The coronavirus

lastexitlondon

More people i actually  know died. This vaccine  talk in my country is making hope too high too soon. Long. Long way to go

mfc2006

lastexitlondon said:

More people i actually  know died. This vaccine  talk in my country is making hope too high too soon. Long. Long way to go

So sorry to hear that. Everyone needs to be patient and diligent with the safety measures.

Hobbes

WA Notify system goes live with COVID exposure notifications for iPhone and Android users in Washington state | The Seattle Times

New phone app can help determine COVID-19 exposure | The Olympian

Spiritual_Chaos

So are there any countries out there where the vaccine won't be free?

cincybearcat

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/health/coronavirus-vaccine-acip-nursing-homes-question/index.html

Interesting read about the vote. 

Meltdown99

according to dr. Fauci the UK just took the data from Pfizer and approved the vaccine without scrutinizing the data.  He later apologized.  Interesting 

lastexitlondon

Meltdown99 said:

according to dr. Fauci the UK just took the data from Pfizer and approved the vaccine without scrutinizing the data.  He later apologized.  Interesting 

I think he is a touch jealous 
 The uk has some if the best regulators in the world  .  Its clearly  a good vaccine 

what dreams

mace1229 said:

Our local school district just announce despite a peak in cases, we will be returning to in person in January. At the same time they removed all covid data from their website, the data they used to determine if they remained open or not and they data that said to finally close 2 weeks ago. Seems a little shady to make this announcement and at the exact same time remove all data they have using to make decisions. 
You can still find the data on the county website, but they've been bragging about transparency since July since this was about the only district that did open, and focused on a few key points rather than a sea of numbers. 

Yes, it's shady. The lack of transparency breeds mistrust in the community and keeps parents from making informed choices. It's just not right. I hope you stay healthy.

static111

My new job is at a huge facility making things that keep our modern lifestyle growing. I’m a 3rd party QC. The word is that the facility owner will likely pay for its employees, contractors and subcontractors to get the vaccine once available, as a requirement to continue employment obvious medical exceptions would apply. Despite this many people not most, but many are complaining about over reach, bill gates, loss of privacy, the virus isn’t really that big of a deal etc.  by the time we get it enough people will have had it to find out if there are any adverse side effects.  I can’t understand not wanting to get the inoculation that can get everyone’s lives back to normal.

F Me In The Brain

I understand wanting to understand how it all works but I also support a business owners ability to make that decision.

hedonist

I’m up for receiving it when all or the majority of ifs are clarified. Not gonna blindly stick my arm out though.

One’s business, their rules, in terms of requirements. 

What are the Bill Gates arguments for not getting it?

Halifax2TheMax

From the NYT email blast:

How to manage your virus risk

The most effective public health messages don’t merely tell people what not to do. They also tell people what they can do with only a small amount of risk.

This sometimes feels counterintuitive, because it gives people permission to take some risks, rather than urging maximum safety all the time. In the long run, though, a more realistic approach is actually the safer one, many experts say.

Human beings are social creatures. Most aren’t going to sit inside their houses for months on end. And pretending otherwise tends to backfire. It leads people to ignore public health advice and take needlessly big risks. “We need different, more nuanced, and more practical messaging about coronavirus safety,” Sarit Golub, a psychology professor at Hunter College, has written.

(Federal officials took a step in this direction this week by shortening the recommended quarantine period after virus exposure.)

Today, I want to give you a three-step guide to risk minimization. It’s based on a Times survey of 700 epidemiologists as well as my conversations with experts and colleagues, like Donald G. McNeil Jr.

1. There is one behavior you should try to eliminate, without exception: Spending time in a confined space (outside your household) where anyone is unmasked.

Don’t eat indoors at a restaurant or friend’s house. Don’t have close, unmasked conversations anywhere, even outdoors. If you must fly, try to not to eat or drink on the plane. If you’re going to work, don’t have lunch in the same room as colleagues. Group lunches have led to outbreaks at hospitals and elsewhere.

2. This next set of behaviors is best to minimize if you can’t avoid it: Spending extended time in indoor spaces, even with universal masking.

Masks aren’t perfect. If you can work out at home rather than at a gym — or do your job or attend religious services remotely — you’re reducing your risk.

