No Safe Spaces Documentary

dmaradona10

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

Smellyman

Carolla is a narcissistic libertarian whacko.  Prager is a conservative radio nutjob.

'no matter what side of the aisle you're on'  LOL

pass

https://www.businessinsider.com/no-safe-spaces-doc-ignores-right-attacks-free-speech-expression-2020-1

Just an echo chamber of right wingnuts. 

Like watching Fox News for confirmation of your ignorance.

hedonist

I typically like Adam for his humor and common sense. 

I’ll check it out. No reason not to. 

what dreams

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

brianlux

Anne Coulter and Cornell West in the same doc.  Well, that sure as heck is diversified.  Might have to check it out... if NetFlux ever makes it available (probably not- gotta make room for all that other mindless garbage).

hedonist

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

brianlux

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

Jason P

From my understanding Carolla's studio produced the doc, although I'm not sure how involved he was.  He mostly focuses on car docs.  There is one on Carroll Shelby on Netflix that is interesting.

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

Anne Coulter and Cornell West in the same doc.  Well, that sure as heck is diversified.  

My first takeaway as well. 

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

Pragers website? What’s that? Is it cool?

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

Pragers website? What’s that? Is it cool?

are you drunk?

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

Pragers website? What’s that? Is it cool?

are you drunk?

No, but maybe you are. Are you?

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

Pragers website? What’s that? Is it cool?

are you drunk?

No, but maybe you are. Are you?

april 18 will mark 14 yrs.

so no.

l

that leaves a reading comprehension issue in a comment chain you weren't a part of.

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

Pragers website? What’s that? Is it cool?

are you drunk?

No, but maybe you are. Are you?

april 18 will mark 14 yrs.

so no.

l

that leaves a reading comprehension issue in a comment chain you weren't a part of.

Oh, so, public forum doesn’t allow for comment? Congrats on your milestone, sincerely.

Why did you assume I was?

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

LOL

I'm, guessing the PragerU site would be leaning  juuuuust a little bit to the right on that one.  Whoa there, Dennis, don't fall over!

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I’ve seen some stellar docs and films on Netflix. 

To be fair, so have I.  I just get a bit frustrated that they seem to avoid putting some out there.  But overall, I should be more grateful that I have Netflix.

who says they even have access to everything? things could have been contracted to other services or the if studio funded they have say where and how its seen.

I'm aware of  that Mickey.  A did say I should be more grateful for what we can get, and I am.  Besides which, it's our only option.

So annnnnnyway, I hope I get to see this one of these days.  Looks interesting.

maybe its available on pragers website?

LOL

I'm, guessing the PragerU site would be leaning  juuuuust a little bit to the right on that one.  Whoa there, Dennis, don't fall over!

well as I understood it he is a partner in the making of it? seemed natutlral then it could be found there.

IDK. He is not a guy I am familiar with and what I've gathered wouldnt be to my taste.

dmaradona10

Smellyman said:

Carolla is a narcissistic libertarian whacko.  Prager is a conservative radio nutjob.

'no matter what side of the aisle you're on'  LOL

pass

https://www.businessinsider.com/no-safe-spaces-doc-ignores-right-attacks-free-speech-expression-2020-1

Just an echo chamber of right wingnuts. 

Like watching Fox News for confirmation of your ignorance.

Obama is in it more than once. Van Jones from CNN. Adam Corolla is far from right-wing too.

Obama is in it more than once. Van Jones from CNN. Adam Corolla is far from right-wing too. Identity politics...

ecdanc

The LA Times review of the film:

What might have been a pertinent, evenhanded examination of the notion of free speech on today’s college campuses wastes little time in exposing an overwhelmingly right-leaning bias in the disappointingly sensationalistic agitprop that is “No Safe Spaces.”

Built around a cross-country speaking tour pairing conservative commentator Dennis Prager and comedian Adam Carolla, the documentary takes aim at identity politics, which it charges are eroding 1st Amendment rights.

Originally spurred by civil rights protests and opposition to the Vietnam War, the free speech movement would reach far beyond the halls of Berkeley, establishing “safe spaces” for the marginalized to gather without fear of harassment.

Cue a parade of those whose recent college speaking engagements were subsequently terminated, including Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro and Milo Yiannopoulos, while the likes of Tim Allen and Candace Owens weigh in on the current cancel culture climate.

Among those passed off as representing the liberal side of the debate, meanwhile, are attorney and Trump defender Alan Dershowitz and libertarian-leaning YouTube personality Dave Rubin.

As strategized by director Justin Folk and writer John Sullivan (“2016: Obama’s America”), it all plays out against a forebodingly melodramatic score, interspersed with smug animated sequences, including a “Schoolhouse Rock” knockoff in which a singing Bill of Rights is gunned down.

Ironically, for a film dealing with freedom of speech, one side seems to be doing all the talking.

ecdanc

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

ecdanc

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

what dreams

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

ecdanc

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

ConorKavanagh

I just showed the trailer for this film to my partner. She said, "that's a bit too intellectual for me" and walked up the stairs to assemble some furniture.

