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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,329
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    static111 said:
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    JimmyV said:
    I don't even know what this database is. Did that come from Breitbart, too?
    Apparently opposition political research is third reich territory when done by a young progressive woman of color.
    And yes this theory originated amongst right wing publications
    So you tell us in your words what this accountability record is.  
    Again it looks like standard political opposition Reaearch to keep
    trump supporters from taking political office and not allow them to step away from their association with his hatred and bigotry.  
    Be more specific.  Who is owning the "list"?  Specifically what level of person going into it.  Give me a link or something from the left that goes into detail. 
    Please give me a link about the existence of such a list from anything but NYP that can establish any of the claims you have made about its existence or reason for existing.  This is like asking for something from joe Biden that goes into detail about the lap top from hell and him being a crime boss...it doesn’t exist. 
    I’m asking for a story about this from the left, not a link to the actual list.  I think you ere the person that said an Obama person was the one doing it.  That’s what I wanted to see.  So if you’re saying that AOC was simply reminding people to save tweets, that’s fair game.  You show your ass on social media with inflammatory tweets, then so be it.  Again, my concern is about blackballing staffers and voters from jobs, etc.  
    the only news outlet that ran with this story was New York post and it made a mountain of a mole hill.  They quote AOC saying to save the tweets so people can be held accountable.  Then They talk about a database that has nothing to do with her that was started by an Obama staffer for the purpose of basically political opposition Research.  No real news source has lent any credibility to this story, so there is no left source to corroborate anything. I’m just trying to combat disinfo.  So far a right leaning news source trying to whip everyone out of shape for telling people to remember who the Trump supporters are. All else is speculation. Staffers absolutely should be held to a higher standard than the electorate at large.   If you worked for trump you knew what you were signing up for..  If something changes and it comes out that AOC does have a list that she’s checking twice trying to find out who is naughty and who is nice that has nothing to do with politics I will eat my hat!
    fair enough
    I really hope nothing changes because I don’t think I would like the taste of hat

    we talkin a new hat or some old sweat stained ball cap?
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,065
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    static111 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I don't even know what this database is. Did that come from Breitbart, too?
    Apparently opposition political research is third reich territory when done by a young progressive woman of color.
    And yes this theory originated amongst right wing publications
    So you tell us in your words what this accountability record is.  
    Again it looks like standard political opposition Reaearch to keep
    trump supporters from taking political office and not allow them to step away from their association with his hatred and bigotry.  
    Be more specific.  Who is owning the "list"?  Specifically what level of person going into it.  Give me a link or something from the left that goes into detail. 
    Please give me a link about the existence of such a list from anything but NYP that can establish any of the claims you have made about its existence or reason for existing.  This is like asking for something from joe Biden that goes into detail about the lap top from hell and him being a crime boss...it doesn’t exist. 
    I’m asking for a story about this from the left, not a link to the actual list.  I think you ere the person that said an Obama person was the one doing it.  That’s what I wanted to see.  So if you’re saying that AOC was simply reminding people to save tweets, that’s fair game.  You show your ass on social media with inflammatory tweets, then so be it.  Again, my concern is about blackballing staffers and voters from jobs, etc.  
    the only news outlet that ran with this story was New York post and it made a mountain of a mole hill.  They quote AOC saying to save the tweets so people can be held accountable.  Then They talk about a database that has nothing to do with her that was started by an Obama staffer for the purpose of basically political opposition Research.  No real news source has lent any credibility to this story, so there is no left source to corroborate anything. I’m just trying to combat disinfo.  So far a right leaning news source trying to whip everyone out of shape for telling people to remember who the Trump supporters are. All else is speculation. Staffers absolutely should be held to a higher standard than the electorate at large.   If you worked for trump you knew what you were signing up for..  If something changes and it comes out that AOC does have a list that she’s checking twice trying to find out who is naughty and who is nice that has nothing to do with politics I will eat my hat!
    fair enough
    I really hope nothing changes because I don’t think I would like the taste of hat

    we talkin a new hat or some old sweat stained ball cap?
    8 year old detroit tigers fitted ball cap size 7 5/8. It’s nasty and needs to be retired and replaced
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,065
    Biden

    Scio me nihil scire

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    static111 said:

    Do you really want to have a discussion about how ridiculous, over the top, and in many cases, factually wrong this paper is?  Do you really think the conclusions, particularly that America is a "failed state" are true?  Does this writer even know what a failed state is?  If he has a different definition than the rest of the civilized world (which apparently my group isn't a part of), then he should share his made up one. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    JimmyV said:

