2024/2025 NBA Season October 22nd Opening Tip off! Pg 112

Poncier

Wobbie said:

and fuck chris paul, wherever he ends up.

Word is he'll end up in Utah on the Jizz.

tempo_n_groove

CROJAM95 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CROJAM95 said:

IM GLAD Denver won how they did. 

no super team in only a few coastal towns bullshit....mostly Draft picks developed over time

There are no superteams anymore.  I mentioned that wasn't a thing anymore a bit ago too.  I think those days are all over now unless Durant decides to go back to GS.

Congrats to Denver.

Murray thinks they can run it again.  I think they can too.

See ya'll next year.

Well this didn’t age well , Beal trade certainly does

And I’m sure more to come 

They get rid of CP3 and add a younger guy.  It's still the same formula they had before and couldn't win.

Beal would have been a perfect fit on the Lakers.  Five years I was hoping they would get him but nope...

Ja Morant suspended for 25 games.

JeBurkhardt

My son has been a Suns fan for a long time and seems pretty happy with it. If Beal and Durant can stay healthy and Beal can be the player he was a few years ago, they will be tough, but depth is going to be an issue with such a top heavy salary structure.  

CROJAM95

Yea only 9 year difference in age… the older guy one of the most overrated players in nba history… whenever he leaves somewhere that team seams to do better

not saying suns win anything, but this is the definition of a “ super team”

Potential Lillard trade would create another 

tempo_n_groove

CROJAM95 said:

Yea only 9 year difference in age… the older guy one of the most overrated players in nba history… whenever he leaves somewhere that team seams to do better

not saying suns win anything, but this is the definition of a “ super team”

Potential Lillard trade would create another 

CP3 is the Doc Rivers of Players.  He can get you there but can't seal the deal.  Think of how many places he has gone to and the tams all did better but couldn't close it out?

It'll be an interesting dynamic but like Burkhardt said, they don't have depth.

Speaking of Lillard.  Where's he going, Miami?  He stuck around to see if Portland would get him some help and they did nadda. Lillard going to Miami is super team.  They'd have Oladipo, Jimmy, Herro, Adebayo, Lowry and Love.  A few aging players but still that's all all stars.

I keep hearing about Zion getting traded?  I also heard that he isn't playing because he doesn't like New Orleans.  I wonder if that's true?

CROJAM95

Zion needs to stop eating, if I were the Knicks I’d kick the tires. 

tempo_n_groove

CROJAM95 said:

Zion needs to stop eating, if I were the Knicks I’d kick the tires. 

I've heard that too.  I think Zion always wanted to play here in NY.

He also needs to stop messing with strippers, lol.

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

CROJAM95 said:

Yea only 9 year difference in age… the older guy one of the most overrated players in nba history… whenever he leaves somewhere that team seams to do better

not saying suns win anything, but this is the definition of a “ super team”

Potential Lillard trade would create another 

Speaking of Lillard.  Where's he going, Miami?  He stuck around to see if Portland would get him some help and they did nadda. Lillard going to Miami is super team.  They'd have Oladipo, Jimmy, Herro, Adebayo, Lowry and Love.  A few aging players but still that's all all stars.

Oladipo, Lowry and Love?
Oladipo may never play again.
Lowry is 37, 6'0" tall and 369 lbs, in the last year of an albatross of a contract (which may be sent to Portland as part of the deal as it is expiring).
Love is 34 and an unrestricted free agent.

CROJAM95

Chris Paul says he was surprised by the trade 🤣

cmon guy, who you kidding 
been talked about for long time 

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CROJAM95 said:

Yea only 9 year difference in age… the older guy one of the most overrated players in nba history… whenever he leaves somewhere that team seams to do better

not saying suns win anything, but this is the definition of a “ super team”

Potential Lillard trade would create another 

Speaking of Lillard.  Where's he going, Miami?  He stuck around to see if Portland would get him some help and they did nadda. Lillard going to Miami is super team.  They'd have Oladipo, Jimmy, Herro, Adebayo, Lowry and Love.  A few aging players but still that's all all stars.

Oladipo, Lowry and Love?
Oladipo may never play again.
Lowry is 37, 6'0" tall and 369 lbs, in the last year of an albatross of a contract (which may be sent to Portland as part of the deal as it is expiring).
Love is 34 and an unrestricted free agent.