3. Now the better news: Several activities are less risky than some people fear.

You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”

You can also feel OK about doing many errands. About 90 percent of the epidemiologists in our survey have recently visited a grocery store, a pharmacy or another store. Just wear a mask, stay distant from others and wash your hands afterward.

The big picture: I find it helpful to think about the notion of a personal risk budget. I don’t spend any of my risk budget on supermarket shopping, because grocery delivery works well for my family. But I do take occasional unmasked, distant walks with one or two friends. They help keep me sane as we head into a long, very hard winter.

For more: The survey of epidemiologists — done by Margot Sanger-Katz, Claire Cain Miller and Quoctrung Bui of The Times — has much more, including how they’re thinking about a vaccine.

static111

hedonist said:

I’m up for receiving it when all or the majority of ifs are clarified. Not gonna blindly stick my arm out though.

One’s business, their rules, in terms of requirements. 

What are the Bill Gates arguments for not getting it?

Lol micro chipping, mind control 5G transgender bats...I’m with you and f me...I’m not blindly getting it, but when full trial info is out and all first responders etc have safely gotten it. I will get it as soon after as I can 

Spunkie

Halifax2TheMax said:

From the NYT email blast:

How to manage your virus risk

The most effective public health messages don’t merely tell people what not to do. They also tell people what they can do with only a small amount of risk.

This sometimes feels counterintuitive, because it gives people permission to take some risks, rather than urging maximum safety all the time. In the long run, though, a more realistic approach is actually the safer one, many experts say.

Human beings are social creatures. Most aren’t going to sit inside their houses for months on end. And pretending otherwise tends to backfire. It leads people to ignore public health advice and take needlessly big risks. “We need different, more nuanced, and more practical messaging about coronavirus safety,” Sarit Golub, a psychology professor at Hunter College, has written.

(Federal officials took a step in this direction this week by shortening the recommended quarantine period after virus exposure.)

Today, I want to give you a three-step guide to risk minimization. It’s based on a Times survey of 700 epidemiologists as well as my conversations with experts and colleagues, like Donald G. McNeil Jr.

1. There is one behavior you should try to eliminate, without exception: Spending time in a confined space (outside your household) where anyone is unmasked.

Don’t eat indoors at a restaurant or friend’s house. Don’t have close, unmasked conversations anywhere, even outdoors. If you must fly, try to not to eat or drink on the plane. If you’re going to work, don’t have lunch in the same room as colleagues. Group lunches have led to outbreaks at hospitals and elsewhere.

2. This next set of behaviors is best to minimize if you can’t avoid it: Spending extended time in indoor spaces, even with universal masking.

Masks aren’t perfect. If you can work out at home rather than at a gym — or do your job or attend religious services remotely — you’re reducing your risk.

3. Now the better news: Several activities are less risky than some people fear.

You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”

You can also feel OK about doing many errands. About 90 percent of the epidemiologists in our survey have recently visited a grocery store, a pharmacy or another store. Just wear a mask, stay distant from others and wash your hands afterward.

The big picture: I find it helpful to think about the notion of a personal risk budget. I don’t spend any of my risk budget on supermarket shopping, because grocery delivery works well for my family. But I do take occasional unmasked, distant walks with one or two friends. They help keep me sane as we head into a long, very hard winter.

For more: The survey of epidemiologists — done by Margot Sanger-Katz, Claire Cain Miller and Quoctrung Bui of The Times — has much more, including how they’re thinking about a vaccine.

That's a helpful reminder. I needed to hear the outdoor masking bit, especially.

Thanks H2 Max!

josevolution

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1335214358800920577?s=21
Damn 10K dead Americans! In just 4 days by months end another 40k I’m shocked..

Meltdown99

at this point it’s called “natural selection”...if you need a politician to tell you what to do...

Halifax2TheMax

Plateauing 

23scidoo

Very very sad..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-greece-cemetery-idUSKBN28E1YF?taid=5fca860e95219e000152f0e2&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

brianlux

23scidoo said:

Very very sad..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-greece-cemetery-idUSKBN28E1YF?taid=5fca860e95219e000152f0e2&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Yes, very sad. So many lost.  Stay well, scidoo.

23scidoo

brianlux said:

23scidoo said:

Very very sad..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-greece-cemetery-idUSKBN28E1YF?taid=5fca860e95219e000152f0e2&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Yes, very sad. So many lost.  Stay well, scidoo.

Thank you, you too, everyone..