Chromebook or Windows?

Thoughts_Arrive

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I love the Mac OS but.
Plus Apple have great customer telephone tech support.
Windows meh...

I hate Mac OS.

How do you ctrl+x and ctrl+p a e.g. folder in Mac OS?

Not sure, Google it.

Thoughts_Arrive

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

HesCalledDyer

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I love the Mac OS but.
Plus Apple have great customer telephone tech support.
Windows meh...

I hate Mac OS.

How do you ctrl+x and ctrl+p a e.g. folder in Mac OS?

cmd+x, cmd+p

Lose control, take command!

HesCalledDyer

Thoughts_Arrive said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

I have Apple everything because I like simplicity.  I'll always use iPhone since switching over, but I'm never at urge to buy the newest one just because it's new.  I still run my shit to the ground, even if Apple doesn't want me to.  I like to proverbially squeeze every last drop of toothpaste from the tube!  I tried a Samsung phone with Android.  Not only is Android is the most god awful fucking mess I've ever seen in my life, the phone itself died one month after contract.  Like, completely died.

deadendp

HesCalledDyer said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

I have Apple everything because I like simplicity.  I'll always use iPhone since switching over, but I'm never at urge to buy the newest one just because it's new.  I still run my shit to the ground, even if Apple doesn't want me to.  I like to proverbially squeeze every last drop of toothpaste from the tube!  I tried a Samsung phone with Android.  Not only is Android is the most god awful fucking mess I've ever seen in my life, the phone itself died one month after contract.  Like, completely died.

Maybe it felt unloved? Samsung Galaxy owner forever here. 

Thoughts_Arrive

HesCalledDyer said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

I have Apple everything because I like simplicity.  I'll always use iPhone since switching over, but I'm never at urge to buy the newest one just because it's new.  I still run my shit to the ground, even if Apple doesn't want me to.  I like to proverbially squeeze every last drop of toothpaste from the tube!  I tried a Samsung phone with Android.  Not only is Android is the most god awful fucking mess I've ever seen in my life, the phone itself died one month after contract.  Like, completely died.

I've never had an issue with Galaxy. 

HesCalledDyer

deadendp said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

I have Apple everything because I like simplicity.  I'll always use iPhone since switching over, but I'm never at urge to buy the newest one just because it's new.  I still run my shit to the ground, even if Apple doesn't want me to.  I like to proverbially squeeze every last drop of toothpaste from the tube!  I tried a Samsung phone with Android.  Not only is Android is the most god awful fucking mess I've ever seen in my life, the phone itself died one month after contract.  Like, completely died.

Maybe it felt unloved? Samsung Galaxy owner forever here. 

I actually liked the phone itself.  Android on the other hand.   I still use my Galaxy earbuds with my iPhone because they are far superior to Apple's.

Spiritual_Chaos

HesCalledDyer said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

I have Apple everything because I like simplicity.  I'll always use iPhone since switching over, but I'm never at urge to buy the newest one just because it's new.  I still run my shit to the ground, even if Apple doesn't want me to.  I like to proverbially squeeze every last drop of toothpaste from the tube!  I tried a Samsung phone with Android.  Not only is Android is the most god awful fucking mess I've ever seen in my life, the phone itself died one month after contract.  Like, completely died.

And my iPhone SE's mic dropped down 75% in volume after my warranty period was over.
And the home button on the bottow completely died, so I have to use that digital button.

And at the same time, it has a 3,5mm plug so don't want to buy a new one.

Tech man. Tech.

HesCalledDyer

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Big fan of Apple products here, well, sorta. We'll get to that. Bought an iMac in 2006 for $1500 and it's still running.  I don't use it but it still works and provides me with an iTunes backup of my current iMac (a late 2013 model I bought new in 2015).  From 1998-2004 I bought three Dell computers at an average cost of $1200 each.  They lasted about 2 years each before they were just flat-out unusable.  This was including upgrading items in the process, thus spending more money.  The only money I spent on my iMac was adding RAM (bc fuck Apple's RAM prices!) and a SuperDrive replacement ($100).  Boot times of my previous two computers:

'06 iMac in 2006 - 30 sec

'06 iMac in 2020 - 30 sec

'04 Dell in 2004 - 1 minute

'04 Dell in 2006 - 8 minutes

Maybe I'm a rare case, but I've gotten a much better investment in one Apple computer that outlasted 3 Dells combined more than twofold.  Mind you, I'm no computer dummy.  I know how to properly take care of & monitor my computers' performances.  With a Mac, this is painless.  Don't install anything you don't want to install. With Windows, always had to have virus scanner software, firewall software, uninstaller software in case something accidentally or unknowingly got through, etc.  I want to turn the computer on and use it, not perform 20 minutes worth of maintenance checks every day before I do anything.

I switched to Apple from Windows in 2006 because Apple made products that "just worked" (I know all the Apple haters love that one!) and they lasted.  And you'd buy one again in 10-12 years because of that experience.  More bang for the buck.

Then, Steve Jobs died.  This is that part I said I'd get to.

Apple has since been less about making long-lasting, just-working products and is now just another garbage tech company pushing out less than stellar products that not only bug out and operate counter-intuitively, but Apple also forces obsolescence upon when the machine is still more than fully capable of handling current software.  A recent example of this is the phasing out of iOS support for the iPhone 5c.  The 5c has the exact same inner workings as a 6s, which is still supported by the current iOS version. No reason the 5c can't have iOS 13 except that Apple just won't allow it.

This is what really pisses me off with the current Apple model. They've gone from retaining customers with quality products to simply training the masses they need the newest, shiniest iThing every time the newest, shiniest iThing comes out.  Good for Apple, they spit out a new, uncreative model and everyone buys it.  Terrible for consumers, because, yes, we get shiny new things often, but there's a lack of innovation, quality, & resilience that existed when Jobs was alive.  Bottom line is, Tim Cook is just another greedy billionaire who only cares about the bottom line, not providing quality products and care.

Yeah my boot times are so fast compared to my Windows devices I've had before switching to Apple.
Never going back to Windows. They lost me for good with their free Windows upgrade which was forced upon me and which messed up my PC rendering it unusable. Everyone I know that has a MacBook Pro does not say a bad thing about them.

As for Apple's iPhones, that is a different matter. They force you to buy the new phone with their software upgrades. I have never had an iPhone and do not intend to. I just hope they don't mess things up with their MacBook Pro's as they are pricey (starting from $2000 AUD here).

I have Apple everything because I like simplicity.  I'll always use iPhone since switching over, but I'm never at urge to buy the newest one just because it's new.  I still run my shit to the ground, even if Apple doesn't want me to.  I like to proverbially squeeze every last drop of toothpaste from the tube!  I tried a Samsung phone with Android.  Not only is Android is the most god awful fucking mess I've ever seen in my life, the phone itself died one month after contract.  Like, completely died.

And my iPhone SE's mic dropped down 75% in volume after my warranty period was over.
And the home button on the bottow completely died, so I have to use that digital button.

And at the same time, it has a 3,5mm plug so don't want to buy a new one.

Tech man. Tech.

They're all screwing us over for cash that we know better than to spend! Yet we do it anyway.

angry_skull

This imac is running pretty well 10 years in.

But I'd say get her a Chromebook.