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So tomorrow my choices are basically Bernie, Warren, Biden, and Bloomberg. What am I going to do? I still have no idea.
Bloomberg will be be horrible, just horrible on the level of a Betsy DeVos styled appointee to the Dept of Ed (charters, corporate technocrats selling our public schools to Silicon Valley, more testing, etc). His record in NY is clear on this. I can't support him for that reason alone.
I just don't think Biden has the wits left to beat Trump in a debate. It will be so painful to watch him shuffle his feet to November and still potentially lose. As a President, I think he will be a great leader who can work with Congress to get things done and will appoint a strong Cabinet who will keep us safe and do his best to help us prosper (as much as any President can control, really not much in my view).
Sanders will either: a) lose the election; b) win but accomplish nothing except divide the country more; or c) win and bankrupt the country. None of those options work for me.
I had been favoring Warren for a while many months ago. I like her spunk. I would love to see her squash Trump in a debate. She's got the fire to do it. I think she'll campaign hard. I think she's moderated on the trail because she understands where the country is at. I think she would be a strong leader but I'm not sure where she is at currently on the issues due to her flip flops.
So it's Biden or Warren for me, and I've got less than 24 hours to decide. I'll be figuring this out in the voting booth. It's 2016 all over again.0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:
Those who hasn't in the year of the lord 2020 catched up to humane health care for their citizens will choose to Bide their time while their people are dying from what should be a given. This is The irony - of the Twilight Zone.CM189191 said:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat itCM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yep. He did.CM189191 said:
How about I just take you back to December 2019, when Biden released his actual medical recordsSpiritual_Chaos said:
Are you dragging us all back to 2015 again? Lol.CM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:
lolSpiritual_Chaos said:
My point is: talking about bills passed is as narrow as reducing a vote for someone else than Bernie as solely a vote on M4A. It is pointless.mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
I've posted two videos on the topic in this very thread a few pages, pointing to it being a skewed view of the man's history.benjs said:
Is the content untrue?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You are posting things from a known racist and sexist.CM189191 said:
Because out of all the candidates, she is by far and away the most successful legislatordignin said:Can anyone tell me why Amy K. is still in it?
Sponsored or co-sponsored over 100 bills that have been passed
Can anyone tell me why Bernie S is still in it?
Specifically, how much successful legislation has he passed?
You might want to remove that link.
If people would have watched them, that question of yours would have not had to been asked.
How many bills has Mayor "Kill your baby" Bloomberg passed?given he was a mayor , i.e. executive branch, and not a legislator, I am going with none. He only signed or didnt sign legislation into law.....I would expect he put forth ideas that the council took up.....so whats your point?
And regarding him and bills:
Seems to be a guy with character, and who doesn't throw staplers at people. What term did Pete steal from Obama for a speech.. "beacon of light" ? Maybe that is what he is.
Bernie the deadbeat dad
Bernie the deadbeat legislator
Trying to take credit for not showing up
When Is Bernie Sanders’s Weird Gang Rape Fantasy Essay Going To Come Up In The Campaign?
https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_%20j5EQzueoad.pdf
Where are Bernie's? He promised, he lied.
His social democratic values are still more noble than Bidens "eh, what am I suppose to believe in today?"-ism.
maybe Klobuchar can show Bernie how to actually pass legislation
Bernie can take his shine box back to Vermont
Bernie won't beat trump, he already lost to him once
Bernie will cost the House and make the Senate impossible to flip
and likely cost at least one more Supreme Court seat
when that happens, you can take all of Bernie's noble values and forget about them
(Bernie hasn't lost to Trump. H < T ≠ B < T )
Take if from your bestie:
Fixed!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
For youpjl44 said:
And quoting Eric GarlandSpiritual_Chaos said:
Ah, ok. You gonna go in circles.CM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Or just explain what you are getting at instead of non sequitur tweets when some questions what you are getting at.CM189191 said:
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?Or said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
?CM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Those who hasn't in the year of the lord 2020 catched up to humane health care for their citizens will choose to Bide their time while their people are dying from what should be a given. This is The irony - of the Twilight Zone.CM189191 said:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat itCM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yep. He did.CM189191 said:
How about I just take you back to December 2019, when Biden released his actual medical recordsSpiritual_Chaos said:
Are you dragging us all back to 2015 again? Lol.CM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:
lolSpiritual_Chaos said:
My point is: talking about bills passed is as narrow as reducing a vote for someone else than Bernie as solely a vote on M4A. It is pointless.mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
I've posted two videos on the topic in this very thread a few pages, pointing to it being a skewed view of the man's history.benjs said:
Is the content untrue?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You are posting things from a known racist and sexist.CM189191 said:
Because out of all the candidates, she is by far and away the most successful legislatordignin said:Can anyone tell me why Amy K. is still in it?
