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  • Matts3221Matts3221 Posts: 450
    We very well may be on the way

    Remember Dec 2015?

    Everyone was saying " Don't forget this is not normal , do not normalize this person " , we have become so numb to this man's actions , the GOP is nothing but cowards who refuse to stand up for what they believe in.

    In this day and age it is so easy to see footage from 2015 , every GOP member pretty much hated him , said he was a racist , sexist monster who had no place in politics let along the white house. Now Ted Cruz is fighting for him , wondering if he remembers when Trump said that Ted Cruz's father may have been the second shooter for JFK just before the Texas primary.

    I feel this country could barley take the past four years , if reelection is won I do fear we will start to go down the path of " we should change the rules to more than two terms , because they used to "

    I also fear him losing the election and not accepting the results , or differing the election because well he can pretty much do whatever he wants or at least that is the message the GOP and his supports give him everyday.

  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 10,646
    We very well may be on the way
    Matts3221 said:

    Remember Dec 2015?

    Everyone was saying " Don't forget this is not normal , do not normalize this person " , we have become so numb to this man's actions , the GOP is nothing but cowards who refuse to stand up for what they believe in.

    In this day and age it is so easy to see footage from 2015 , every GOP member pretty much hated him , said he was a racist , sexist monster who had no place in politics let along the white house. Now Ted Cruz is fighting for him , wondering if he remembers when Trump said that Ted Cruz's father may have been the second shooter for JFK just before the Texas primary.

    I feel this country could barley take the past four years , if reelection is won I do fear we will start to go down the path of " we should change the rules to more than two terms , because they used to "

    I also fear him losing the election and not accepting the results , or differing the election because well he can pretty much do whatever he wants or at least that is the message the GOP and his supports give him everyday.

    if (god help us all and hopefully it's actually 'when') he loses there is no way he isn't claiming it was rigged. no way right off the bat is he accepting the results. it's going to be Bush-Gore all over again the courts will be the deciding factor. and they will side with the election results but i agree it could get real ugly
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,757

    Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone's sentencing

    The revised sentencing memorandum, which is expected to be filed in Washington federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after President Donald Trump publicly criticized the recommendation, and the move will again raise questions about the Justice Department's independence from political pressure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,172
    dignin said:

    Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone's sentencing

    The revised sentencing memorandum, which is expected to be filed in Washington federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after President Donald Trump publicly criticized the recommendation, and the move will again raise questions about the Justice Department's independence from political pressure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html

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  • dignindignin Posts: 8,757
    dignin said:

    Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone's sentencing

    The revised sentencing memorandum, which is expected to be filed in Washington federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after President Donald Trump publicly criticized the recommendation, and the move will again raise questions about the Justice Department's independence from political pressure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html

    Banana republic.
    Rotten banana republic.
    Barrana republic?
  • Matts3221Matts3221 Posts: 450
    We very well may be on the way
    pjhawks said:
    Matts3221 said:

    Remember Dec 2015?

    Everyone was saying " Don't forget this is not normal , do not normalize this person " , we have become so numb to this man's actions , the GOP is nothing but cowards who refuse to stand up for what they believe in.

    In this day and age it is so easy to see footage from 2015 , every GOP member pretty much hated him , said he was a racist , sexist monster who had no place in politics let along the white house. Now Ted Cruz is fighting for him , wondering if he remembers when Trump said that Ted Cruz's father may have been the second shooter for JFK just before the Texas primary.

    I feel this country could barley take the past four years , if reelection is won I do fear we will start to go down the path of " we should change the rules to more than two terms , because they used to "

    I also fear him losing the election and not accepting the results , or differing the election because well he can pretty much do whatever he wants or at least that is the message the GOP and his supports give him everyday.

    if (god help us all and hopefully it's actually 'when') he loses there is no way he isn't claiming it was rigged. no way right off the bat is he accepting the results. it's going to be Bush-Gore all over again the courts will be the deciding factor. and they will side with the election results but i agree it could get real ugly


    I keep telling my wife , even if he loses it is going to be so ugly , I hate to say it but come October and how much Trump will lash out at everyone and everything is scary to me.

