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mrussel1

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

What an incredible election process we have. I imagine this is the first time that this ceremony has ever been televised with the possible exception of C-SPAN. How tedious, and only two months after the election.

i've never watched it until now. and hopefully never will again. until this year, i didn't even know this was the process. i'm guessing many of trump's "patriots" also had no clue. and maybe still don't. 

Nah, the same guy from shop class that was an epidemiologist most of this year was also secretly a constitutional lawyer. 

mcgruff10

Biden

Was Pennsylvania or any other states debated?

mrussel1

Biden

mcgruff10 said:

Was Pennsylvania or any other states debated?

PA

gimmesometruth27

Biden

to our non-american friends, i apologize. our elections are not usually as chaotic as this one.

this one was pretty lit tho.

OnWis97

Biden

mcgruff10 said:

Was Pennsylvania or any other states debated?

Arizona 

Bentleyspop

Biden

OnWis97 said:

What an incredible election process we have. I imagine this is the first time that this ceremony has ever been televised with the possible exception of C-SPAN. How tedious, and only two months after the election.

It's in the Constitution that it takes place on the 6th day of January. 

OnWis97

Biden

Bentleyspop said:

OnWis97 said:

What an incredible election process we have. I imagine this is the first time that this ceremony has ever been televised with the possible exception of C-SPAN. How tedious, and only two months after the election.

It's in the Constitution that it takes place on the 6th day of January. 

I’m aware of that.  It’s just so long, dragged-out, and tedious.  

Ledbetterman10

Biden

OnWis97 said:

Bentleyspop said:

OnWis97 said:

What an incredible election process we have. I imagine this is the first time that this ceremony has ever been televised with the possible exception of C-SPAN. How tedious, and only two months after the election.

It's in the Constitution that it takes place on the 6th day of January. 

I’m aware of that.  It’s just so long, dragged-out, and tedious.  

With the benefit of retrospect, and now seeing Trump go about things, it's pretty dumb that the election occurs, and then the new president takes office over three months later. Look at it from both perspectives. Imagine losing your job, but being expected to stick around for three months to help the new guy transition into your job? Or, imagine being someone who got hired for a job, but has to wait three months. Now sometimes that is the case; maybe you'll be subjected to background checks or training in the time between being hired and beginning work. But rarely will the guy you're replacing have the opportunity to undermine you as you're transitioning in.

Of course, these are Trump-specific problems. The most recent one-term presidents (Bush Sr. and Carter) didn't act like this towards the guy that beat them. Most people wouldn't. But if Trump can be president, anybody can, so something like this could happen again. 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

OnWis97 said:

Bentleyspop said:

OnWis97 said:

What an incredible election process we have. I imagine this is the first time that this ceremony has ever been televised with the possible exception of C-SPAN. How tedious, and only two months after the election.

It's in the Constitution that it takes place on the 6th day of January. 

I’m aware of that.  It’s just so long, dragged-out, and tedious.  

With the benefit of retrospect, and now seeing Trump go about things, it's pretty dumb that the election occurs, and then the new president takes office over three months later. Look at it from both perspectives. Imagine losing your job, but being expected to stick around for three months to help the new guy transition into your job? Or, imagine being someone who got hired for a job, but has to wait three months. Now sometimes that is the case; maybe you'll be subjected to background checks or training in the time between being hired and beginning work. But rarely will the guy you're replacing have the opportunity to undermine you as you're transitioning in.

Of course, these are Trump-specific problems. The most recent one-term presidents (Bush Sr. and Carter) didn't act like this towards the guy that beat them. Most people wouldn't. But if Trump can be president, anybody can, so something like this could happen again. 

i've been saying this for years. in a parliamentary system, you win the election, you're PM immediately. next day. 

it has never made sense to me to allow the loser to remain for 3 months. absolutelyt bizarre. 

MayDay10

Biden

under normal circumstances, functioning adults with some sense of duty and responsibility execute the transition.