Sponsored or co-sponsored over 100 bills that have been passed
Can anyone tell me why Bernie S is still in it?
Specifically, how much successful legislation has he passed?
You might want to remove that link.
If people would have watched them, that question of yours would have not had to been asked.
How many bills has Mayor "Kill your baby" Bloomberg passed?given he was a mayor , i.e. executive branch, and not a legislator, I am going with none. He only signed or didnt sign legislation into law.....I would expect he put forth ideas that the council took up.....so whats your point?
And regarding him and bills:
Seems to be a guy with character, and who doesn't throw staplers at people. What term did Pete steal from Obama for a speech.. "beacon of light" ? Maybe that is what he is.
Bernie the deadbeat dad
Bernie the deadbeat legislator
Trying to take credit for not showing upWhen Is Bernie Sanders’s Weird Gang Rape Fantasy Essay Going To Come Up In The Campaign?
https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_%20j5EQzueoad.pdf
Where are Bernie's? He promised, he lied.
His social democratic values are still more noble than Bidens "eh, what am I suppose to believe in today?"-ism.
maybe Klobuchar can show Bernie how to actually pass legislation
Bernie can take his shine box back to Vermont
Bernie won't beat trump, he already lost to him once
Bernie will cost the House and make the Senate impossible to flip
and likely cost at least one more Supreme Court seat
when that happens, you can take all of Bernie's noble values and forget about them
(Bernie hasn't lost to Trump. H < T =/= B < T )
Take if from your bestie:Bernie can take his shine box back to VermontBernie won't beat trump, he already lost to him onceBernie will cost the House and make the Senate impossible to flipand likely cost at least one more Supreme Court seatwhen that happens, you can take all of Bernie's noble values and forget about them
Have fun.
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I’m voting Joe tomorrow. And fuck the debates. He doesn’t have to debate. It’s been skipped plenty of times. A debate performance is no indication of fitness to lead, as you well know.what dreams said:So tomorrow my choices are basically Bernie, Warren, Biden, and Bloomberg. What am I going to do? I still have no idea.
Bloomberg will be be horrible, just horrible on the level of a Betsy DeVos styled appointee to the Dept of Ed (charters, corporate technocrats selling our public schools to Silicon Valley, more testing, etc). His record in NY is clear on this. I can't support him for that reason alone.
I just don't think Biden has the wits left to beat Trump in a debate. It will be so painful to watch him shuffle his feet to November and still potentially lose. As a President, I think he will be a great leader who can work with Congress to get things done and will appoint a strong Cabinet who will keep us safe and do his best to help us prosper (as much as any President can control, really not much in my view).
Sanders will either: a) lose the election; b) win but accomplish nothing except divide the country more; or c) win and bankrupt the country. None of those options work for me.
I had been favoring Warren for a while many months ago. I like her spunk. I would love to see her squash Trump in a debate. She's got the fire to do it. I think she'll campaign hard. I think she's moderated on the trail because she understands where the country is at. I think she would be a strong leader but I'm not sure where she is at currently on the issues due to her flip flops.
So it's Biden or Warren for me, and I've got less than 24 hours to decide. I'll be figuring this out in the voting booth. It's 2016 all over again.0 -
I know the debates are irrelevant. But the rest of the country? And would skipping the debates really be a good look?mrussel1 said:
I’m voting Joe tomorrow. And fuck the debates. He doesn’t have to debate. It’s been skipped plenty of times. A debate performance is no indication of fitness to lead, as you well know.what dreams said:So tomorrow my choices are basically Bernie, Warren, Biden, and Bloomberg. What am I going to do? I still have no idea.
Bloomberg will be be horrible, just horrible on the level of a Betsy DeVos styled appointee to the Dept of Ed (charters, corporate technocrats selling our public schools to Silicon Valley, more testing, etc). His record in NY is clear on this. I can't support him for that reason alone.