    I truly hope this is his only term but I just don't know , again fraud election , stolen from me , executive order  , get supreme court involved. With our luck it will be Florida again. If any thinks Rick Scott would not fuck us all over to get him back in office. It really will be Bush V Gore again.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 23,941
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    Matts3221 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Matts3221 said:

    Remember Dec 2015?

    Everyone was saying " Don't forget this is not normal , do not normalize this person " , we have become so numb to this man's actions , the GOP is nothing but cowards who refuse to stand up for what they believe in.

    In this day and age it is so easy to see footage from 2015 , every GOP member pretty much hated him , said he was a racist , sexist monster who had no place in politics let along the white house. Now Ted Cruz is fighting for him , wondering if he remembers when Trump said that Ted Cruz's father may have been the second shooter for JFK just before the Texas primary.

    I feel this country could barley take the past four years , if reelection is won I do fear we will start to go down the path of " we should change the rules to more than two terms , because they used to "

    I also fear him losing the election and not accepting the results , or differing the election because well he can pretty much do whatever he wants or at least that is the message the GOP and his supports give him everyday.

    if (god help us all and hopefully it's actually 'when') he loses there is no way he isn't claiming it was rigged. no way right off the bat is he accepting the results. it's going to be Bush-Gore all over again the courts will be the deciding factor. and they will side with the election results but i agree it could get real ugly


    I keep telling my wife , even if he loses it is going to be so ugly , I hate to say it but come October and how much Trump will lash out at everyone and everything is scary to me.

    I truly hope this is his only term but I just don't know , again fraud election , stolen from me , executive order  , get supreme court involved. With our luck it will be Florida again. If any thinks Rick Scott would not fuck us all over to get him back in office. It really will be Bush V Gore again.

    and a conservative stacked SCOTUS
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,896
    We very well may be on the way
    dignin said:

    Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone's sentencing

    The revised sentencing memorandum, which is expected to be filed in Washington federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after President Donald Trump publicly criticized the recommendation, and the move will again raise questions about the Justice Department's independence from political pressure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html

    Banana republic.
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    A sad day to be an American.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,280
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,029
    We very well may be on the way
    dignin said:

    Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone's sentencing

    The revised sentencing memorandum, which is expected to be filed in Washington federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after President Donald Trump publicly criticized the recommendation, and the move will again raise questions about the Justice Department's independence from political pressure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,322
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    dignin said:

    Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone's sentencing

    The revised sentencing memorandum, which is expected to be filed in Washington federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after President Donald Trump publicly criticized the recommendation, and the move will again raise questions about the Justice Department's independence from political pressure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html

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    did someone say banana hammock?
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 3,185
    No way
    Come on now. People dwell on fear of the improbable enough already. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,280
    edited August 21
    We very well may be on the way
    So let's see, since this petered out we've seen the dismantling of the US Post Office and now Trump is going to send law "enforcement" to protect polling places from "fraud."

    Anyone want to change their answer here?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 8,757
    OnWis97 said:
    So let's see, since this petered out we've seen the dismantling of the US Post Office and now Trump is going to send law "enforcement" to protect polling places from "fraud."

    Anyone want to change their answer here?
    Mine remains the same. Of course.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 23,941
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    OnWis97 said:
    So let's see, since this petered out we've seen the dismantling of the US Post Office and now Trump is going to send law "enforcement" to protect polling places from "fraud."

    Anyone want to change their answer here?
    he has no authority to do so. just because he wants to be a dictator, doesn't mean he's able. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 11,572
    Dictators have not, historically, tended to play by the existing rules. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,322
    edited August 21
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    OnWis97 said:
    So let's see, since this petered out we've seen the dismantling of the US Post Office and now Trump is going to send law "enforcement" to protect polling places from "fraud."

