The Joe Rogan Thread

TJ25487

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

mrussel1 said:

TJ25487 said:

cblock4life said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cblock4life said:

DewieCox said:

Gern Blansten said:

DewieCox said:

He wants Desantis. Not the W it appears to be.

I'll take Desantis over tRump 24/7 365....Desantis is a fucknut but he's nowhere near as deranged as tRump

I wouldn’t. If you think the “own the libs” mindset is scary now, just look how people have cheered his string of blatantly fascist acts over the last few months. 

Agree…..a smarter Trump is extremely dangerous.  I’m hoping that Liz Cheney will decide to run, that way if the reps win again she is tolerable and at least she hates trump.  Most are saying she won’t get the nomination over trump though. 

What’s more dangerous, a smarter POOTWH or a dick, like Deathsantis? From WaPo.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is having a moment. Pundits are suggesting that the Jan. 6 hearings, by exposing former president Donald Trump’s complicity in a coup attempt, will redound to DeSantis’s benefit in 2024. Already, a poll in New Hampshire shows DeSantis topping Trump. The question, from the standpoint of those of us who have a sentimental attachment to American democracy, is which man is a bigger threat to the republic? I found myself grappling with that issue as I read a long and enlightening profile of DeSantis by Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker.

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Filkins notes that, “while Trump, with his lazy, Barnumesque persona, projects a fundamental lack of seriousness, DeSantis has an intense work ethic, a formidable intelligence, and a granular understanding of policy. Articulate and fast on his feet, he has been described as Trump with a brain.” But do we really want a president who will work harder and more intelligently to implement a Trumpian agenda? Is it really better to have a president who is relentlessly focused on right-wing bugaboos such as critical race theory, transgender athletes, undocumented immigrants and “woke corporations” rather than one who is easily distracted into braggadocio about his golf game or his flooring?

Actually, the more I read about DeSantis, the more he reminds me not of Trump but of another disgraced Republican president. One of DeSantis’s Yale baseball teammates told Filkins he is really “smart” but deficient in interpersonal skills: “He has always loved embarrassing and humiliating people. I’m speaking for others — he was the biggest d---k we knew.” A former House colleague said of DeSantis: “He’s a little reclusive, a bit of an odd duck … but he’s just incredibly disciplined.”

I do think trump would be less inclined to do everything the GOP wants.  He likes to come up with his own stupid ideas….experimenting with disinfectant to cure covid, instigating a violent crowd to storm the capital.  But you’re right - DeSantis would be the end of the country for sure. Plus, he could be president for 8 years in a row, perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country. 

" perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country." 

By 2024 it wouldn't take him long at all after Biden gets done with it. 

Which law that Biden signed in the last two years is doing the most destruction to the country, would you say?  

That one from a few months ago. 

Here is my list of new Biden laws to answer KP a few days ago. Of course that never got a response from that member, perhaps TJ can step up to the plate?

1. Best US climate law ever. Yes there is a climate crisis 

2. Best semiconductor chip law ever. New USA manufacturing all over the states

3. New infrastructure law. Promised by trump for years and years, delivered by Biden.

4. Best gun safety law in nearly 30 years, supported by a majority of.....Republicans 

5. Medicare prescription drug cost decreases. Again promised by both sides for years, delivered by Biden.

6. Minimum tax on corporate profits for companies like Amazon who tell wall street they make billions, but never report taxable income. You probably pay taxes, why shouldn't billionaires?

7. Expanded health care and benefits for Veterans...promised by Republicans forever....delivered by Biden.

I'm always happy to help when available. 

1,2,4 - "Best" ? Did it actually say that in the bill? I don't think so. 

3) Trump tried to work with congress on infrastructure and they weren't having it. There was no way in hell the Dems and even some of the Republicans would allow a major  law get passed like immigration under Trump. It would empower him even further. 

5) Is this similar to Obamacare? We all know how that turned out. Rates went up. You couldn't always keep your doctor like promised and it put some insurance companies out of business or they just got out of the business. 

6) Not sure about that one so won't comment. 

7) The Vets are going to need more benefits after killing a bunch of them during the botched Afghan withdrawal. 