    I love how this cartoon lumps a cop in the same category as the kkk and a redneck with a confederate shirt. Really demonstrates how some people fee about police.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    Because that cartoon is so off the mark, eh?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/us/arkansas-police-chief-violence-parler-invs/index.html
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Biden
    This is concerning.  Any guesses as to how this will be dealt with?:

    "Meanwhile, the refusal to acknowledge Biden’s win is hamstringing his ability to get his team in place. Emily Murphy, a Trump appointee at the General Services Administration, the agency in charge of signing the paperwork that gives a new administration access to office space and equipment as well as $9.9 million authorized for a presidential transition, has refused to sign paperwork enabling Biden and his team to begin the transition process. Once the transition begins, the new administration can begin to process disclosure and conflict-of-interest forms and get up to speed with ongoing government projects. But the GSA is refusing to allow a transition before Trump agrees that one is in order. Normally the transition begins the day after the election is called."





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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    mace1229 said:
    JimmyV said:

    I love how this cartoon lumps a cop in the same category as the kkk and a redneck with a confederate shirt. Really demonstrates how some people fee about police.
    I could be wrong, but I feel like there has been some problems with the police lately in the US. Like people being murdered and this movement called Black Lives Matter following that.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    I'm sitting this one out
    Y'all didnt even give kanye a chance...

    How could you be so heartless?




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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754
    mace1229 said:
    JimmyV said:

    I love how this cartoon lumps a cop in the same category as the kkk and a redneck with a confederate shirt. Really demonstrates how some people fee about police.

    Yup, people are opening their eyes.  

    https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/10/house-panel-examines-white-supremacy-in-law-enforcement/

    https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/28080-lcb231article2johnsonpdf

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law

  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mace1229 said:
    JimmyV said:

    I love how this cartoon lumps a cop in the same category as the kkk and a redneck with a confederate shirt. Really demonstrates how some people fee about police.
    If you look at the cartoon from a purely factual standpoint the group's on the left overwhelmingly support Democrats while the people on the right overwhelmingly support Republicans.

    The cartoon is inflammatory but sometimes that's the point of good political cartoons.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    Anybody else see the thin blue line flag where the blue line was sized to represent the number of police who are domestic abusers?
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,065
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:

    Do you really want to have a discussion about how ridiculous, over the top, and in many cases, factually wrong this paper is?  Do you really think the conclusions, particularly that America is a "failed state" are true?  Does this writer even know what a failed state is?  If he has a different definition than the rest of the civilized world (which apparently my group isn't a part of), then he should share his made up one. 
    Im gonna reread it and get back to you after work.  I saw the article as meant to be inflammatory and lead to discussion amongst us white people.  After a deeper reread I’m happy to have a discussion.  
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,065
    Biden

    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:

    Do you really want to have a discussion about how ridiculous, over the top, and in many cases, factually wrong this paper is?  Do you really think the conclusions, particularly that America is a "failed state" are true?  Does this writer even know what a failed state is?  If he has a different definition than the rest of the civilized world (which apparently my group isn't a part of), then he should share his made up one. 
    Im gonna reread it and get back to you after work.  I saw the article as meant to be inflammatory and lead to discussion amongst us white people.  After a deeper reread I’m happy to have a discussion.  
    Well it's definitely inflammatory.  It's also pretty racist.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    static111 said:

    No argument here.  
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mace1229 said:
    JimmyV said:

    I love how this cartoon lumps a cop in the same category as the kkk and a redneck with a confederate shirt. Really demonstrates how some people fee about police.

    This cartoon didn't do that.  They did that to themselves.  I mean, the FBI did an investigation and issued a report on it ~10 years ago. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    JimmyV said:

    I love how this cartoon lumps a cop in the same category as the kkk and a redneck with a confederate shirt. Really demonstrates how some people fee about police.

    This cartoon didn't do that.  They did that to themselves.  I mean, the FBI did an investigation and issued a report on it ~10 years ago. 
    Teh argument I would have is that every neo-confederate is a racist.  Every KKK is a racist, but not every cop.  
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    The cartoon shows the police on the side of the GOP, and indeed they are. The National Association of Police Organizations endorsed Trump.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,852
    Biden
    there are reports that Trump is going to go all out with scattershot court challenges, attempts to sway public opinion, and more rallies.

    Just awful.  25th him if he isnt interested in participating in our government

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