    Anyone want to change their answer here?
    The Constitution has always been fragile.  It depends completely on the commitment to it by the citizens, the elected gov't and the military.  Loss of trust in the institutions by any of those three entity could lead to collapse and potentially an authoritarian figure.  Trump on his own could never achieve such an end.  Nor could Trump plus his voters.  The reality is, like it is in every other country, the fate of the democracy rests in the military truly believing and honoring its oath to the Constitution.  
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 11,572
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    So let's see, since this petered out we've seen the dismantling of the US Post Office and now Trump is going to send law "enforcement" to protect polling places from "fraud."

    Anyone want to change their answer here?
    The Constitution has always been fragile.  It depends completely on the commitment to it by the citizens, the elected gov't and the military.  Loss of trust in the institutions by any of those three entity could lead to collapse and potentially an authoritarian figure.  Trump on his own could never achieve such an end.  Nor could Trump plus his voters.  The reality is, like it is in every other country, the fate of the democracy rests in the military truly believing and honoring its oath to the Constitution.  

    I agree it isn't about one factor, i.e. his desire for this, or even his desire plus support of his inner circle, but several factors falling into place. I don't entirely rule it out, though. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,322
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    So let's see, since this petered out we've seen the dismantling of the US Post Office and now Trump is going to send law "enforcement" to protect polling places from "fraud."

    Anyone want to change their answer here?
    The Constitution has always been fragile.  It depends completely on the commitment to it by the citizens, the elected gov't and the military.  Loss of trust in the institutions by any of those three entity could lead to collapse and potentially an authoritarian figure.  Trump on his own could never achieve such an end.  Nor could Trump plus his voters.  The reality is, like it is in every other country, the fate of the democracy rests in the military truly believing and honoring its oath to the Constitution.  

    I agree it isn't about one factor, i.e. his desire for this, or even his desire plus support of his inner circle, but several factors falling into place. I don't entirely rule it out, though. 
    Definitely can't rule it out. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,891
    No way
    The US has been an authoritarian...how many people are sitting in US jails on trumped up charges, are serving sentences that are excessive and trumped up cannabis charges...jeesh.  Your country doesn’t think twice about wrongfully stealing peoples freedom... from 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,280
    We very well may be on the way
    I'm very aware that the President cannot consider himself a dictator and then it's done. I knew before he was elected that he imagined himself being a dictator; not so much for the reasons we're seeing now but because he'd spent his entire life around yes-men and he did not understand the office.  But I believed that the Constitution, societal norms, the public, and checks-and-balances would have us covered. I was wrong.  The Constitution prepared for Trump, but it did not prepare for an entire party to step aside and let him become a dictator.  I suppose after what Moscow Mitch did to Obama's SCOTUS appointment, I shouldn't have been so naive.  I also didn't realize the unprecedented level of devotion...

    Now?  We have a president projecting (as the right tends to do these days) about cheating. His donor is making it more difficult to vote and now he's going to have law enforcement stop people from voting (at least, that's what it looks like). Will they do that for him?  Probably. Cops love the Don.  Hell, cops in Ohio arrested Stormy Daniels for no reason a few years ago; one of our early slices of fascism.  It only takes a few of them in a few states. I don't think you'll see much activity in New York, Wyoming, Texas, California, etc.  Minnesota?  Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? Yeah.  Meanwhile, all of his devotees will #backtheblue and either talk themselves into thinking the re-election was clean or they won't even care.