Please let me know when the “bigger, better, more beautiful, less expensive” repub plan to replace Obama care is implemented. 35 million ‘Muricans are counting on them.

We may very well be on our way to finding out the successor to Obummercare. It's called socialized medicine. 

Halifax2TheMax

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

mrussel1 said:

TJ25487 said:

cblock4life said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cblock4life said:

DewieCox said:

Gern Blansten said:

DewieCox said:

He wants Desantis. Not the W it appears to be.

I'll take Desantis over tRump 24/7 365....Desantis is a fucknut but he's nowhere near as deranged as tRump

I wouldn’t. If you think the “own the libs” mindset is scary now, just look how people have cheered his string of blatantly fascist acts over the last few months. 

Agree…..a smarter Trump is extremely dangerous.  I’m hoping that Liz Cheney will decide to run, that way if the reps win again she is tolerable and at least she hates trump.  Most are saying she won’t get the nomination over trump though. 

What’s more dangerous, a smarter POOTWH or a dick, like Deathsantis? From WaPo.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is having a moment. Pundits are suggesting that the Jan. 6 hearings, by exposing former president Donald Trump’s complicity in a coup attempt, will redound to DeSantis’s benefit in 2024. Already, a poll in New Hampshire shows DeSantis topping Trump. The question, from the standpoint of those of us who have a sentimental attachment to American democracy, is which man is a bigger threat to the republic? I found myself grappling with that issue as I read a long and enlightening profile of DeSantis by Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker.

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Filkins notes that, “while Trump, with his lazy, Barnumesque persona, projects a fundamental lack of seriousness, DeSantis has an intense work ethic, a formidable intelligence, and a granular understanding of policy. Articulate and fast on his feet, he has been described as Trump with a brain.” But do we really want a president who will work harder and more intelligently to implement a Trumpian agenda? Is it really better to have a president who is relentlessly focused on right-wing bugaboos such as critical race theory, transgender athletes, undocumented immigrants and “woke corporations” rather than one who is easily distracted into braggadocio about his golf game or his flooring?

Actually, the more I read about DeSantis, the more he reminds me not of Trump but of another disgraced Republican president. One of DeSantis’s Yale baseball teammates told Filkins he is really “smart” but deficient in interpersonal skills: “He has always loved embarrassing and humiliating people. I’m speaking for others — he was the biggest d---k we knew.” A former House colleague said of DeSantis: “He’s a little reclusive, a bit of an odd duck … but he’s just incredibly disciplined.”

I do think trump would be less inclined to do everything the GOP wants.  He likes to come up with his own stupid ideas….experimenting with disinfectant to cure covid, instigating a violent crowd to storm the capital.  But you’re right - DeSantis would be the end of the country for sure. Plus, he could be president for 8 years in a row, perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country. 

" perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country." 

By 2024 it wouldn't take him long at all after Biden gets done with it. 

Which law that Biden signed in the last two years is doing the most destruction to the country, would you say?  

That one from a few months ago. 

Here is my list of new Biden laws to answer KP a few days ago. Of course that never got a response from that member, perhaps TJ can step up to the plate?

1. Best US climate law ever. Yes there is a climate crisis 

2. Best semiconductor chip law ever. New USA manufacturing all over the states

3. New infrastructure law. Promised by trump for years and years, delivered by Biden.

4. Best gun safety law in nearly 30 years, supported by a majority of.....Republicans 

5. Medicare prescription drug cost decreases. Again promised by both sides for years, delivered by Biden.

6. Minimum tax on corporate profits for companies like Amazon who tell wall street they make billions, but never report taxable income. You probably pay taxes, why shouldn't billionaires?

7. Expanded health care and benefits for Veterans...promised by Republicans forever....delivered by Biden.

I'm always happy to help when available. 

1,2,4 - "Best" ? Did it actually say that in the bill? I don't think so. 

3) Trump tried to work with congress on infrastructure and they weren't having it. There was no way in hell the Dems and even some of the Republicans would allow a major  law get passed like immigration under Trump. It would empower him even further. 

5) Is this similar to Obamacare? We all know how that turned out. Rates went up. You couldn't always keep your doctor like promised and it put some insurance companies out of business or they just got out of the business. 