what dreams

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

It's a pass that students carry around with them that allows them to leave the classroom whenever they feel "uncomfortable." As a teacher, I'm told that my number one responsibility is "to build relationships" so students feel "safe" in my classroom. If I dare say anything any of them don't like -- for example (and yes, I have gotten in trouble for this) "sit down and stop disrupting the class" -- they run to the counselor with their bullshit about how I've "humiliated" them in front of everybody, and then they go home and tell their mommy who comes in with guns a-blazing about how I've "ruined the child's life forever." One time I told a student, not in front of the class but in the hallway, that his behavior was self-centered and suggested that he behave so his friends could learn, and the parent demanded my firing, said that I should never be allowed to be around children, that kids will commit suicide because of me. For real. Basically, a "safe space" in K-12 is the entire building where nobody is held accountable for their behaviors, their every thought, word or action deserves a gold medal, and they never have to hear the truth about their performance or anything else they disagree with. Pretty much all of which Lukianoff and Haidt poitn to as a leading cause of college-aged students being unable to handle the academic discourse on college campuses -- horrible child-rearing practices over the span of a generation, and K-12 administrators and policy makers afraid to stand up to these horrible parents and voters. 

ecdanc

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

It's a pass that students carry around with them that allows them to leave the classroom whenever they feel "uncomfortable." As a teacher, I'm told that my number one responsibility is "to build relationships" so students feel "safe" in my classroom. If I dare say anything any of them don't like -- for example (and yes, I have gotten in trouble for this) "sit down and stop disrupting the class" -- they run to the counselor with their bullshit about how I've "humiliated" them in front of everybody, and then they go home and tell their mommy who comes in with guns a-blazing about how I've "ruined the child's life forever." One time I told a student, not in front of the class but in the hallway, that his behavior was self-centered and suggested that he behave so his friends could learn, and the parent demanded my firing, said that I should never be allowed to be around children, that kids will commit suicide because of me. For real. Basically, a "safe space" in K-12 is the entire building where nobody is held accountable for their behaviors, their every thought, word or action deserves a gold medal, and they never have to hear the truth about their performance or anything else they disagree with. Pretty much all of which Lukianoff and Haidt poitn to as a leading cause of college-aged students being unable to handle the academic discourse on college campuses -- horrible child-rearing practices over the span of a generation, and K-12 administrators and policy makers afraid to stand up to these horrible parents and voters. 

Where do you teach?

what dreams

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

ecdanc said:

what dreams said:

I just finished read The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting a Generation Up For Failure. 
I see this crap bleeding down into the K-12 world and it's not pretty. I'll definitely check out this documentary

See my comment above. Lukianoff and the FIRE crowd, et al, are disingenuously reappropriating academic freedom, tying it to free speech, and cherry-picking rare cases (while ignoring HUGE portions of higher education) to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist. The book is a tired piece of politics poorly disguised as an intellectual exercise. 

Except like I said, I work in K12 and it's safe spaces everywhere. Kids growing up helpless, no discipline, full of their rights but no responsibility or respect for anything, rampant anxiety, depression, and anti-social behavior. It's absolutely a problem. 

Maybe we have different understandings of what “safe spaces” are. What do they look like in K-12 schools?

It's a pass that students carry around with them that allows them to leave the classroom whenever they feel "uncomfortable." As a teacher, I'm told that my number one responsibility is "to build relationships" so students feel "safe" in my classroom. If I dare say anything any of them don't like -- for example (and yes, I have gotten in trouble for this) "sit down and stop disrupting the class" -- they run to the counselor with their bullshit about how I've "humiliated" them in front of everybody, and then they go home and tell their mommy who comes in with guns a-blazing about how I've "ruined the child's life forever." One time I told a student, not in front of the class but in the hallway, that his behavior was self-centered and suggested that he behave so his friends could learn, and the parent demanded my firing, said that I should never be allowed to be around children, that kids will commit suicide because of me. For real. Basically, a "safe space" in K-12 is the entire building where nobody is held accountable for their behaviors, their every thought, word or action deserves a gold medal, and they never have to hear the truth about their performance or anything else they disagree with. Pretty much all of which Lukianoff and Haidt poitn to as a leading cause of college-aged students being unable to handle the academic discourse on college campuses -- horrible child-rearing practices over the span of a generation, and K-12 administrators and policy makers afraid to stand up to these horrible parents and voters. 

Where do you teach?

Up until last spring, a very large, affluent metropolitan school district where students feed into top tier universities. 

This year in a neighboring and very small district where all nine schools are Title 1 and the graduation rate is only 80%.

The issues described above are exactly the same. It happens everywhere.

This year I have four students out of class on a daily basis because they just can't cope. Nine of them attempted a coup around Thanksgiving because "they didn't like the way I grade" and I told one student he might need extra help in front of everybody (among other ridiculous complaints) and the administration sent me home for four days while they investigated this "alleged misconduct." After surviving the drama, I was given a written reprimand where I was told that if I did not improve my ability to "build relationships" I would be terminated. 

These are middle school students, by the way, 12 year olds who have been given way too much power that they do not understand how to use. The adults in charge have completely stopped acting like the adults in charge. As a result, a significant number of our young people will grow into adults who cannot function under any type of adversity, or hold themselves to any standard.  

what dreams

I should say I am not at all concerned with the right/left politics of this issue.

I am concerned about the lasting impact on our nation of a lost generation of young people who lack reasoning and critical judgment, courage and self-discipline, the ability to listen to, reflect on, and understand various points of view.

dmaradona10

ecdanc said:

dmaradona10 said:

No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, No Safe Spaces delves into the center of the culture wars and the current state of higher education. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTOQGvXbZY8

I work at a university: the relatively recent ring-wing claims that conservative voices are being silenced (via speech codes, safe spaces, etc.) and the older notion that universities are dominated by leftists are both demonstrably false. The film's premise is flawed from the outset--it's bemoaning a problem at that doesn't actually exist. 

There is plenty of examples and evidence of Conservative viewpoints and speakers being barred and other times physically stopped or assaulted on college campuses.  Berkley burned down its own student union building.  Any evidence or stats of this being "demonstrably false?"