2024/2025 NBA Season October 22nd Opening Tip off! Pg 112

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

Reggie Miller is the most overrated player in NBA history. In his prime, he basically averaged 21/3/3 while playing absolutely no defense. Plus he couldn't create his own shot. That's why the Pacers ran him around picks like a mouse in a maze. He has some good clutch moments here and there and was certainly memorable. But not all that great to the point where he should be on this anniversary team. 

Rodman was a part of five championships and was a huge cog in them. Same goes for Parker and Ginobli though, and they're not on the list.

Anthony Davis made the team, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say he got the shot end of the stick. 

Anthony, Carmelo.  I said I would pull Anthony Davis off that team.  Anthony Davis isn't top 10 in anything yet, lol.

Parker and Ginoboli were good but not great.  Not game changers IMO.  I like both of them too.  

Dennis Rodman altered games w his play.  You don't get 17 boards a game and draw fouls and not give the other team fits.

Reggie Miller's defense back then was not elite but he guarded Jordan.  Today?  Dude would win DPOTY today!  This is something that I disagree w Bill Simmons about.

Mutumbo and Mourning are 2 on the cusp for me also.

Bill Walton?  he might get nixed too but he was really good when he was healthy.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So apparently Kyrie Irving was selected to the 75th anniversary team.....but then removed....presumably due to his anti-vaccine stance. I've seen articles about this...so I tested it out. When I searched on Bing for "Kyrie Irving NBA 75" this link is in the results.....



But when you click the link now, you get an error message....

https://www.nba.com/nets/video/2021/10/20/nba-75-kyrie-irving


Whether Kyrie is a top-75 player is debatable. But if he got voted on, pulling him for his anti-vaxx stance is pretty lame. 

I saw that list.  I would have removed him if I saw it on there.  Also Ant Davis and Ray Allen.

If they kept DsBusschere then Ben Wallace should have been added.

Damian Lillard I have a hard time w being on the list too.

James Worthy at 76 is disrespectful.  He was a tremendous player.

Well first off, they're not ranked. He's last because of alphabetical order. 

As for DeBusschere, everyone from the 50th anniversary team made this one, which is why they shouldn't have voted from scratch. They should've just added 25 guys to the original 50. I'm fine with DeBusschere and everyone else in the original 50. 

I don't think the following players belong.....

Reggie Miller
Dame Lillard
Dennis Rodman (I'm a huge fan and appreciate his game, but he doesn't belong here)
Anthony Davis (would've gone with Dwight Howard over him)
Carmelo Anthony

Don't know who I'd replace these guys with though. But nothing about any of these guys suggest "all-time team" to me. Frankly, Rodman comes the closest. 

 


I would put on Ben Wallace for being a defensive menace and winning those championships.  
 

That championship. Singular. 2004. One only.

Yeah yeah, they lost the second time...

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Reggie Miller is the most overrated player in NBA history. In his prime, he basically averaged 21/3/3 while playing absolutely no defense. Plus he couldn't create his own shot. That's why the Pacers ran him around picks like a mouse in a maze. He has some good clutch moments here and there and was certainly memorable. But not all that great to the point where he should be on this anniversary team. 

Rodman was a part of five championships and was a huge cog in them. Same goes for Parker and Ginobli though, and they're not on the list.

Anthony Davis made the team, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say he got the shot end of the stick. 

Anthony, Carmelo.  I said I would pull Anthony Davis off that team.  Anthony Davis isn't top 10 in anything yet, lol.

Parker and Ginoboli were good but not great.  Not game changers IMO.  I like both of them too.  

Dennis Rodman altered games w his play.  You don't get 17 boards a game and draw fouls and not give the other team fits.

Reggie Miller's defense back then was not elite but he guarded Jordan.  Today?  Dude would win DPOTY today!  This is something that I disagree w Bill Simmons about.

Mutumbo and Mourning are 2 on the cusp for me also.

Bill Walton?  he might get nixed too but he was really good when he was healthy.

It's not like he guarded Jordan every game. 

With regards to Bill Simmons, I'm guessing you noticed that my anti-Miller rant is basically taken right out of Simmons' Book of Basketball. Like you, there's a lot I disagree with Simmons on, but I think he's 100% dead-on when it comes to Reggie. We'll have to agree to disagree. 

I got confused and thought you meant Davis when you said "Anthony." But no I don't think Carmelo belongs. Well....let me rephrase that. I wouldn't vote for him. I understand people voting for him though. Of course he's top-10 all-time in scoring....because he's top-10 in FG attempts. I don't know, he's just epitome of a guy putting up stats but never winning anything. I just was never a fan. 

I'm not gonna argue on Rodman because I've spent so many years arguing your side of the argument. So I don't disagree that he was a great, important player. I'm just not sure I'd have him on this list. 

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Reggie Miller is the most overrated player in NBA history. In his prime, he basically averaged 21/3/3 while playing absolutely no defense. Plus he couldn't create his own shot. That's why the Pacers ran him around picks like a mouse in a maze. He has some good clutch moments here and there and was certainly memorable. But not all that great to the point where he should be on this anniversary team. 

