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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:

    To me, this signals the beginning of the end.  Unvaxxed folks haven't been wearing masks anyways, so no change there.  Sounds like we are getting to the point I would like to see.  If you want to wear a mask, wear one.  If not, don't.  

    Will be interested to see if Biden will go around without one now.  I mean, he shouldn't....  Right?!

    Assuming the passports become a big nothing burger, looks like the end folks.  And by passport, I meant traveling within the states.  I understand each country requires different things and that's fine, but I shouldn't have to prove I am vaxxed to go to Kentucky when I live a stone's throw from the state line.  Or I shouldn't have to provide one to board a plane when people have been boarding planes the whole pandemic!

    Assuming this is the end, it's been real, and it's been fun, it just hasn't been real fun...  Stay safe all and may God bless each of you!
    If Pearl Jam follows Dead and Co and does this, would you still not take the vaccine?

    “”*REQUIRED* I understand for all dates on Dead & Company’s 2021 Tour, proof of COVID-19 Vaccination will be required by the Event Organizer to gain entry to the GA Pit. Please keep this in mind before purchasing GA Pit tickets. If a GA Pit ticketholder does not have documentation, they will be provided an alternate viewing location. There are no exceptions to this policy.“”
    Hell Yes. Fuck everyone else if they want to put themselves at risk. I wish every place/sports venue would do this as well. 
    But what's the point? If you are at an indoor event and vaccinated, why does it matter if the person next to you isn't? I know businesses can operate how they want, but this seems like a stance that doesn't have a whole lot of purpose behind it besides appeasing the pro-vax crowd. 
    Because if more and more places do this, I would think there is a greater incentive for the idiot anti vaxers to get one. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,000
    mickeyrat said:

    To me, this signals the beginning of the end.  Unvaxxed folks haven't been wearing masks anyways, so no change there.  Sounds like we are getting to the point I would like to see.  If you want to wear a mask, wear one.  If not, don't.  

    Will be interested to see if Biden will go around without one now.  I mean, he shouldn't....  Right?!

    Assuming the passports become a big nothing burger, looks like the end folks.  And by passport, I meant traveling within the states.  I understand each country requires different things and that's fine, but I shouldn't have to prove I am vaxxed to go to Kentucky when I live a stone's throw from the state line.  Or I shouldn't have to provide one to board a plane when people have been boarding planes the whole pandemic!

    Assuming this is the end, it's been real, and it's been fun, it just hasn't been real fun...  Stay safe all and may God bless each of you!
    If Pearl Jam follows Dead and Co and does this, would you still not take the vaccine?

    “”*REQUIRED* I understand for all dates on Dead & Company’s 2021 Tour, proof of COVID-19 Vaccination will be required by the Event Organizer to gain entry to the GA Pit. Please keep this in mind before purchasing GA Pit tickets. If a GA Pit ticketholder does not have documentation, they will be provided an alternate viewing location. There are no exceptions to this policy.“”
    And if they show up without proof of vax as required, they should be seated behind a post or rear stage with lights on them the whole show. Put that in the fine print.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...





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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,000
    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...


    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha fucking ha! Maybe you'd like to tell that Canadian family how fucking funny it is, you know the one. Yea, total fucking joke.

    More than
    583,000
    people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.

    More than 32,825,000 cases have been reported.

    Data as of May 13 at 5:30 p.m.
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  • josevolution
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    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...


    Pathetic!
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited May 2021
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:

    To me, this signals the beginning of the end.  Unvaxxed folks haven't been wearing masks anyways, so no change there.  Sounds like we are getting to the point I would like to see.  If you want to wear a mask, wear one.  If not, don't.  

    Will be interested to see if Biden will go around without one now.  I mean, he shouldn't....  Right?!

    Assuming the passports become a big nothing burger, looks like the end folks.  And by passport, I meant traveling within the states.  I understand each country requires different things and that's fine, but I shouldn't have to prove I am vaxxed to go to Kentucky when I live a stone's throw from the state line.  Or I shouldn't have to provide one to board a plane when people have been boarding planes the whole pandemic!

    Assuming this is the end, it's been real, and it's been fun, it just hasn't been real fun...  Stay safe all and may God bless each of you!
    If Pearl Jam follows Dead and Co and does this, would you still not take the vaccine?