6) Not sure about that one so won't comment. 

7) The Vets are going to need more benefits after killing a bunch of them during the botched Afghan withdrawal. 

Please let me know when the “bigger, better, more beautiful, less expensive” repub plan to replace Obama care is implemented. 35 million ‘Muricans are counting on them.

We may very well be on our way to finding out the successor to Obummercare. It's called socialized medicine. 

Repubs are going to propose socialized medicine? They could have done that 12 years ago! What’s the holdup? And a trick question, how would you define Medicare as what type of “medicine?”

Lerxst1992

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

mrussel1 said:

TJ25487 said:

cblock4life said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cblock4life said:

DewieCox said:

Gern Blansten said:

DewieCox said:

He wants Desantis. Not the W it appears to be.

I'll take Desantis over tRump 24/7 365....Desantis is a fucknut but he's nowhere near as deranged as tRump

I wouldn’t. If you think the “own the libs” mindset is scary now, just look how people have cheered his string of blatantly fascist acts over the last few months. 

Agree…..a smarter Trump is extremely dangerous.  I’m hoping that Liz Cheney will decide to run, that way if the reps win again she is tolerable and at least she hates trump.  Most are saying she won’t get the nomination over trump though. 

What’s more dangerous, a smarter POOTWH or a dick, like Deathsantis? From WaPo.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is having a moment. Pundits are suggesting that the Jan. 6 hearings, by exposing former president Donald Trump’s complicity in a coup attempt, will redound to DeSantis’s benefit in 2024. Already, a poll in New Hampshire shows DeSantis topping Trump. The question, from the standpoint of those of us who have a sentimental attachment to American democracy, is which man is a bigger threat to the republic? I found myself grappling with that issue as I read a long and enlightening profile of DeSantis by Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker.

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Filkins notes that, “while Trump, with his lazy, Barnumesque persona, projects a fundamental lack of seriousness, DeSantis has an intense work ethic, a formidable intelligence, and a granular understanding of policy. Articulate and fast on his feet, he has been described as Trump with a brain.” But do we really want a president who will work harder and more intelligently to implement a Trumpian agenda? Is it really better to have a president who is relentlessly focused on right-wing bugaboos such as critical race theory, transgender athletes, undocumented immigrants and “woke corporations” rather than one who is easily distracted into braggadocio about his golf game or his flooring?

Actually, the more I read about DeSantis, the more he reminds me not of Trump but of another disgraced Republican president. One of DeSantis’s Yale baseball teammates told Filkins he is really “smart” but deficient in interpersonal skills: “He has always loved embarrassing and humiliating people. I’m speaking for others — he was the biggest d---k we knew.” A former House colleague said of DeSantis: “He’s a little reclusive, a bit of an odd duck … but he’s just incredibly disciplined.”

I do think trump would be less inclined to do everything the GOP wants.  He likes to come up with his own stupid ideas….experimenting with disinfectant to cure covid, instigating a violent crowd to storm the capital.  But you’re right - DeSantis would be the end of the country for sure. Plus, he could be president for 8 years in a row, perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country. 

" perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country." 

By 2024 it wouldn't take him long at all after Biden gets done with it. 

Which law that Biden signed in the last two years is doing the most destruction to the country, would you say?  

That one from a few months ago. 

Here is my list of new Biden laws to answer KP a few days ago. Of course that never got a response from that member, perhaps TJ can step up to the plate?

1. Best US climate law ever. Yes there is a climate crisis 

2. Best semiconductor chip law ever. New USA manufacturing all over the states

3. New infrastructure law. Promised by trump for years and years, delivered by Biden.

4. Best gun safety law in nearly 30 years, supported by a majority of.....Republicans 

5. Medicare prescription drug cost decreases. Again promised by both sides for years, delivered by Biden.

6. Minimum tax on corporate profits for companies like Amazon who tell wall street they make billions, but never report taxable income. You probably pay taxes, why shouldn't billionaires?

7. Expanded health care and benefits for Veterans...promised by Republicans forever....delivered by Biden.

I'm always happy to help when available. 