    The point about the military will probably be moot.  They're not needed to help Trump win the election the way he wants to win it. It becomes an interesting point if Biden wins and Trump tries to stay in office. He'd be the Commander in Chief but I'd like to think military leadership would understand the gravity of the situation and protect the Republic, even if they do prefer Trump to Biden. But who even knows any more?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,322
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm very aware that the President cannot consider himself a dictator and then it's done. I knew before he was elected that he imagined himself being a dictator; not so much for the reasons we're seeing now but because he'd spent his entire life around yes-men and he did not understand the office.  But I believed that the Constitution, societal norms, the public, and checks-and-balances would have us covered. I was wrong.  The Constitution prepared for Trump, but it did not prepare for an entire party to step aside and let him become a dictator.  I suppose after what Moscow Mitch did to Obama's SCOTUS appointment, I shouldn't have been so naive.  I also didn't realize the unprecedented level of devotion...

    Now?  We have a president projecting (as the right tends to do these days) about cheating. His donor is making it more difficult to vote and now he's going to have law enforcement stop people from voting (at least, that's what it looks like). Will they do that for him?  Probably. Cops love the Don.  Hell, cops in Ohio arrested Stormy Daniels for no reason a few years ago; one of our early slices of fascism.  It only takes a few of them in a few states. I don't think you'll see much activity in New York, Wyoming, Texas, California, etc.  Minnesota?  Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? Yeah.  Meanwhile, all of his devotees will #backtheblue and either talk themselves into thinking the re-election was clean or they won't even care.

    The point about the military will probably be moot.  They're not needed to help Trump win the election the way he wants to win it. It becomes an interesting point if Biden wins and Trump tries to stay in office. He'd be the Commander in Chief but I'd like to think military leadership would understand the gravity of the situation and protect the Republic, even if they do prefer Trump to Biden. But who even knows any more?
    In the scenario you're scoping out, I'm not thinking about Trump winning the election illegally, I'm thinking about him losing the election and refusing to leave for a variety of a reasons/excuses. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,212
    No way
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm very aware that the President cannot consider himself a dictator and then it's done. I knew before he was elected that he imagined himself being a dictator; not so much for the reasons we're seeing now but because he'd spent his entire life around yes-men and he did not understand the office.  But I believed that the Constitution, societal norms, the public, and checks-and-balances would have us covered. I was wrong.  The Constitution prepared for Trump, but it did not prepare for an entire party to step aside and let him become a dictator.  I suppose after what Moscow Mitch did to Obama's SCOTUS appointment, I shouldn't have been so naive.  I also didn't realize the unprecedented level of devotion...

    Now?  We have a president projecting (as the right tends to do these days) about cheating. His donor is making it more difficult to vote and now he's going to have law enforcement stop people from voting (at least, that's what it looks like). Will they do that for him?  Probably. Cops love the Don.  Hell, cops in Ohio arrested Stormy Daniels for no reason a few years ago; one of our early slices of fascism.  It only takes a few of them in a few states. I don't think you'll see much activity in New York, Wyoming, Texas, California, etc.  Minnesota?  Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? Yeah.  Meanwhile, all of his devotees will #backtheblue and either talk themselves into thinking the re-election was clean or they won't even care.

    The point about the military will probably be moot.  They're not needed to help Trump win the election the way he wants to win it. It becomes an interesting point if Biden wins and Trump tries to stay in office. He'd be the Commander in Chief but I'd like to think military leadership would understand the gravity of the situation and protect the Republic, even if they do prefer Trump to Biden. But who even knows any more?
    In the scenario you're scoping out, I'm not thinking about Trump winning the election illegally, I'm thinking about him losing the election and refusing to leave for a variety of a reasons/excuses. 
    I can’t believe people actually think this. He’d be dragged out of the White House in handcuffs by the secret service or federal agents if he refused to leave on Inauguration Day. Frankly, they’d probably love to do it. These are people that have dedicated their lives to government work. They’re not going to take orders from some gameshow host any longer than the law obligates them to. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,322
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm very aware that the President cannot consider himself a dictator and then it's done. I knew before he was elected that he imagined himself being a dictator; not so much for the reasons we're seeing now but because he'd spent his entire life around yes-men and he did not understand the office.  But I believed that the Constitution, societal norms, the public, and checks-and-balances would have us covered. I was wrong.  The Constitution prepared for Trump, but it did not prepare for an entire party to step aside and let him become a dictator.  I suppose after what Moscow Mitch did to Obama's SCOTUS appointment, I shouldn't have been so naive.  I also didn't realize the unprecedented level of devotion...