There are a lot of moving parts to a transition.  Lots of preparation, staff, etc.  There are also the number of procedural hurdles to certify/verify the election.  

With that said, I would love the whole process to be shrunk down.  The presidential election shouldnt take 2+ years.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

6 weeks in canada. 6 weeks. 

what I find incredible in america is how people complain about the president golfing, but are ok with him travelling the country, campaigning for himself for 18 months, essentially not doing his day job. so if there's no campaigning, what else ya gonna do? might as well golf. 

Zod

HughFreakingDillon said:

6 weeks in canada. 6 weeks. 

what I find incredible in america is how people complain about the president golfing, but are ok with him travelling the country, campaigning for himself for 18 months, essentially not doing his day job. so if there's no campaigning, what else ya gonna do? might as well golf. 

I think the subtle difference is that here in Canada I don't think the old government sits in the house for those 6 weeks.  Once a Prime Minister wins the election they become the PM.  Then nothing happens until they choose the cabinet and the house resumes?

I always did find it odd that the old government sits in power for that length of time in the US.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

MayDay10 said:

under normal circumstances, functioning adults with some sense of duty and responsibility execute the transition.

There are a lot of moving parts to a transition.  Lots of preparation, staff, etc.  There are also the number of procedural hurdles to certify/verify the election.  

With that said, I would love the whole process to be shrunk down.  The presidential election shouldnt take 2+ years.

And the dumbest thing about that is that most of that time is spent during the primaries, which feature a lot of people that have no chance at winning the nomination. The actual campaign between the two general election candidates lasts only like four months. 

Think of how much money was wasted on the campaigns of people that didn't come close to sniffing the nomination. Kamala Harris spent $25 million and didn't win a single delegate. Michael Bloomberg spent a BILLION DOLLARS and all he won was American Samoa! 

Jearlpam0925

Biden

It's simple: Rank Choice Voting, campaign finance reform. These two movements alone would reduce the length of elections, the power of political parties.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Jearlpam0925 said:

It's simple: Rank Choice Voting, campaign finance reform. These two movements alone would reduce the length of elections, the power of political parties.

imagine if all the money donated to political parties went to actual charities. this is what has always astounded me. how much money people throw at politicians. maybe they do both, I don't know. but i have a suspicion that many of those people only give money to political causes, not philanthropic ones. 

Jearlpam0925

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

It's simple: Rank Choice Voting, campaign finance reform. These two movements alone would reduce the length of elections, the power of political parties.

imagine if all the money donated to political parties went to actual charities. this is what has always astounded me. how much money people throw at politicians. maybe they do both, I don't know. but i have a suspicion that many of those people only give money to political causes, not philanthropic ones. 

I can speak from personal experience. I do both, actually probably send more to campaigns. Because what I've personally realized is - until things change, and those that are The Haves are no longer punching down, that the only way to combat it is to give to public servants/candidates you believe in. Because it's where the real change can happen.

If we had solid representation, then we would have solid policies that wouldn't make a charity a charity. They would be a required service that all citizens can take advantage of without the charity fearing that they won't have the funding.

cutz

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Was Pennsylvania or any other states debated?

PA

Yes, PA. had an objection, but I don't think there was much of a debate about it. Senators  basically went in and and someone spoke for a few minutes and then they had the Vote(92-7).

Did the House have a long Debate?(I went to sleep)

mrussel1

Biden

cutz said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Was Pennsylvania or any other states debated?

PA

Yes, PA. had an objection, but I don't think there was much of a debate about it. Senators  basically went in and and someone spoke for a few minutes and then they had the Vote(92-7).

Did the House have a long Debate?(I went to sleep)

Connor Lamb brought the wood.  Then there was the altercation. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

i have been saying for years that we should not have a 2.5 year campaign for a 4 year job. it is just fucking insane.

brianlux

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

i have been saying for years that we should not have a 2.5 year campaign for a 4 year job. it is just fucking insane.

This!  Canada has it figured out, why can't we?