    Gigaton was released exactly three months ago here in Germany, and I still can't get enough of it.
    This is the best ablum of the year for me so far, and the best Pearl Jam record since Yield.
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    joseph33joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,210
    halv said:
    I seem to be one of the few that love Buckle Up. Sure, it's not a classic, but I like the tenderness of it. It's like a lullaby. 
    You're not alone. I love this song.
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