The coronavirus

lastexitlondon

23scidoo said:

Meltdown99 said:

elvistheking44 said:

23scidoo said:

Banned or suspended?

At the top of the meme it says suspended...I'll side with eu countries...

If I know right they still search on it..

Do you  propose we suspend the contraceptive pill  which  has a very well know risk of clots at a much higher number?

lastexitlondon

https://youtu.be/cYdIik4z-h0

lastexitlondon

lastexitlondon said:

https://youtu.be/cYdIik4z-h0

See covid is a disease that CAUSES  thrombosis  many clots. Micro clots. .And please remember  its not all about deaths. 1 in 10 is a long covid sufferer. With life long scaring or organ damage. Thats alot of people if you look at the worldwide total cases. Bare in mind 1 in 3 have no symptoms.   Quite a high damage rate

Meltdown99

Take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine...your choice.  I am not losing any sleep over covid or the vaccine...it’s out of most of our control.

best to focus on things one can control...

Merkin Baller

Meltdown99 said:

Take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine...your choice.  I am not losing any sleep over covid or the vaccine...it’s out of most of our control.

best to focus on things one can control...

Alternate take: 

Get the vaccine as soon as you can for the sake of the community you live in. That's something most of us will have control over at some point. 

Meltdown99

Merkin Baller said:

Meltdown99 said:

Take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine...your choice.  I am not losing any sleep over covid or the vaccine...it’s out of most of our control.

best to focus on things one can control...

Alternate take: 

Get the vaccine as soon as you can for the sake of the community you live in. That's something most of us will have control over at some point. 

Well guess what I have no control over when the vaccine is available...and Ill decide what goes in body, thank you...not anyone else.

Weston1283

I’ve had to fly a few times during the pandemic for various reasons, most recently 6 weeks ago.  Boston Logan was a ghost town every one of those times.

Today was the longest I’ve ever waited including Pre pandemic at the JetBlue terminal.  Absolutely packed.  (Flying to my wedding today)

mace1229

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

Merkin Baller

Meltdown99 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Meltdown99 said:

Take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine...your choice.  I am not losing any sleep over covid or the vaccine...it’s out of most of our control.

best to focus on things one can control...

Alternate take: 

Get the vaccine as soon as you can for the sake of the community you live in. That's something most of us will have control over at some point. 

Well guess what I have no control over when the vaccine is available...and Ill decide what goes in body, thank you...not anyone else.

You clearly missed the parts where I said "as soon as you can" and "at some point". 

You are correct, you're free to decide whether or not to get a vaccine, and when you have that choice, it will be within your control. 

For the sake of your community, you should get it. 

hedonist

Weston1283 said:

I’ve had to fly a few times during the pandemic for various reasons, most recently 6 weeks ago.  Boston Logan was a ghost town every one of those times.

Today was the longest I’ve ever waited including Pre pandemic at the JetBlue terminal.  Absolutely packed.  (Flying to my wedding today)

Congratulations

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

Vaccines cut down on the rate of hospitalizations. 

Fewer hospitalizations = less strain on the health care system. 

F Me In The Brain

Weston1283 said:

I’ve had to fly a few times during the pandemic for various reasons, most recently 6 weeks ago.  Boston Logan was a ghost town every one of those times.

Today was the longest I’ve ever waited including Pre pandemic at the JetBlue terminal.  Absolutely packed.  (Flying to my wedding today)

This pisses me off.  People think this shit is over. 

All of the times through Logan, I guess I haven't used that checkpoint, the flags are a nice touch, I like that.

Congratulations on your wedding!  I hope it is as wonderful an event as you both imagine.

Merkin Baller

Weston1283 said:

I’ve had to fly a few times during the pandemic for various reasons, most recently 6 weeks ago.  Boston Logan was a ghost town every one of those times.

Today was the longest I’ve ever waited including Pre pandemic at the JetBlue terminal.  Absolutely packed.  (Flying to my wedding today)

Congrats on the nuptials, try to forget all this bullshit if you can and enjoy yourself.

oftenreading

Weston1283 said:

I’ve had to fly a few times during the pandemic for various reasons, most recently 6 weeks ago.  Boston Logan was a ghost town every one of those times.

Today was the longest I’ve ever waited including Pre pandemic at the JetBlue terminal.  Absolutely packed.  (Flying to my wedding today)

Congratulations, have a blast! I hope you are able to have those who are truly important to you around you.

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

There is growing evidence that people who are vaccinated spread less, and maybe much less virus if they do get infected. A rapid immune response from vaccination leads to much lower viral load which leads to lower infectivity. It may be that there is only the potential for spread from small numbers of viral particles residing in the mouth and nose, or maybe not at all. So yes, getting vaccinated very likely helps to protect the community. 

And it can help protect you, since no vaccine provides 100% protection.

Fewer people getting sick means less strain on health care and other resources, which protects the community. It also reduces the chance of reservoirs of disease that keep getting circulated.

