No Safe Spaces Documentary

ecdanc

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

ecdanc

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

what dreams

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

ecdanc

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

ConorKavanagh

I just showed the trailer for this film to my partner. She said, "that's a bit too intellectual for me" and walked up the stairs to assemble some furniture.

what dreams

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

It's a pass that students carry around with them that allows them to leave the classroom whenever they feel "uncomfortable." As a teacher, I'm told that my number one responsibility is "to build relationships" so students feel "safe" in my classroom. If I dare say anything any of them don't like -- for example (and yes, I have gotten in trouble for this) "sit down and stop disrupting the class" -- they run to the counselor with their bullshit about how I've "humiliated" them in front of everybody, and then they go home and tell their mommy who comes in with guns a-blazing about how I've "ruined the child's life forever." One time I told a student, not in front of the class but in the hallway, that his behavior was self-centered and suggested that he behave so his friends could learn, and the parent demanded my firing, said that I should never be allowed to be around children, that kids will commit suicide because of me. For real. Basically, a "safe space" in K-12 is the entire building where nobody is held accountable for their behaviors, their every thought, word or action deserves a gold medal, and they never have to hear the truth about their performance or anything else they disagree with. Pretty much all of which Lukianoff and Haidt poitn to as a leading cause of college-aged students being unable to handle the academic discourse on college campuses -- horrible child-rearing practices over the span of a generation, and K-12 administrators and policy makers afraid to stand up to these horrible parents and voters. 

ecdanc

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

It's a pass that students carry around with them that allows them to leave the classroom whenever they feel "uncomfortable." As a teacher, I'm told that my number one responsibility is "to build relationships" so students feel "safe" in my classroom. If I dare say anything any of them don't like -- for example (and yes, I have gotten in trouble for this) "sit down and stop disrupting the class" -- they run to the counselor with their bullshit about how I've "humiliated" them in front of everybody, and then they go home and tell their mommy who comes in with guns a-blazing about how I've "ruined the child's life forever." One time I told a student, not in front of the class but in the hallway, that his behavior was self-centered and suggested that he behave so his friends could learn, and the parent demanded my firing, said that I should never be allowed to be around children, that kids will commit suicide because of me. For real. Basically, a "safe space" in K-12 is the entire building where nobody is held accountable for their behaviors, their every thought, word or action deserves a gold medal, and they never have to hear the truth about their performance or anything else they disagree with. Pretty much all of which Lukianoff and Haidt poitn to as a leading cause of college-aged students being unable to handle the academic discourse on college campuses -- horrible child-rearing practices over the span of a generation, and K-12 administrators and policy makers afraid to stand up to these horrible parents and voters. 

Where do you teach?

what dreams

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

It's a pass that students carry around with them that allows them to leave the classroom whenever they feel "uncomfortable." As a teacher, I'm told that my number one responsibility is "to build relationships" so students feel "safe" in my classroom. If I dare say anything any of them don't like -- for example (and yes, I have gotten in trouble for this) "sit down and stop disrupting the class" -- they run to the counselor with their bullshit about how I've "humiliated" them in front of everybody, and then they go home and tell their mommy who comes in with guns a-blazing about how I've "ruined the child's life forever." One time I told a student, not in front of the class but in the hallway, that his behavior was self-centered and suggested that he behave so his friends could learn, and the parent demanded my firing, said that I should never be allowed to be around children, that kids will commit suicide because of me. For real. Basically, a "safe space" in K-12 is the entire building where nobody is held accountable for their behaviors, their every thought, word or action deserves a gold medal, and they never have to hear the truth about their performance or anything else they disagree with. Pretty much all of which Lukianoff and Haidt poitn to as a leading cause of college-aged students being unable to handle the academic discourse on college campuses -- horrible child-rearing practices over the span of a generation, and K-12 administrators and policy makers afraid to stand up to these horrible parents and voters. 

Where do you teach?

Up until last spring, a very large, affluent metropolitan school district where students feed into top tier universities. 