1,2,4 - "Best" ? Did it actually say that in the bill? I don't think so. 

3) Trump tried to work with congress on infrastructure and they weren't having it. There was no way in hell the Dems and even some of the Republicans would allow a major  law get passed like immigration under Trump. It would empower him even further. 

5) Is this similar to Obamacare? We all know how that turned out. Rates went up. You couldn't always keep your doctor like promised and it put some insurance companies out of business or they just got out of the business. 

6) Not sure about that one so won't comment. 

7) The Vets are going to need more benefits after killing a bunch of them during the botched Afghan withdrawal. 

Please let me know when the “bigger, better, more beautiful, less expensive” repub plan to replace Obama care is implemented. 35 million ‘Muricans are counting on them.

We may very well be on our way to finding out the successor to Obummercare. It's called socialized medicine. 

Lucky for conservatives, gerrymandering will make sure that socialized medicine never happens. 

I will take you up on #1 first. I said the best climate bill ever because a) it’s the biggest investment to date to try to save the climate, and b) it uses the carrot approach instead of the stick approach, meaning it offers incentives for companies to invest in renewables, instead of mandates and regulations. In the pre trump world, moderate republicans would have applauded this approach


Since Biden just gets attacked anyway as if this key law never happened, the trump republican brand is ONLY interested in a culture war and had zero interest in policies that will actually help us

mrussel1

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

mrussel1 said:

TJ25487 said:

cblock4life said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cblock4life said:

DewieCox said:

Gern Blansten said:

DewieCox said:

He wants Desantis. Not the W it appears to be.

I'll take Desantis over tRump 24/7 365....Desantis is a fucknut but he's nowhere near as deranged as tRump

I wouldn’t. If you think the “own the libs” mindset is scary now, just look how people have cheered his string of blatantly fascist acts over the last few months. 

Agree…..a smarter Trump is extremely dangerous.  I’m hoping that Liz Cheney will decide to run, that way if the reps win again she is tolerable and at least she hates trump.  Most are saying she won’t get the nomination over trump though. 

What’s more dangerous, a smarter POOTWH or a dick, like Deathsantis? From WaPo.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is having a moment. Pundits are suggesting that the Jan. 6 hearings, by exposing former president Donald Trump’s complicity in a coup attempt, will redound to DeSantis’s benefit in 2024. Already, a poll in New Hampshire shows DeSantis topping Trump. The question, from the standpoint of those of us who have a sentimental attachment to American democracy, is which man is a bigger threat to the republic? I found myself grappling with that issue as I read a long and enlightening profile of DeSantis by Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker.

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Filkins notes that, “while Trump, with his lazy, Barnumesque persona, projects a fundamental lack of seriousness, DeSantis has an intense work ethic, a formidable intelligence, and a granular understanding of policy. Articulate and fast on his feet, he has been described as Trump with a brain.” But do we really want a president who will work harder and more intelligently to implement a Trumpian agenda? Is it really better to have a president who is relentlessly focused on right-wing bugaboos such as critical race theory, transgender athletes, undocumented immigrants and “woke corporations” rather than one who is easily distracted into braggadocio about his golf game or his flooring?

Actually, the more I read about DeSantis, the more he reminds me not of Trump but of another disgraced Republican president. One of DeSantis’s Yale baseball teammates told Filkins he is really “smart” but deficient in interpersonal skills: “He has always loved embarrassing and humiliating people. I’m speaking for others — he was the biggest d---k we knew.” A former House colleague said of DeSantis: “He’s a little reclusive, a bit of an odd duck … but he’s just incredibly disciplined.”

I do think trump would be less inclined to do everything the GOP wants.  He likes to come up with his own stupid ideas….experimenting with disinfectant to cure covid, instigating a violent crowd to storm the capital.  But you’re right - DeSantis would be the end of the country for sure. Plus, he could be president for 8 years in a row, perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country. 

" perfect amount of time to destroy an entire country." 

By 2024 it wouldn't take him long at all after Biden gets done with it. 

Which law that Biden signed in the last two years is doing the most destruction to the country, would you say?  

That one from a few months ago. 