    Now?  We have a president projecting (as the right tends to do these days) about cheating. His donor is making it more difficult to vote and now he's going to have law enforcement stop people from voting (at least, that's what it looks like). Will they do that for him?  Probably. Cops love the Don.  Hell, cops in Ohio arrested Stormy Daniels for no reason a few years ago; one of our early slices of fascism.  It only takes a few of them in a few states. I don't think you'll see much activity in New York, Wyoming, Texas, California, etc.  Minnesota?  Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? Yeah.  Meanwhile, all of his devotees will #backtheblue and either talk themselves into thinking the re-election was clean or they won't even care.

    The point about the military will probably be moot.  They're not needed to help Trump win the election the way he wants to win it. It becomes an interesting point if Biden wins and Trump tries to stay in office. He'd be the Commander in Chief but I'd like to think military leadership would understand the gravity of the situation and protect the Republic, even if they do prefer Trump to Biden. But who even knows any more?
    In the scenario you're scoping out, I'm not thinking about Trump winning the election illegally, I'm thinking about him losing the election and refusing to leave for a variety of a reasons/excuses. 
    I can’t believe people actually think this. He’d be dragged out of the White House in handcuffs by the secret service or federal agents if he refused to leave on Inauguration Day. Frankly, they’d probably love to do it. These are people that have dedicated their lives to government work. They’re not going to take orders from some gameshow host any longer than the law obligates them to. 
    One would hope not.  But don't underestimate what Trump offers to the leaders in return for fealty.  I'm not saying it's going to happen nor is it probable. I'm saying I believe he will do whatever he can to not lose.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,280
    We very well may be on the way
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm very aware that the President cannot consider himself a dictator and then it's done. I knew before he was elected that he imagined himself being a dictator; not so much for the reasons we're seeing now but because he'd spent his entire life around yes-men and he did not understand the office.  But I believed that the Constitution, societal norms, the public, and checks-and-balances would have us covered. I was wrong.  The Constitution prepared for Trump, but it did not prepare for an entire party to step aside and let him become a dictator.  I suppose after what Moscow Mitch did to Obama's SCOTUS appointment, I shouldn't have been so naive.  I also didn't realize the unprecedented level of devotion...

    Now?  We have a president projecting (as the right tends to do these days) about cheating. His donor is making it more difficult to vote and now he's going to have law enforcement stop people from voting (at least, that's what it looks like). Will they do that for him?  Probably. Cops love the Don.  Hell, cops in Ohio arrested Stormy Daniels for no reason a few years ago; one of our early slices of fascism.  It only takes a few of them in a few states. I don't think you'll see much activity in New York, Wyoming, Texas, California, etc.  Minnesota?  Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? Yeah.  Meanwhile, all of his devotees will #backtheblue and either talk themselves into thinking the re-election was clean or they won't even care.

    The point about the military will probably be moot.  They're not needed to help Trump win the election the way he wants to win it. It becomes an interesting point if Biden wins and Trump tries to stay in office. He'd be the Commander in Chief but I'd like to think military leadership would understand the gravity of the situation and protect the Republic, even if they do prefer Trump to Biden. But who even knows any more?
    In the scenario you're scoping out, I'm not thinking about Trump winning the election illegally, I'm thinking about him losing the election and refusing to leave for a variety of a reasons/excuses. 
    In the scenario of him losing, it gets messy and I really hope we can just get him out and move on.  Barr is an absolute evil genius...hopefully he’ll focus on saving Trump’s ass with the SDNY as opposed to working on getting him inaugurated.