Yes, those 3, all allstars and aging like I mentioned.

I thought he was coming back from that injury though? I did not hear that he wasn't going to play anymore.

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CROJAM95 said:

Yea only 9 year difference in age… the older guy one of the most overrated players in nba history… whenever he leaves somewhere that team seams to do better

not saying suns win anything, but this is the definition of a “ super team”

Potential Lillard trade would create another 

Speaking of Lillard.  Where's he going, Miami?  He stuck around to see if Portland would get him some help and they did nadda. Lillard going to Miami is super team.  They'd have Oladipo, Jimmy, Herro, Adebayo, Lowry and Love.  A few aging players but still that's all all stars.

Oladipo, Lowry and Love?
Oladipo may never play again.
Lowry is 37, 6'0" tall and 369 lbs, in the last year of an albatross of a contract (which may be sent to Portland as part of the deal as it is expiring).
Love is 34 and an unrestricted free agent.

I thought he was coming back from that injury though? I did not hear that he wasn't going to play anymore.

TBD.
But he was a shell of himself the last couple years anyway, this latest injury and surgery makes it harder for him to come back and be effective. His previous injury took close to 3 years for him to fully recover.
Heat may end up trading him (he was mentioned as going with Lowry to Washington for Beal) to use his expiring salary as a trade chip (assuming he opts in which is pretty much a certainty). He will miss at least some part of next season, based on his personal history, could be all of next season. Dude is just snake bitten.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CROJAM95 said:

Yea only 9 year difference in age… the older guy one of the most overrated players in nba history… whenever he leaves somewhere that team seams to do better

not saying suns win anything, but this is the definition of a “ super team”

Potential Lillard trade would create another 

Speaking of Lillard.  Where's he going, Miami?  He stuck around to see if Portland would get him some help and they did nadda. Lillard going to Miami is super team.  They'd have Oladipo, Jimmy, Herro, Adebayo, Lowry and Love.  A few aging players but still that's all all stars.

Oladipo, Lowry and Love?
Oladipo may never play again.
Lowry is 37, 6'0" tall and 369 lbs, in the last year of an albatross of a contract (which may be sent to Portland as part of the deal as it is expiring).
Love is 34 and an unrestricted free agent.

I thought he was coming back from that injury though? I did not hear that he wasn't going to play anymore.

TBD.
But he was a shell of himself the last couple years anyway, this latest injury and surgery makes it harder for him to come back and be effective. His previous injury took close to 3 years for him to fully recover.
Heat may end up trading him (he was mentioned as going with Lowry to Washington for Beal) to use his expiring salary as a trade chip (assuming he opts in which is pretty much a certainty). He will miss at least some part of next season, based on his personal history, could be all of next season. Dude is just snake bitten.

He hasn't been the same since that nasty leg break.  I really liked him too.  Oh well.

Wobbie

wondering what poncier thinks of the smart trade…

was it smart?

Poncier

Wobbie said:

wondering what poncier thinks of the smart trade…

was it smart?

If Porzingis can stay healthy, huge win for the Celtics. While Smart will be missed, they have White and Brogdon to fill the role, plus likely will hold on to Pritchard now to back them up.
Plus, it removes the Smart/Jaylen Brown power struggle dynamic from the locker room (Tatum just sits quietly off in the corner), so could lead to a more harmonious overall vibe.

And they picked up 2 first round picks, basically moved from #35 to #25 this year and have Golden Shower's first rounder for 2024. Here's hoping the Warriors fall into the lottery.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Wobbie said:

wondering what poncier thinks of the smart trade…

was it smart?

If Porzingis can stay healthy, huge win for the Celtics. While Smart will be missed, they have White and Brogdon to fill the role, plus likely will hold on to Pritchard now to back them up.
Plus, it removes the Smart/Jaylen Brown power struggle dynamic from the locker room (Tatum just sits quietly off in the corner), so could lead to a more harmonious overall vibe.

And they picked up 2 first round picks, basically moved from #35 to #25 this year and have Golden Shower's first rounder for 2024. Here's hoping the Warriors fall into the lottery.