Here is my list of new Biden laws to answer KP a few days ago. Of course that never got a response from that member, perhaps TJ can step up to the plate?

1. Best US climate law ever. Yes there is a climate crisis 

2. Best semiconductor chip law ever. New USA manufacturing all over the states

3. New infrastructure law. Promised by trump for years and years, delivered by Biden.

4. Best gun safety law in nearly 30 years, supported by a majority of.....Republicans 

5. Medicare prescription drug cost decreases. Again promised by both sides for years, delivered by Biden.

6. Minimum tax on corporate profits for companies like Amazon who tell wall street they make billions, but never report taxable income. You probably pay taxes, why shouldn't billionaires?

7. Expanded health care and benefits for Veterans...promised by Republicans forever....delivered by Biden.

I'm always happy to help when available. 

1,2,4 - "Best" ? Did it actually say that in the bill? I don't think so. 

3) Trump tried to work with congress on infrastructure and they weren't having it. There was no way in hell the Dems and even some of the Republicans would allow a major  law get passed like immigration under Trump. It would empower him even further. 

5) Is this similar to Obamacare? We all know how that turned out. Rates went up. You couldn't always keep your doctor like promised and it put some insurance companies out of business or they just got out of the business. 

6) Not sure about that one so won't comment. 

7) The Vets are going to need more benefits after killing a bunch of them during the botched Afghan withdrawal. 

Please let me know when the “bigger, better, more beautiful, less expensive” repub plan to replace Obama care is implemented. 35 million ‘Muricans are counting on them.

We may very well be on our way to finding out the successor to Obummercare. It's called socialized medicine. 

Answer my question.  Which bill passed by congress, signed by Biden do you think is most destructive for America?  And explain why.  You're very informed on policy, so educate us. 

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Rogan is far from far right, or extreme. I'd put him in more of a libertarian bucket than anything. 

Dude endorsed trump over Biden. On what evidence does he base his opinion on? Which of those seven laws Biden signed posted above, some of which trump supported and failed to accomplish, would rogan say is a bad law?

Rogan panders the the right with zero accountability to truth and fact, with a very large audience. That makes him every bit as dangerous as a right wing extremist.

he didn't endorse trump. he clarified his comments that he wasn't propping trump up with that comment. he said he'd vote for an ape over both of them, from what I recall. 

he doesn't pander to the right exclusively. He panders to the anti-woke, which have more on the right than on the left, but many on the left as well. 

I haven't listened to him in months because he's an irresponsible blowhard that doesn't do enough research to back his claims. But he's not "far right". saying he's as dangerous as the far right, I'd say that's debatable, but he's not one of them. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Rogan is far from far right, or extreme. I'd put him in more of a libertarian bucket than anything. 

Dude endorsed trump over Biden. On what evidence does he base his opinion on? Which of those seven laws Biden signed posted above, some of which trump supported and failed to accomplish, would rogan say is a bad law?

Rogan panders the the right with zero accountability to truth and fact, with a very large audience. That makes him every bit as dangerous as a right wing extremist.

he didn't endorse trump. he clarified his comments that he wasn't propping trump up with that comment. he said he'd vote for an ape over both of them, from what I recall. 

he doesn't pander to the right exclusively. He panders to the anti-woke, which have more on the right than on the left, but many on the left as well. 

I haven't listened to him in months because he's an irresponsible blowhard that doesn't do enough research to back his claims. But he's not "far right". saying he's as dangerous as the far right, I'd say that's debatable, but he's not one of them.

Being a regressive, entitled white man... "anti-woke" is pretty damn accurate description of him (& his audience)  

HughFreakingDillon

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

I ageee he is a bully, I stopped watching Maher about a year ago, his never ending take on Covid and never ending criticism of woke culture became impossible for me to watch. Not that there weren’t real complaints on each, but Maher’s show became absolutist and one sided. 

 Also, that Rogan explanation that Biden is worse than an ape, not sure that’s helpful of him, funny, nor accurate. Biden and the Dems have a real record with solid legislative accomplishments, and if folks with a mic and audience perform like rogan, not sure we are ever going to get good leadership when ones with solid records get called worse than apes. That’s still pandering to his bro audience.