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

There is growing evidence that people who are vaccinated spread less, and maybe much less virus if they do get infected. A rapid immune response from vaccination leads to much lower viral load which leads to lower infectivity. It may be that there is only the potential for spread from small numbers of viral particles residing in the mouth and nose, or maybe not at all. So yes, getting vaccinated very likely helps to protect the community. 

And it can help protect you, since no vaccine provides 100% protection.

Fewer people getting sick means less strain on health care and other resources, which protects the community. It also reduces the chance of reservoirs of disease that keep getting circulated.

lastexitlondon

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

There is growing evidence that people who are vaccinated spread less, and maybe much less virus if they do get infected. A rapid immune response from vaccination leads to much lower viral load which leads to lower infectivity. It may be that there is only the potential for spread from small numbers of viral particles residing in the mouth and nose, or maybe not at all. So yes, getting vaccinated very likely helps to protect the community. 

And it can help protect you, since no vaccine provides 100% protection.

Fewer people getting sick means less strain on health care and other resources, which protects the community. It also reduces the chance of reservoirs of disease that keep getting circulated.

Perfectly put

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

There is growing evidence that people who are vaccinated spread less, and maybe much less virus if they do get infected. A rapid immune response from vaccination leads to much lower viral load which leads to lower infectivity. It may be that there is only the potential for spread from small numbers of viral particles residing in the mouth and nose, or maybe not at all. So yes, getting vaccinated very likely helps to protect the community. 

And it can help protect you, since no vaccine provides 100% protection.

Fewer people getting sick means less strain on health care and other resources, which protects the community. It also reduces the chance of reservoirs of disease that keep getting circulated.

Cases have been trending down since mid January and not nearly enough vaccines have been administered to have that type of effect.

Any other reasons for the spike?  I show Jan 12 as the peak for the US.  I understand us heading indoors may have added to the spike but why the decline?

Asking the group as maybe you found a good article on my question.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

There is growing evidence that people who are vaccinated spread less, and maybe much less virus if they do get infected. A rapid immune response from vaccination leads to much lower viral load which leads to lower infectivity. It may be that there is only the potential for spread from small numbers of viral particles residing in the mouth and nose, or maybe not at all. So yes, getting vaccinated very likely helps to protect the community. 

And it can help protect you, since no vaccine provides 100% protection.

Fewer people getting sick means less strain on health care and other resources, which protects the community. It also reduces the chance of reservoirs of disease that keep getting circulated.

Cases have been trending down since mid January and not nearly enough vaccines have been administered to have that type of effect.

Any other reasons for the spike?  I show Jan 12 as the peak for the US.  I understand us heading indoors may have added to the spike but why the decline?

Asking the group as maybe you found a good article on my question.

January 12th is 20 days after Christmas. 

I would think the spike was a result of people getting together for the holidays, which would also explain the subsequent decline as we got into February / further away from the holiday season. 

oftenreading

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

Why do people care if others get the vaccine and how does it help the community?
Those who want it go get it, and you’ll be protected. Those who are skeptical, fine. Your skepticism doesn’t make me sick. It’s believed you can still carry and spread Covid after getting vaccinated. So the vaccine doesn’t protect the community, it only protects the person getting it.

There is growing evidence that people who are vaccinated spread less, and maybe much less virus if they do get infected. A rapid immune response from vaccination leads to much lower viral load which leads to lower infectivity. It may be that there is only the potential for spread from small numbers of viral particles residing in the mouth and nose, or maybe not at all. So yes, getting vaccinated very likely helps to protect the community. 

And it can help protect you, since no vaccine provides 100% protection.

Fewer people getting sick means less strain on health care and other resources, which protects the community. It also reduces the chance of reservoirs of disease that keep getting circulated.

Cases have been trending down since mid January and not nearly enough vaccines have been administered to have that type of effect.

Any other reasons for the spike?  I show Jan 12 as the peak for the US.  I understand us heading indoors may have added to the spike but why the decline?

Asking the group as maybe you found a good article on my question.

January 12th is 20 days after Christmas. 

I would think the spike was a result of people getting together for the holidays, which would also explain the subsequent decline as we got into February / further away from the holiday season. 

Expert opinions suggest a few different reasons for the decline. One is, as you said, that the main winter holidays finished, cases peaked, and then people were not in as close contact. 

The second is that coronaviruses often have a seasonal pattern, with highest cases December and January. The reasons for this are complex and have to do both with human behaviour and viral characteristics.

The third is that the vaccines are working. They aren’t in enough people yet to stop the virus but they’re in enough for us to see an effect. 

The fourth is that there is a sizeable minority of people with some degree of immunity now from having been infected. This is no where near “herd immunity” but still helps the overall case burden. 

The last could be reduced testing. Testing numbers are down, possibly because the focus has switched to vaccination. However, positivity rate in the tests is down too, so it definitely isn’t all due to reduced testing.