I just don't think Biden has the wits left to beat Trump in a debate. It will be so painful to watch him shuffle his feet to November and still potentially lose. As a President, I think he will be a great leader who can work with Congress to get things done and will appoint a strong Cabinet who will keep us safe and do his best to help us prosper (as much as any President can control, really not much in my view).
Sanders will either: a) lose the election; b) win but accomplish nothing except divide the country more; or c) win and bankrupt the country. None of those options work for me.
I had been favoring Warren for a while many months ago. I like her spunk. I would love to see her squash Trump in a debate. She's got the fire to do it. I think she'll campaign hard. I think she's moderated on the trail because she understands where the country is at. I think she would be a strong leader but I'm not sure where she is at currently on the issues due to her flip flops.
So it's Biden or Warren for me, and I've got less than 24 hours to decide. I'll be figuring this out in the voting booth. It's 2016 all over again.
I recall that I have wanted to vote for Joe Biden since the 90s, and now I have a chance, and it feels like he is 90. Hahaha0 -
Just get on the cart and stay there Bernie
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By your "If Monica has 3 apples, and Mike has 4..." level of math -- Biden has lost even more to Trump than Bernie.CM189191 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Why do you keep saying that? You obviously know he didn't even go against Trump. Maybe you're suggesting he lost to the person that lost to Trump and so he can't win this time? Who the fuck knows.CM189191 said:Bernie can take his shine box back to VermontBernie won't beat trump, he already lost to him onceBernie will cost the House and make the Senate impossible to flipand likely cost at least one more Supreme Court seatwhen that happens, you can take all of Bernie's noble values and forget about them
ding!"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Last night I listened on C-Span to Trump at a rally bragging about his greatest presidency in human history.
I woke up to Sanders at a rally bragging about his campaign being the greatest campaign in human history.
The cheering crowd sounded the same.
As Sanders bragged about how much money he's raised, I couldn't help but wonder how all these cash strapped young people can send him a check every month but can't pay their loan payment.
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In the field of false equivalencewhat dreams said:Last night I listened on C-Span to Trump at a rally bragging about his greatest presidency in human history.
I woke up to Sanders at a rally bragging about his campaign being the greatest campaign in human history.
The cheering crowd sounded the same.
It's plowin' time again.
There ain't no way of telling
Where these seeds
will rise or when
I'll just wait
around 'til springtime
And then, I'll find a friend
In the field of false equivalence
It's plowin' time again.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
It is an investment in their future - they are hoping Givey McGivealot will forgive their loan payments.what dreams said:Last night I listened on C-Span to Trump at a rally bragging about his greatest presidency in human history.
I woke up to Sanders at a rally bragging about his campaign being the greatest campaign in human history.
The cheering crowd sounded the same.
As Sanders bragged about how much money he's raised, I couldn't help but wonder how all these cash strapped young people can send him a check every month but can't pay their loan payment.
Vote old Joe and give the country a chance (albeit small) at getting beyond the 🍊The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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F Me In The Brain said:
It is an investment in their future - they are hoping Givey McGivealot will forgive their loan payments.what dreams said:Last night I listened on C-Span to Trump at a rally bragging about his greatest presidency in human history.
I woke up to Sanders at a rally bragging about his campaign being the greatest campaign in human history.
The cheering crowd sounded the same.
As Sanders bragged about how much money he's raised, I couldn't help but wonder how all these cash strapped young people can send him a check every month but can't pay their loan payment.
Vote old Joe and give the country a chance (albeit small) at getting beyond the 🍊
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
You sound bitter. I don't think you understand the student loan situation for millennials.what dreams said:Last night I listened on C-Span to Trump at a rally bragging about his greatest presidency in human history.
I woke up to Sanders at a rally bragging about his campaign being the greatest campaign in human history.
The cheering crowd sounded the same.
As Sanders bragged about how much money he's raised, I couldn't help but wonder how all these cash strapped young people can send him a check every month but can't pay their loan payment.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
So many of the same Democrats who believed Hillary Clinton was inevitable four years ago are telling us Joe Biden is the answer today. I love Joe Biden and if he is the nominee I'll support him in November...but I am voting for Liz Warren today.
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