    “”*REQUIRED* I understand for all dates on Dead & Company’s 2021 Tour, proof of COVID-19 Vaccination will be required by the Event Organizer to gain entry to the GA Pit. Please keep this in mind before purchasing GA Pit tickets. If a GA Pit ticketholder does not have documentation, they will be provided an alternate viewing location. There are no exceptions to this policy.“”
    Hell Yes. Fuck everyone else if they want to put themselves at risk. I wish every place/sports venue would do this as well. 
    But what's the point? If you are at an indoor event and vaccinated, why does it matter if the person next to you isn't? I know businesses can operate how they want, but this seems like a stance that doesn't have a whole lot of purpose behind it besides appeasing the pro-vax crowd. 
    You didn't know?  He/She/They got the shot and wear the mask to not be selfish assholes but in the same breath "Fuck everyone else if they want to put themselves at risk.".
    At some point, it will/should be about non-vaccinated people protecting themselves. We all do it (protect ourselves) to varying degrees, in a myriad of situations. If someone chooses to not do so - or can’t - yeah, I won’t be the self-centered dick saying “fuck them” when I’m masked.  Out of concern for and consideration of them. 

    I may, however, shake my head at those who put their hands over their eyes and ears and simply REFUSE to get it. 
    Post edited by hedonist on
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,396
    That guy is great. His Ikea video was awesome.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...


    You have no credibility, you have no arguments, you have no compassion, you have no comprehension, you have no vision, you have no alternatives, you even have no original insults (instead stooping to mocking someone with a speech impediment). Thankfully, you and your cluster of folks who believe what you do, have no say in anything that matters - literally, nothing. As a Republican, even your representatives don't care to represent you (unless it happens to align with a monetary opportunity to enrich themselves). 

    Enjoy the next roughly four years of continued liberal oppression :) 


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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...


    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha fucking ha! Maybe you'd like to tell that Canadian family how fucking funny it is, you know the one. Yea, total fucking joke.

    More than
    583,000
    people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.

    More than 32,825,000 cases have been reported.

    Data as of May 13 at 5:30 p.m.
    Maxi, buddy, step off the ledge man.  I get that when you leave the house it is going to be a tough decision for you on wether to mask or not, but don’t take that out on me.  You missed a key word in what I wrote... See it yet...  Reaction...  Our reaction to the virus was a joke and still is, but I know none of y’all will ever admit it.  Also, it’s possible to have compassion for that family and still think the whole reaction has been a joke.  
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    hedonist said:
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:

    To me, this signals the beginning of the end.  Unvaxxed folks haven't been wearing masks anyways, so no change there.  Sounds like we are getting to the point I would like to see.  If you want to wear a mask, wear one.  If not, don't.  

    Will be interested to see if Biden will go around without one now.  I mean, he shouldn't....  Right?!

    Assuming the passports become a big nothing burger, looks like the end folks.  And by passport, I meant traveling within the states.  I understand each country requires different things and that's fine, but I shouldn't have to prove I am vaxxed to go to Kentucky when I live a stone's throw from the state line.  Or I shouldn't have to provide one to board a plane when people have been boarding planes the whole pandemic!

    Assuming this is the end, it's been real, and it's been fun, it just hasn't been real fun...  Stay safe all and may God bless each of you!
    If Pearl Jam follows Dead and Co and does this, would you still not take the vaccine?

    “”*REQUIRED* I understand for all dates on Dead & Company’s 2021 Tour, proof of COVID-19 Vaccination will be required by the Event Organizer to gain entry to the GA Pit. Please keep this in mind before purchasing GA Pit tickets. If a GA Pit ticketholder does not have documentation, they will be provided an alternate viewing location. There are no exceptions to this policy.“”
    Hell Yes. Fuck everyone else if they want to put themselves at risk. I wish every place/sports venue would do this as well. 
    But what's the point? If you are at an indoor event and vaccinated, why does it matter if the person next to you isn't? I know businesses can operate how they want, but this seems like a stance that doesn't have a whole lot of purpose behind it besides appeasing the pro-vax crowd. 
    You didn't know?  He/She/They got the shot and wear the mask to not be selfish assholes but in the same breath "Fuck everyone else if they want to put themselves at risk.".
    At some point, it will/should be about non-vaccinated people protecting themselves. We all do it (protect ourselves) to varying degrees, in a myriad of situations. If someone chooses to not do so - or can’t - yeah, I won’t be the self-centered dick saying “fuck them” when I’m masked.  Out of concern for and consideration of them. 