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

I ageee he is a bully, I stopped watching Maher about a year ago, his never ending take on Covid and never ending criticism of woke culture became impossible for me to watch. Not that there weren’t real complaints on each, but Maher’s show became absolutist and one sided. 

 Also, that Rogan explanation that Biden is worse than an ape, not sure that’s helpful of him, funny, nor accurate. Biden and the Dems have a real record with solid legislative accomplishments, and if folks with a mic and audience perform like rogan, not sure we are ever going to get good leadership when ones with solid records get called worse than apes. That’s still pandering to his bro audience.

he said that prior to the election. he believed the right wing talking poing that Biden was in severe cognitive decline. 

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

I ageee he is a bully, I stopped watching Maher about a year ago, his never ending take on Covid and never ending criticism of woke culture became impossible for me to watch. Not that there weren’t real complaints on each, but Maher’s show became absolutist and one sided. 

 Also, that Rogan explanation that Biden is worse than an ape, not sure that’s helpful of him, funny, nor accurate. Biden and the Dems have a real record with solid legislative accomplishments, and if folks with a mic and audience perform like rogan, not sure we are ever going to get good leadership when ones with solid records get called worse than apes. That’s still pandering to his bro audience.

he said that prior to the election. he believed the right wing talking poing that Biden was in severe cognitive decline. 

I am gonna take a wild guess and say rogan is not onboard with democratic accomplishments since Biden “won.”

HughFreakingDillon

probably not, I was just clarifying as the way your post was worded it seemed like you thought he said it more recently than he did. 

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

Halifax2TheMax

Nice guy. Keep spreading the hate, Joe.

Meet the woman behind Libs of TikTok, secretly fueling the right’s outrage machine

A popular Twitter account has morphed into a social media phenomenon, spreading anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment and shaping public discourse

On March 8, a Twitter account called Libs of TikTok posted a video of a woman teaching sex education to children in Kentucky, calling the woman in the video a “predator.” The next evening, the same clip was featured on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News program, prompting the host to ask, “When did our public schools, any schools, become what are essentially grooming centers for gender identity radicals?”

Libs of TikTok reposts a steady stream of TikTok videos and social media posts, primarily from LGBTQ+ people, often including incendiary framing designed to generate outrage. Videos shared from the account quickly find their way to the most influential names in right-wing media. The account has emerged as a powerful force on the Internet, shaping right-wing media, impacting anti-LGBTQ+ legislation and influencing millions by posting viral videos aimed at inciting outrage among the right.

The anonymous account’s impact is deep and far-reaching. Its content is amplified by high-profile media figures, politicians and right-wing influencers. Its tweets reach millions, with influence spreading far beyond its more than 648,000 Twitter followers. Libs of TikTok has become an agenda-setter in right-wing online discourse, and the content it surfaces shows a direct correlation with the recent push in legislation and rhetoric directly targeting the LGBTQ+ community.

“Libs of TikTok is basically acting as a wire service for the broader right-wing media ecosystem,” said Ari Drennen, LGBTQ program director for Media Matters, the progressive media watchdog group. “It’s been shaping public policy in a real way, and affecting teachers’ ability to feel safe in their classrooms.”

The account has been promoted by podcast host Joe Rogan, and it’s been featured in the New York Post, the Federalist, the Post Millennial and a slew of other right-wing news sites. Meghan McCain has retweeted it. The online influencer Glenn Greenwald has amplified it to his 1.8 million Twitter followers while calling himself the account’s “Godfather.” Last Thursday, the woman behind the account appeared anonymously on Tucker Carlson’s show to complain about being temporarily suspended for violating Twitter’s community guidelines. Fox News often creates news packages around the content that Libs of TikTok has surfaced.

“The role I’ve seen this account playing is finding new characters for right-wing propaganda,” said Gillian Branstetter, a media strategist for the ACLU. “It’s relying on the endless stream of content from TikTok and the Internet to cast any individual trans person as a new villain in their story.”

Throughout its increasingly popular posts and despite numerous media appearances, the account has remained anonymous. But the identity of the operator of Libs of TikTok is traceable through a complex online history and reveals someone who has been plugged into right-wing discourse for two years and is now helping to drive it.

