Best Available

ajflicker

givnfly said:

Seeing how this is playing out I am regretting picking best available since I would've been perfectly fine with seats.  If you pick BA the first choice is GA, if you lose that then automatically your 2nd choice would be Seats for that show.  So if someone just did seats as their first choice, they would get the tix before you.  I think that might be what is happening to some people losing tix when they picked BA for the shows that are supposedly 99%.  That is the only thing that makes sense to me.  
I only went for NYC.  Tomorrow is gonna be a blast haha.

Not necessarily. The people who picked BA on #1 priority and didn't win GA spilled into the draw for reserve seats and there was more than enough seats for BA and RS hence some people getting RS on pick #2 or #3. BA and RS were the same pick this tour because seats are assigned by priority. Except for BAL and MSG. Pearl Jam said they got more tickets than ever before in the pre-sale info which must've helped too. No one can see the future with these things but if I was one of the ones who gambled on GA, thinking the seat odds would drop like the 2016 tour I would be kicking myself for not picking BA.

ajflicker

ajflicker said:

givnfly said:

Seeing how this is playing out I am regretting picking best available since I would've been perfectly fine with seats.  If you pick BA the first choice is GA, if you lose that then automatically your 2nd choice would be Seats for that show.  So if someone just did seats as their first choice, they would get the tix before you.  I think that might be what is happening to some people losing tix when they picked BA for the shows that are supposedly 99%.  That is the only thing that makes sense to me.  
I only went for NYC.  Tomorrow is gonna be a blast haha.

Not necessarily. The people who picked BA on #1 priority and didn't win GA spilled into the draw for reserve seats and there was more than enough seats for BA and RS hence some people getting RS on pick #2 or #3. BA and RS were the same pick this tour because seats are assigned by priority. Except for BAL and MSG. Pearl Jam said they got more tickets than ever before in the pre-sale info which must've helped too. No one can see the future with these things but if I was one of the ones who gambled on GA, thinking the seat odds would drop like the 2016 tour I would be kicking myself for not picking BA.

teskeinc

Maybe BA and GA were group together when they did the draw because that was best available?

Hagrid7575

I just assumed that selecting BA was the way to go because I don’t particularly care where I am in the barn, just so long as I’m in the barn.

i selected MSG and Nashville and am now bracing myself for being shut out in both because of this.

shouldve just picked seats to improve chances I guess.

Dizzle

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

RE4790

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

This is what I assumed as well... as that’s how BA works outside the lotto.  I guess we will find out today 

RoleModelsinBlood31

RE4790 said:

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

This is what I assumed as well... as that’s how BA works outside the lotto.  I guess we will find out today 

That’s definitely how we all thought it worked but it’s not right.  Lots of folks are striking out with BA as their first choice while many are getting the same show with their 5th or 6th pick in some cases.

incidental immortality

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

Yes. I believe they take all of the 1st priority pool at the same time (BA, GA, and reserved). Names are chosen and assigned tickets according to their preference. This is different from past lotteries where they would fill GA first. 

I think that this really changed the odds took and fooled a lot of people. In the past there were a lot of wasted GA picks. Some people would enter GA as their second, third, or forth picks. Those picks were unlikely to hit. So if you had GA as #1 you actually had a much better chance than the tool predicted. 

Now it’s the opposite. People get a chance at GA without having to risk losing reserved. That’s going to make the odds took a lot more accurate.  Those who hit GA with low odds in the past will see the same odds and wonder why they didn’t win. 

rvapete

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

To me that's how it should be. Best Available shouldn't be 1 and 1A

but this process has rules that were communicated before we applied. And those rules clearly state the priority is assigned on a PER SHOW basis. So 1 and 1a is exactly the way it should be

” Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

For me that has huge legal issues. It limits the opportunity ADA seating folks have of winning tickets lower than 99% RES while a BA entry would give you 2 shots. BA being priority #1 and #2 would give the ADA person the same priority possibilities for RES at a different venue of your RES backup applying BA 

Lerxst1992

incidental immortality said:

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

Yes. I believe they take all of the 1st priority pool at the same time (BA, GA, and reserved). Names are chosen and assigned tickets according to their preference. This is different from past lotteries where they would fill GA first. 

I think that this really changed the odds took and fooled a lot of people. In the past there were a lot of wasted GA picks. Some people would enter GA as their second, third, or forth picks. Those picks were unlikely to hit. So if you had GA as #1 you actually had a much better chance than the tool predicted. 

