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Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Apparently mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jared Dear Boy Slumlord has a nice ring to it, does it not?

https://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-trump-kushner-baltimore-apartments-20190731-b7djej264nc67fdyp2zphhjnna-story.html

7200 units

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/455561-baltimore-county-executive-calls-out-complaints-against-kushner

havent read either. but do they state just where those properties lie? Are any in Cummings district?

they’re all in Baltimore County and I’m not familiar enough with Cummings’ district to know and they don’t specifically state such.

https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/News/BaltimoreCountyNow/jared-kushner-owned-company-fined-as-negligent-property-owner-in-baltimore-county

Gotta do some digging but regardless, maybe Team Trump Treason should put Jared Dear Boy Slumlord over his knee for a spank for contributing to the vermin infestation in Baltimore?

The terrible parts of Baltimore are in the city, not the county.  There are bad parts in the county like Dundalk, but if you're talking about like West Baltimore,  that's city.

yeah, but the city is part of the county isnt it?. the county admins that stuff, Sec 8 , welfare etc. so thats what the article focused on being they are the authoratative body.

No they are separate.  It's why the city is so poor today,  they don't get any of the tax money generated by the huge taxpayer base in the county. 

But Jared Dear Boy Slumlord was threatened with and had HUD rent payments withheld, so he profited from all US taxpayers by maximizing profits by withholding services, namely becoming code compliant. And he’s in a direct authoritative position to do something about the vermin infestation his POS father in law was complaining about. Great family with a rich tradition of fucking people over.
 

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Apparently mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jared Dear Boy Slumlord has a nice ring to it, does it not?

https://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-trump-kushner-baltimore-apartments-20190731-b7djej264nc67fdyp2zphhjnna-story.html

7200 units

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/455561-baltimore-county-executive-calls-out-complaints-against-kushner

havent read either. but do they state just where those properties lie? Are any in Cummings district?

they’re all in Baltimore County and I’m not familiar enough with Cummings’ district to know and they don’t specifically state such.

https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/News/BaltimoreCountyNow/jared-kushner-owned-company-fined-as-negligent-property-owner-in-baltimore-county

Gotta do some digging but regardless, maybe Team Trump Treason should put Jared Dear Boy Slumlord over his knee for a spank for contributing to the vermin infestation in Baltimore?

The terrible parts of Baltimore are in the city, not the county.  There are bad parts in the county like Dundalk, but if you're talking about like West Baltimore,  that's city.

yeah, but the city is part of the county isnt it?. the county admins that stuff, Sec 8 , welfare etc. so thats what the article focused on being they are the authoratative body.

No they are separate.  It's why the city is so poor today,  they don't get any of the tax money generated by the huge taxpayer base in the county. 

But Jared Dear Boy Slumlord was threatened with and had HUD rent payments withheld, so he profited from all US taxpayers by maximizing profits by withholding services, namely becoming code compliant. And he’s in a direct authoritative position to do something about the vermin infestation his POS father in law was complaining about. Great family with a rich tradition of fucking people over.
 

No argument there. 

lindamarie73

josevolution said:

He’s a piece of shit president go ahead point out one good human quality he possesses, I’ll be here waiting ? 

HughFreakingDillon said:

lindamarie73 said:

Thanks for the heads up around these parts Brain, I will check out some of those other threads you mentioned.   I can see how things can get tense around here if someone does not agree with ones politics... I am pretty simple, I cannot stand 95% of all the politicians  having the PLEASURE (LOL) of  being around many of them in my lifetime....
There is no doubt Trump has to work on his delivery, but lets face it...that will never happen.    I also doubt that Trump will ever get credit to the "Not My President" crowd for some of the good things he has done or will do for the country. 
I can see that this place provides some sort of therapy for like minded people, so I will try to mind my manners and chuckle from a far.     Looking forward to reading more of these threads when I have more time on my hands.   

honest question and not trying to argumentative out of the gate: what has he done that you think is good for the country.     Sure, just off the top of my head.....Getting tough on immigration , awesome economic growth , crazy increases in unemployment specifically for minorities and woman, First responders and military personnel have a President they feel supports them, imposing Tariffs on China who have been ripping us off for decades, Travel bans for certain countries, keeping Guantanamao Bay open, Increases in Military Budgets, and simply trying to correct all the things Barrack Obama messed up for this country.... 

The Juggler

lindamarie73 said:

josevolution said:

He’s a piece of shit president go ahead point out one good human quality he possesses, I’ll be here waiting ? 