You were the first person to say that Brown and Tatum needed to be broken up.  Props for that.

As far as Porzingis being healthy?  Unfortunately in basketball when someone gets hurt they continue to get hurt.  Track record isn't good for players like him.

tempo_n_groove

Is anybody buying the hype on Wemby?  I think the twins will be better long term players.

eeriepadave

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anybody buying the hype on Wemby?  I think the twins will be better long term players.

just about everyone is, including me. Better stack up on the rookie cards

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Rodman scored like 4 points a game and was a defensive genius and helped win games.

Wallace scored like 6 and helped win games.  I know there are more players but if n you don’t think defense helps win games or is just dismissed for a 6th man then we are just wat off on what and how we see the game.

Comparing what Rodman and Ben Wallace brought to Caruso is laughable. Defense definitely is important (though a bit less so in this era than previous eras), but not what Caruso brings.

Rodman led the league in rebounding 7 straight seasons (and averaged 7.3PPG for his career, not 4, more than Caruso)
Wallace had 7 straight years of double digit rebounding including leading he league twice in his prime, and average d over 3 blocks in 3 straight of those seasons.

Caruso's career avg is 6.0 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.7 APG.
The only category he performs above average in (most are waaaaay below average) is steals with 1.2 SPG. His stellar defense looked great Friday, fouling out.

He should be no higher than the 8th option on a playoff team, yet he's starting for the Bulls who (checks notes) are hitting the golf course today.

I knew I'd get this from you even though he will be all NBA defense 1st team?  Got it.

He will not be first team. Got it?
He will be 2nd or 3rd.

I forgot to come back to this.

All NBA 1st team awards.

2023	Brook Lopez	C	Milwaukee Bucks	.531	15.9	6.7	1.3	2.5
	Jrue Holiday	PG	Milwaukee Bucks	.479	19.3	5.1	7.4	0.4
	Alex Caruso	SG	Chicago Bulls	.455	5.6	2.9	2.9	0.7
	Jaren Jackson Jr.	PF	Memphis Grizzlies	.506	18.6	6.8	1.0	3.0
	Evan Mobley	PF	Cleveland Cavaliers	.554	16.2	9.0	2.8	1.5

tempo_n_groove

eeriepadave said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anybody buying the hype on Wemby?  I think the twins will be better long term players.

just about everyone is, including me. Better stack up on the rookie cards

Man, I don't know...  He is built like a young Kevin Durant.

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Rodman scored like 4 points a game and was a defensive genius and helped win games.

Wallace scored like 6 and helped win games.  I know there are more players but if n you don’t think defense helps win games or is just dismissed for a 6th man then we are just wat off on what and how we see the game.

Comparing what Rodman and Ben Wallace brought to Caruso is laughable. Defense definitely is important (though a bit less so in this era than previous eras), but not what Caruso brings.

Rodman led the league in rebounding 7 straight seasons (and averaged 7.3PPG for his career, not 4, more than Caruso)
Wallace had 7 straight years of double digit rebounding including leading he league twice in his prime, and average d over 3 blocks in 3 straight of those seasons.

Caruso's career avg is 6.0 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.7 APG.
The only category he performs above average in (most are waaaaay below average) is steals with 1.2 SPG. His stellar defense looked great Friday, fouling out.

He should be no higher than the 8th option on a playoff team, yet he's starting for the Bulls who (checks notes) are hitting the golf course today.

I knew I'd get this from you even though he will be all NBA defense 1st team?  Got it.

He will not be first team. Got it?
He will be 2nd or 3rd.

I forgot to come back to this.

All NBA 1st team awards.

2023	Brook Lopez	C	Milwaukee Bucks	.531	15.9	6.7	1.3	2.5
	Jrue Holiday	PG	Milwaukee Bucks	.479	19.3	5.1	7.4	0.4
	Alex Caruso	SG	Chicago Bulls	.455	5.6	2.9	2.9	0.7
	Jaren Jackson Jr.	PF	Memphis Grizzlies	.506	18.6	6.8	1.0	3.0
	Evan Mobley	PF	Cleveland Cavaliers	.554	16.2	9.0	2.8	1.5

Took you long enough.

I have my lunch order in for today.