Now it’s the opposite. People get a chance at GA without having to risk losing reserved. That’s going to make the odds took a lot more accurate.  Those who hit GA with low odds in the past will see the same odds and wonder why they didn’t win. 

But what allegedly is occurring is fans picking BA with a first pick are losing out to fans picking RES with lower priority picks.

Transparency from the club would be helpful here. If tickets are denied due to a processing issue (cc, name mismatch, etc) is should say processing issue and not attribute the loss to high demand. For 99% shows, this is an absurd explanation.

The club should disclose how many rounds it took to fill each category. So fans getting shut out with their first pick would have the transparency needed if the club went to round 2 to fill the shows.

fans in NY and Balt are screwed. Since these shows are much lower than 99% there will be no way to determine if their first picks were treated accurately.

edit, yes we will be able to tell. Fans losing on first pick to fans winning with second show pick. It will be determinable. Me bad.

RE4790

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

RE4790 said:

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

This is what I assumed as well... as that’s how BA works outside the lotto.  I guess we will find out today 

That’s definitely how we all thought it worked but it’s not right.  Lots of folks are striking out with BA as their first choice while many are getting the same show with their 5th or 6th pick in some cases.

I’m not sure.  I wouldnt necessarily trust frustrated people to honestly assess things and then post a mea culpa here after an angry post of they had payment or form issues  Plus we have no insight into the vast majority of winners.  Questions about BA are probably skewed towards lotto losers in fact

Lerxst1992

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

To me that's how it should be. Best Available shouldn't be 1 and 1A

but this process has rules that were communicated before we applied. And those rules clearly state the priority is assigned on a PER SHOW basis. So 1 and 1a is exactly the way it should be

” Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

For me that has huge legal issues. It limits the opportunity ADA seating folks have of winning tickets lower than 99% RES while a BA entry would give you 2 shots. BA being priority #1 and #2 would give the ADA person the same priority possibilities for RES at a different venue of your RES backup applying BA 

We both put in for a show. I say I’ll take anywhere, you say I need a seat. We both are getting one chance to get into a show. Not sure I am getting how that’s unfair? (But the rules do say priority is on a per show basis.)

My understanding is they accommodate ADA in the front of the GA pit. I’ve seen fans mention this but not entirely sure how it works.

rvapete

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

Dizzle said:

For what it’s worth, here’s my understanding of the process:

1. You are selected randomly and considered if the show is your 1st priority selection.
2. You get exactly what you prefer, if available, when GA or RES selection is made. Denied if your selection is sold out in that quantity.
3. If BA selection is made, you get exactly what is available at that time, with GA first priority, then RES. You’ll only be denied if both areas are sold out in your selected quantity.
4. The whole process is then repeated, if any tickets are left, for those who do not yet have tickets and have the show as a 2nd priority selection. Then 3rd, 4th, and so on.

For me this suggested process is flawed. It would rank GA/BA selections by some mystery algorithm for GA access and once they are gone, the fall back is RES. For me the process should go like this.

GA and BA have a random drawing for all the GA tickets
RES Priority #1 has a drawing 
BA RES and Priority #2 RES have a drawing

rvapete

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

To me that's how it should be. Best Available shouldn't be 1 and 1A

but this process has rules that were communicated before we applied. And those rules clearly state the priority is assigned on a PER SHOW basis. So 1 and 1a is exactly the way it should be

” Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

For me that has huge legal issues. It limits the opportunity ADA seating folks have of winning tickets lower than 99% RES while a BA entry would give you 2 shots. BA being priority #1 and #2 would give the ADA person the same priority possibilities for RES at a different venue of your RES backup applying BA 

We both put in for a show. I say I’ll take anywhere, you say I need a seat. We both are getting one chance to get into a show. Not sure I am getting how that’s unfair? (But the rules do say priority is on a per show basis.)

My understanding is they accommodate ADA in the front of the GA pit. I’ve seen fans mention this but not entirely sure how it works.

By not requiring a seat you have 2 prioritized chances (GA and Res) at a ticket. By requiring a seat you have 1.  How is that fair?

carolinaeasy

I picked BA for the ONLY show I can make: Baltimore. I’ll be sure to post my results here. 

buck502000

carolinaeasy said:

I picked BA for the ONLY show I can make: Baltimore. I’ll be sure to post my results here. 