An account in search of a voice — and a big break from Joe Rogan

Chaya Raichik had been working as a real estate salesperson in Brooklyn when, in early November 2020, she created the account that would eventually become Libs of TikTok.

Under her first handle @shaya69830552, she minimized covid, cast doubt on the election results and promoted a dubious story about a child sex trafficking ring. On Nov. 23, 2020, Raichik changed handles, this time going by @shaya_ray and identifying herself publicly as a real estate investor in Brooklyn. She began doubling down on election fraud conspiracies using QAnon-related language. Early that December, she joked about launching a clothing line titled “voter fraud is real.”

In January 2021, Raichik started talking about traveling to D.C. to support Trump on Jan. 6 at the Stop the Steal rally. When violence broke out at the Capitol that day, she tweeted a play-by-play account claiming to be on the ground. “They were rubber bullets from law enforcement. 1 hit right next to me,” she said. She posted videos from the crowd and spoke of tear gas being deployed nearby. After saying she left the riot, she used Twitter to downplay the event, claiming that it was peaceful compared to a “BLM protest.”

Later that month, Raichik cycled through two more Twitter names, this time focusing on state politicians. First under the handle @ChayaRaichik and the display name “Chaya Raichik,” and then under the new handle, @cuomomustgo, she railed against New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D), calling for him to resign. She promoted the efforts to recall California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D). She also began posting about Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), calling him “actually brilliant.”

By early last March, she pivoted to a parody account titled @houseplantpotus, pretending to tweet as if she was a houseplant living with President Biden. She revamped her avatar to look like a small shrub with Biden’s face on the leaves. At that point in time she also claimed to be proudly Orthodox Jewish, live in Brooklyn and work in real estate in her Twitter bio.

But the house plant parody never took off. On April 19, 2021, she pivoted her account once again, this time to Libs of TikTok.

Just four months after getting started, Libs of TikTok got its big break: Joe Rogan started promoting the account to the millions of listeners of his hit podcast. He mentioned it several times on the show in August, then again in late September. “Libs of TikTok is one of the greatest f---ing accounts of all time,” he said. With his seal of approval, Raichik’s following skyrocketed.

Libs of TikTok gained more prominence throughout the end of last year, cementing its spot in the right-wing media outrage cycle. Its attacks on the LGBTQ+ community also escalated. By January, Raichik’s page was leaning hard into “groomer” discourse, calling for any teacher who comes out as gay to their students to be “fired on the spot.”

Her anti-trans tweets went especially viral. She called on her followers to contact schools that were allowing “boys in the girls bathrooms” and pushed the false conspiracy theory that schools were installing litter boxes in bathrooms for children who identify as cats. She also purported that adults who teach children about LGBTQ+ identities are “abusive,” that being gender-nonconforming or an ally to the LGBTQ+ community is a “mental illness,” and referred to schools as “government run indoctrination camps” for the LGBTQ+ community.

“Libs of TikTok is shaping our entire political conversation about the rights of LGBTQ people to participate in society,” Drennen said. “It feels like they’re single-handedly taking us back a decade in terms of the public discourse around LGBTQ rights. It’s been like nothing we’ve ever really seen.”

By March, Libs of TikTok was directly impacting legislation. DeSantis’s press secretary Christina Pushaw credited the account with “opening her eyes” and informing her views on the state’s restrictive legislation that bans discussion of sexuality or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade, referred to by critics as the “don’t say gay” bill. She and Libs of TikTok have interacted with each other at least 138 times publicly, according to a report by Media Matters. When asked by The Post about her relationship with the account, Pushaw wrote, “I follow, like and retweet libsoftiktok. My interactions with that account are public," and added that she’s a strong supporter of its mission.

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Libs of TikTok has become central to right wing politics - The Washington Post

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And from the above, for those who don't think its serious or has an impact or that its just a couple of stoners discussing stuff.

“I see a shared spirit in Libs of TikTok, and the appetite for it in right-wing media more broadly, which is turning neighbor against neighbor and turning any individual into an enforcer of this very strict gender regime,” Branstetter said. “There’s a deep sense of paranoia this rhetoric inspires and is extremely volatile, it’s more than playing with fire. It inspires a vigilante spirit.”