    I may, however, shake my head at those who put their hands over their eyes and ears and simply REFUSE to get it. 
    Yeah, call me a dick if you want, but I have no problem saying "fuck 'em." Lol. Sorry. The tools are available for anyone who wants them now. If you choose not to get a vax and then not to wear a mask and then end up getting the virus and spend a few days in the hospital, like my buddy from college did before the vax was out, as a result.....you're fucking stupid. I don't feel bad for those folks at all. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,000
    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...


    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha fucking ha! Maybe you'd like to tell that Canadian family how fucking funny it is, you know the one. Yea, total fucking joke.

    More than
    583,000
    people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.

    More than 32,825,000 cases have been reported.

    Data as of May 13 at 5:30 p.m.
    Maxi, buddy, step off the ledge man.  I get that when you leave the house it is going to be a tough decision for you on wether to mask or not, but don’t take that out on me.  You missed a key word in what I wrote... See it yet...  Reaction...  Our reaction to the virus was a joke and still is, but I know none of y’all will ever admit it.  Also, it’s possible to have compassion for that family and still think the whole reaction has been a joke.  
    Then you think 583,000 deaths is a joke, as well as the one that you feign compassion for. Our “reaction” may have prevented untold 100,000s of deaths but to you, “it’s a joke.”

    Why do you care if I wear a mask or not? If I do, does it threaten you in some way? Is your manhood threatened? Maybe your freedumb? Like Fucker Carlson, you’re a victim of abuse?

    Living your life yet? Taking the family to India to give them an up close and personal experience to herd immunity and what the correct “reaction” should look like? Sure, sure you are.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Where's all my "the science" folks at?  Where's all the "Muh the vaccine is not 100% effective which is why I wear the mask" people at?  Seem like "the science" now says be Vaxx-ED or masked?  Golly gee, anyone want to admit the reaction to the virus was not a total joke yet, or no?  Sure hard to put the spilled milk back into the containter...


    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha fucking ha! Maybe you'd like to tell that Canadian family how fucking funny it is, you know the one. Yea, total fucking joke.

    More than
    583,000
    people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.

    More than 32,825,000 cases have been reported.

    Data as of May 13 at 5:30 p.m.
    Maxi, buddy, step off the ledge man.  I get that when you leave the house it is going to be a tough decision for you on wether to mask or not, but don’t take that out on me.  You missed a key word in what I wrote... See it yet...  Reaction...  Our reaction to the virus was a joke and still is, but I know none of y’all will ever admit it.  Also, it’s possible to have compassion for that family and still think the whole reaction has been a joke.  

    You're right, our reaction to the virus was a joke.

    Primarily due to people like you.
  • Kat
    Kat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,955
    It is very good news that mask-wearing if you are vaxxed is not always necessary. Since I have an underlying condition, I'll be using my mask when I feel it's best. Be safe all. :)
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  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 3,126
    Please remember the Posting Guidelines. Be nice. Discuss, disagree and debate politely.
    Discuss the topic, not the people discussing the topic.
    Thank you and please take good care of each other.

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Sea’s all business.

    Keep safe, Kat. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    edited May 2021
    hedonist said:
    Sea’s all business.

    Keep safe, Kat. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    So Bill Maher serves as a good example of the vaccine and questions surrounding it. He tested positive for COVID after getting the vaccine. As you'd expect, he doesn't feel sick at all, showing the vaccine does work. But if he wasn't tested, he wouldn't have ever known. He just had to be tested so he can do his TV show. So many of us that are vaccinated are probably walking around with the virus, and don't know it because we're not going to be getting tested. And the CDC's new guidelines very much suggest that it's now up to the unvaccinated to protect themselves. 
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    Was out and about several places today.....we wore our masks but could at least take a breather break without getting the “plague” when we exited stores. Everyone was still wearing a mask but telling people they were vaccinated also to ensure others didn’t think they were just jerks not getting vaccinated.  This seems to have caused some confusion (so what else is new). Think I’m gonna have my masks say “vaccinated but still care” to help avoid confusion. Please all stay safe because we still need to protect the young and vulnerable. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010
    i am going to keep masking for a while, mainly indoors where i am close to people. i am vaccinated and probably do not need to, but i just feel more comfortable doing so for now. 
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