Same 

PJNB

People that are losing BA as a first pick or any pick for that matter has to be a glitch and either an incorrect input by the fan or Ticketmaster system has a huge flaw and overlooked these picks. If this is on Ticketmaster which I believe it is they really need fix this asap and make it right for those that got shafted. 

cannotstaylong

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

To me that's how it should be. Best Available shouldn't be 1 and 1A

but this process has rules that were communicated before we applied. And those rules clearly state the priority is assigned on a PER SHOW basis. So 1 and 1a is exactly the way it should be

” Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

For me that has huge legal issues. It limits the opportunity ADA seating folks have of winning tickets lower than 99% RES while a BA entry would give you 2 shots. BA being priority #1 and #2 would give the ADA person the same priority possibilities for RES at a different venue of your RES backup applying BA 

We both put in for a show. I say I’ll take anywhere, you say I need a seat. We both are getting one chance to get into a show. Not sure I am getting how that’s unfair? (But the rules do say priority is on a per show basis.)

My understanding is they accommodate ADA in the front of the GA pit. I’ve seen fans mention this but not entirely sure how it works.

By not requiring a seat you have 2 prioritized chances (GA and Res) at a ticket. By requiring a seat you have 1.  How is that fair?

Selecting BA does not give you two prioritized chances. You still only have one chance, but the pool of available tickets is larger because you’re including reserved and GA. Still only one chance, though. 

RE4790

cannotstaylong said:

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

To me that's how it should be. Best Available shouldn't be 1 and 1A

but this process has rules that were communicated before we applied. And those rules clearly state the priority is assigned on a PER SHOW basis. So 1 and 1a is exactly the way it should be

” Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

For me that has huge legal issues. It limits the opportunity ADA seating folks have of winning tickets lower than 99% RES while a BA entry would give you 2 shots. BA being priority #1 and #2 would give the ADA person the same priority possibilities for RES at a different venue of your RES backup applying BA 

We both put in for a show. I say I’ll take anywhere, you say I need a seat. We both are getting one chance to get into a show. Not sure I am getting how that’s unfair? (But the rules do say priority is on a per show basis.)

My understanding is they accommodate ADA in the front of the GA pit. I’ve seen fans mention this but not entirely sure how it works.

By not requiring a seat you have 2 prioritized chances (GA and Res) at a ticket. By requiring a seat you have 1.  How is that fair?

Selecting BA does not give you two prioritized chances. You still only have one chance, but the pool of available tickets is larger because you’re including reserved and GA. Still only one chance, though. 

Allegedly this is not happening and it’s being treated as two for lotto priority purposes 

cannotstaylong

RE4790 said:

cannotstaylong said:

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rvapete said:

To me that's how it should be. Best Available shouldn't be 1 and 1A

but this process has rules that were communicated before we applied. And those rules clearly state the priority is assigned on a PER SHOW basis. So 1 and 1a is exactly the way it should be

” Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

For me that has huge legal issues. It limits the opportunity ADA seating folks have of winning tickets lower than 99% RES while a BA entry would give you 2 shots. BA being priority #1 and #2 would give the ADA person the same priority possibilities for RES at a different venue of your RES backup applying BA 

We both put in for a show. I say I’ll take anywhere, you say I need a seat. We both are getting one chance to get into a show. Not sure I am getting how that’s unfair? (But the rules do say priority is on a per show basis.)

My understanding is they accommodate ADA in the front of the GA pit. I’ve seen fans mention this but not entirely sure how it works.

By not requiring a seat you have 2 prioritized chances (GA and Res) at a ticket. By requiring a seat you have 1.  How is that fair?

Selecting BA does not give you two prioritized chances. You still only have one chance, but the pool of available tickets is larger because you’re including reserved and GA. Still only one chance, though. 

Allegedly this is not happening and it’s being treated as two for lotto priority purposes 

Only based on speculation, though. None of us know how TM is actually running the draw. All we know is what was stated in the rules and how prior lotteries have worked (recognizing that those lottos didn’t have the BA option). 

I get the sense that a lot of people are jumping to conclusions right now, but some of the draws that have already started still haven’t concluded. For example, there are numerous people who put in for the Oakland shows who still have not received a confirmation email either way, while others have already received notifications for both shows. People are inferring things about the lotto before it’s even finished.