Raichik boasts that several teachers have been fired as a result of being featured on the account.

Tyler Wrynn, a former English teacher in Oklahoma, posted a video telling LGBTQ kids shunned by their parents that Wrynn was “proud of them” and loved them; it was featured on Libs of TikTok last week. Since being featured on the page Wrynn has been barraged with harassment and death threats.

“I’ve always seen myself as the type of teacher to stand up for marginalized voices,” Wrynn said. “I see fellow teachers on TikTok speak out for our disenfranchised students and they’re getting the same sort of harassment too.”

The popularity of Libs of TikTok comes at a time when far-right communities across the Internet have begun doxing school officials and calling for their execution. Parents of LGBTQ+ youth have been driven out of their towns. Local school board members have reported death threats.

On a recent podcast, Raichik said that as her following continues to grow, the fullest extent of her impact may not be realized until the elections this fall. She has encouraged her audience to overtake school boards and run in local elections. “These people,” she said, referring to members of LGBTQ+ community, “some of them are literally evil and grooming kids, they should not be in schools, they should not be teachers.”

Members of the LGBTQ+ community who still attempt to use platforms like TikTok to educate people on gay or trans issues are subject to intense online abuse, causing a chilling effect. “[Libs of TikTok] is playing on fears and misunderstandings of who trans people are, while amping up extreme rhetoric and normalizing portraying queer people as inherently dangerous to children,” Branstetter said. “It’s hard to stoke moral panic without main characters, and the role Libs of TikTok is playing is finding those characters.”

lindamarie73

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

He lives in Austin Texas now and loves it silly.  He lived in California for a very long time…. got wise and got the Fuck out of that rotten brain infested cess pool.  

mrussel1

lindamarie73 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

He lives in Austin Texas now and loves it silly.  He lived in California for a very long time…. got wise and got the Fuck out of that rotten brain infested cess pool.  

Yeah I don’t think that’s right.  He lives in Beverly Hills.  Where did you read otherwise?

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

lindamarie73 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

He lives in Austin Texas now and loves it silly.  He lived in California for a very long time…. got wise and got the Fuck out of that rotten brain infested cess pool.  

Yeah I don’t think that’s right.  He lives in Beverly Hills.  Where did you read otherwise?

because Tesla is now based there? he is also registered to vote in Tx

lindamarie73

mrussel1 said:

lindamarie73 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

He lives in Austin Texas now and loves it silly.  He lived in California for a very long time…. got wise and got the Fuck out of that rotten brain infested cess pool.  

Yeah I don’t think that’s right.  He lives in Beverly Hills.  Where did you read otherwise?

From all the Fake news I read…lol.  I freaking luv this place!! 

 Kauai No ka ‘Oi

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

lindamarie73 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

He lives in Austin Texas now and loves it silly.  He lived in California for a very long time…. got wise and got the Fuck out of that rotten brain infested cess pool.  

Yeah I don’t think that’s right.  He lives in Beverly Hills.  Where did you read otherwise?

because Tesla is now based there? he is also registered to vote in Tx

I thought the statement was about Bill Maher not Musk.  

mrussel1

lindamarie73 said:

mrussel1 said:

lindamarie73 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

same with Bill Maher. he's an old man who says he's liberal but only in the 1990's liberal sense.he hasn't continued the progressive line like many of us; he only tolerates as much liberalism as he agreed with when he was 40. 

now he's just a POS bully that tries to pander to both sides (but attacking liberals more and more), insults both equally to try to keep his "impartial" status. he's just a fucking asshole. 

and he constantly shits on california. i'd like to see him live somewhere else and see how he likes it.

He lives in Austin Texas now and loves it silly.  He lived in California for a very long time…. got wise and got the Fuck out of that rotten brain infested cess pool.  

Yeah I don’t think that’s right.  He lives in Beverly Hills.  Where did you read otherwise?

From all the Fake news I read…lol.  I freaking luv this place!! 

 Kauai No ka ‘Oi

You don’t know how to communicate like a normal person.