This year in a neighboring and very small district where all nine schools are Title 1 and the graduation rate is only 80%.

The issues described above are exactly the same. It happens everywhere.

This year I have four students out of class on a daily basis because they just can't cope. Nine of them attempted a coup around Thanksgiving because "they didn't like the way I grade" and I told one student he might need extra help in front of everybody (among other ridiculous complaints) and the administration sent me home for four days while they investigated this "alleged misconduct." After surviving the drama, I was given a written reprimand where I was told that if I did not improve my ability to "build relationships" I would be terminated. 

These are middle school students, by the way, 12 year olds who have been given way too much power that they do not understand how to use. The adults in charge have completely stopped acting like the adults in charge. As a result, a significant number of our young people will grow into adults who cannot function under any type of adversity, or hold themselves to any standard.  

what dreams

I should say I am not at all concerned with the right/left politics of this issue.

I am concerned about the lasting impact on our nation of a lost generation of young people who lack reasoning and critical judgment, courage and self-discipline, the ability to listen to, reflect on, and understand various points of view.

dmaradona10

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

There is plenty of examples and evidence of Conservative viewpoints and speakers being barred and other times physically stopped or assaulted on college campuses.  Berkley burned down its own student union building.  Any evidence or stats of this being "demonstrably false?"

ecdanc

dmaradona10 said:

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

There is plenty of examples and evidence of Conservative viewpoints and speakers being barred and other times physically stopped or assaulted on college campuses.  Berkley burned down its own student union building.  Any evidence or stats of this being "demonstrably false?"

Wait, what? Did that really happen? I feel like I would have heard about it, but maybe not. 

rgambs

No safe spaces say the conservatives...except during the National Anthem, the Olympics, sports games, audio and visual entertainment, anywhere in the vicinity of a soldier or police officer, or regarding the (conservative) POTUS...

Smellyman

rgambs said:

No safe spaces say the conservatives...except during the National Anthem, the Olympics, sports games, audio and visual entertainment, anywhere in the vicinity of a soldier or police officer, or regarding the (conservative) POTUS...

yup

rgambs

A few more conservative safe spaces that come to mind: the area immediately surrounding a flag, Bible, or person who believes in the big Sky Daddy...

dmaradona10

rgambs said:

A few more conservative safe spaces that come to mind: the area immediately surrounding a flag, Bible, or person who believes in the big Sky Daddy...

Right. There's no controversy or in-fighting surrounding the flag and the Bible...your examples are far from Safe Spaces.    

dmaradona10

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

There is plenty of examples and evidence of Conservative viewpoints and speakers being barred and other times physically stopped or assaulted on college campuses.  Berkley burned down its own student union building.  Any evidence or stats of this being "demonstrably false?"

Wait, what? Did that really happen? I feel like I would have heard about it, but maybe not. 

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

dignin

dmaradona10 said:

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

There is plenty of examples and evidence of Conservative viewpoints and speakers being barred and other times physically stopped or assaulted on college campuses.  Berkley burned down its own student union building.  Any evidence or stats of this being "demonstrably false?"

Wait, what? Did that really happen? I feel like I would have heard about it, but maybe not. 

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

So, no.

rgambs

dmaradona10 said:

rgambs said:

A few more conservative safe spaces that come to mind: the area immediately surrounding a flag, Bible, or person who believes in the big Sky Daddy...

Right. There's no controversy or in-fighting surrounding the flag and the Bible...your examples are far from Safe Spaces.    

Is that the measure?  No controversy or in-fighting?  
Well then I guess there is no such thing as a safe space on the left, either.

ecdanc

dignin said:

dmaradona10 said:

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

There is plenty of examples and evidence of Conservative viewpoints and speakers being barred and other times physically stopped or assaulted on college campuses.  Berkley burned down its own student union building.  Any evidence or stats of this being "demonstrably false?"

Wait, what? Did that really happen? I feel like I would have heard about it, but maybe not. 

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

So, no.

Not even close, really.