    It’s a Trump win where I think it’s over for the America we know, particularly if Moscow Mitch wins and the GQP retains the Senate. Also, the win will come with blatant cheating that the GQP will look the other way on.  We’re looking at a one-party system.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 23,941
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    Dictators have not, historically, tended to play by the existing rules. 
    i'm quite aware, changing the constitution is pretty damn difficult. no way it happens. it just won't. 

    all of the other shit that people are up in arms about (including myself) "he can't do that, can he?", depends on the senate and their willingness to hold him to account or not. getting on the ballot a 3rd time would require an amendment, which you obviously know. 

    this isn't the same as his executive orders to stop travel from islamic countries (which also ultimately failed). 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 23,941
    edited August 24
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    if he loses he'll probably file with the courts to overturn, which will get shot down. 

    i'm not saying he won't try. he will. he'll whine and cry all the way from nov 3 to jan 20. and there might even be blood spilled. but he won't stay in office if he loses. 
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 13,268
    edited August 25
    Anything's possible, but not time to worry
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm very aware that the President cannot consider himself a dictator and then it's done. I knew before he was elected that he imagined himself being a dictator; not so much for the reasons we're seeing now but because he'd spent his entire life around yes-men and he did not understand the office.  But I believed that the Constitution, societal norms, the public, and checks-and-balances would have us covered. I was wrong.  The Constitution prepared for Trump, but it did not prepare for an entire party to step aside and let him become a dictator.  I suppose after what Moscow Mitch did to Obama's SCOTUS appointment, I shouldn't have been so naive.  I also didn't realize the unprecedented level of devotion...

    Now?  We have a president projecting (as the right tends to do these days) about cheating. His donor is making it more difficult to vote and now he's going to have law enforcement stop people from voting (at least, that's what it looks like). Will they do that for him?  Probably. Cops love the Don.  Hell, cops in Ohio arrested Stormy Daniels for no reason a few years ago; one of our early slices of fascism.  It only takes a few of them in a few states. I don't think you'll see much activity in New York, Wyoming, Texas, California, etc.  Minnesota?  Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? Yeah.  Meanwhile, all of his devotees will #backtheblue and either talk themselves into thinking the re-election was clean or they won't even care.

    The point about the military will probably be moot.  They're not needed to help Trump win the election the way he wants to win it. It becomes an interesting point if Biden wins and Trump tries to stay in office. He'd be the Commander in Chief but I'd like to think military leadership would understand the gravity of the situation and protect the Republic, even if they do prefer Trump to Biden. But who even knows any more?
    In the scenario you're scoping out, I'm not thinking about Trump winning the election illegally, I'm thinking about him losing the election and refusing to leave for a variety of a reasons/excuses. 
    I can’t believe people actually think this. He’d be dragged out of the White House in handcuffs by the secret service or federal agents if he refused to leave on Inauguration Day. Frankly, they’d probably love to do it. These are people that have dedicated their lives to government work. They’re not going to take orders from some gameshow host any longer than the law obligates them to. 
    One would hope not.  But don't underestimate what Trump offers to the leaders in return for fealty.  I'm not saying it's going to happen nor is it probable. I'm saying I believe he will do whatever he can to not lose.
    I think the Republican leaders fear Trump and that is why he gets their devotion.  They don’t get anything from him other than he doesn’t attack them.  Once he is out of office the Lindsay Graham’s of the party will be thrilled he is gone and they don’t have to deal with his hold over the base.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,280
    We very well may be on the way
    Anybody wanna change their vote?  I'm sitting on mine, but I think I might be bumping it "up" before December 14.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,257
    We very well may be on the way
    OnWis97 said:
    Anybody wanna change their vote?  I'm sitting on mine, but I think I might be bumping it "up" before December 14.
    I bet most would change specially with what’s happened over the last two weeks! I wonder what Vegas odds are that the Covidiot doesn’t leave on 1/21?
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