Rodman was a part of five championships and was a huge cog in them. Same goes for Parker and Ginobli though, and they're not on the list.

Anthony Davis made the team, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say he got the shot end of the stick. 

Anthony, Carmelo.  I said I would pull Anthony Davis off that team.  Anthony Davis isn't top 10 in anything yet, lol.

Parker and Ginoboli were good but not great.  Not game changers IMO.  I like both of them too.  

Dennis Rodman altered games w his play.  You don't get 17 boards a game and draw fouls and not give the other team fits.

Reggie Miller's defense back then was not elite but he guarded Jordan.  Today?  Dude would win DPOTY today!  This is something that I disagree w Bill Simmons about.

Mutumbo and Mourning are 2 on the cusp for me also.

Bill Walton?  he might get nixed too but he was really good when he was healthy.

It's not like he guarded Jordan every game. 

With regards to Bill Simmons, I'm guessing you noticed that my anti-Miller rant is basically taken right out of Simmons' Book of Basketball. Like you, there's a lot I disagree with Simmons on, but I think he's 100% dead-on when it comes to Reggie. We'll have to agree to disagree. 

I got confused and thought you meant Davis when you said "Anthony." But no I don't think Carmelo belongs. Well....let me rephrase that. I wouldn't vote for him. I understand people voting for him though. Of course he's top-10 all-time in scoring....because he's top-10 in FG attempts. I don't know, he's just epitome of a guy putting up stats but never winning anything. I just was never a fan. 

I'm not gonna argue on Rodman because I've spent so many years arguing your side of the argument. So I don't disagree that he was a great, important player. I'm just not sure I'd have him on this list. 

Melo I have a soft spot for.  He could be put in the same book as Nique and lillard but no one can guard him. He’s not a leader which was his major downfall.

Yes I figured you borrowed some of Simmon’s views on Reggie, lol.  I watched enough games w him that he would get my vote for sure.

Pap

tempo_n_groove said:

The greatest pick-and-roll pairing, i.e. Karl Malone and John Stockton, is included!!

Jumb0

Ja dropped 30 again last night to beat the Warriors. Currently leading the league in scoring. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1453948346612125696

tempo_n_groove

Jumb0 said:

Ja dropped 30 again last night to beat the Warriors. Currently leading the league in scoring. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1453948346612125696

I seriously hope he breaks through further.  Dude has talent.  Really young team except Adams in the paint.

The Juggler

Yeah Morant is gonna be a star for the next decade plus. Saw him play in person a couple years ago against the Sixers. Fun to watch.

23scidoo

The Juggler said:

Yeah Morant is gonna be a star for the next decade plus. Saw him play in person a couple years ago against the Sixers. Fun to watch.

Last year i said he is the future!!

23scidoo

I haven't seen any game yet but I've read lot if good things about Bulls..

The Juggler

23scidoo said:

I haven't seen any game yet but I've read lot if good things about Bulls..

Lavine, DeRozen, and Vuc seem to have meshed very well very quickly. Sixers have them tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing them. 

xavier mcdaniel

The Juggler said:

23scidoo said:

I haven't seen any game yet but I've read lot if good things about Bulls..

Lavine, DeRozen, and Vuc seem to have meshed very well very quickly. Sixers have them tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing them. 

That was a really impressive fourth quarter by the Bulls.

Ledbetterman10

Barkley on Zion's weight gain: 

https://youtu.be/__JFeoChvu8

Jumb0

PREACH

https://twitter.com/PAKA_FLOCKA/status/1456072571275956226?s=20

tempo_n_groove

Jumb0 said:

PREACH

https://twitter.com/PAKA_FLOCKA/status/1456072571275956226?s=20

I would be happy with that.  More Trae, Luka, Joker and Lillard too while we are at it.

The Juggler

xavier mcdaniel said:

The Juggler said:

23scidoo said:

I haven't seen any game yet but I've read lot if good things about Bulls..

Lavine, DeRozen, and Vuc seem to have meshed very well very quickly. Sixers have them tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing them. 

That was a really impressive fourth quarter by the Bulls.

Another good 4th last night. Not quite good enough though. lol

tempo_n_groove

Anybody following this?  Apparently the new ball sucks and the players hate it.  Shooting percentages are down throughout the league.

Crazy right?
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/05/1052968053/the-new-nba-basketball-is-throwing-players-off-their-game

cutz

^^^You'd have think they get use to it?^^^

tempo_n_groove

Jokic throwing that Heat player never made a buzz on here huh?  He got pushed from the back and rived in agony on the ground holding his head.  C'mon now.  Looks like he just got punked by Jokic and didn't want none of that.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/11/09/jokic-ejected/
Butler seemed to want some though.  I wish him luck but I don't think it would end well for Mr Jimmy.

No Jokic shouldn't be suspended.  if he does then Morris gets suspended too.  The game is about over, you do a bullshit cheap shot and the guy who you fouled puts u on your ass for it.

tempo_n_groove

Jokic got a game.  Morris' brother tweeted about it and the Jokic Brothers responded, lol.

You can't make this shit up.