HughFreakingDillon said:

lindamarie73 said:

Thanks for the heads up around these parts Brain, I will check out some of those other threads you mentioned.   I can see how things can get tense around here if someone does not agree with ones politics... I am pretty simple, I cannot stand 95% of all the politicians  having the PLEASURE (LOL) of  being around many of them in my lifetime....
There is no doubt Trump has to work on his delivery, but lets face it...that will never happen.    I also doubt that Trump will ever get credit to the "Not My President" crowd for some of the good things he has done or will do for the country. 
I can see that this place provides some sort of therapy for like minded people, so I will try to mind my manners and chuckle from a far.     Looking forward to reading more of these threads when I have more time on my hands.   

honest question and not trying to argumentative out of the gate: what has he done that you think is good for the country.     Sure, just off the top of my head.....Getting tough on immigration , awesome economic growth , crazy increases in unemployment specifically for minorities and woman, First responders and military personnel have a President they feel supports them, imposing Tariffs on China who have been ripping us off for decades, Travel bans for certain countries, keeping Guantanamao Bay open, Increases in Military Budgets, and simply trying to correct all the things Barrack Obama messed up for this country.... 

Immigration problem has gotten significantly worse since he took office.
Economic growth is on par with the previous 8 years despite huge tax cuts to the rich (last year's 3%+ has been downgraded to the 2% range).
The first responder and military thing is just merely your opinion. Impossible to know what they all think.
Tariffs are a tax on us and have thus far produced no results, except for hurting farmers, as evidenced by Trump's own government bailing them out.
You're happy about travel bans? Huh?
Guantanamo Bay....I guess you were happy with how Obama kept it open to?
You're happy we're spending more money on the military?


I guess it boils down to you're happy with travel bans, more spending on the military and Guantanamo Bay not being closed. 

Geez...

mrussel1

Tariffs are the worst.  
Pulling out of Paris was the worst. 
Exiting JCPOA without one ally or a plan was moronic.  

HughFreakingDillon

lindamarie73 said:

josevolution said:

He’s a piece of shit president go ahead point out one good human quality he possesses, I’ll be here waiting ? 

HughFreakingDillon said:

lindamarie73 said:

Thanks for the heads up around these parts Brain, I will check out some of those other threads you mentioned.   I can see how things can get tense around here if someone does not agree with ones politics... I am pretty simple, I cannot stand 95% of all the politicians  having the PLEASURE (LOL) of  being around many of them in my lifetime....
There is no doubt Trump has to work on his delivery, but lets face it...that will never happen.    I also doubt that Trump will ever get credit to the "Not My President" crowd for some of the good things he has done or will do for the country. 
I can see that this place provides some sort of therapy for like minded people, so I will try to mind my manners and chuckle from a far.     Looking forward to reading more of these threads when I have more time on my hands.   

honest question and not trying to argumentative out of the gate: what has he done that you think is good for the country.     Sure, just off the top of my head.....Getting tough on immigration , awesome economic growth , crazy increases in unemployment specifically for minorities and woman, First responders and military personnel have a President they feel supports them, imposing Tariffs on China who have been ripping us off for decades, Travel bans for certain countries, keeping Guantanamao Bay open, Increases in Military Budgets, and simply trying to correct all the things Barrack Obama messed up for this country.... 

well we'll have to disagree that most of those things are positive things. 

tough on immigration: obama gets blamed by the right as being the deporter in chief. but he was lax on immigration. which is it? 
awesome economic growth: riding obama's wave
crazy increases in unemployment: see above
first responders and military feel they have a president that supports them: why, just because obama criticized a few bad cops, he didn't support them as a whole?
tariffs: TARIFFS. DON'T. WORK. all it does is increase consumer costs. 
travel bans: I don't even know what to say to that. 
increases in military spending: your military spending should be shredded

I honestly have no clue why so many on the right think Obama messed so many things up. most experts put him near the top of best presidents. but the right hates him for "some" reason. "obamacare was a failure". ok, so the rollout sucked and many people had issues with their insurers. at least the guy tried. I suppose no healthcare and taking out a mortgage to have a simple operation is a great alternative. 

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

lindamarie73 said:

josevolution said:

He’s a piece of shit president go ahead point out one good human quality he possesses, I’ll be here waiting ? 

HughFreakingDillon said:

lindamarie73 said:

Thanks for the heads up around these parts Brain, I will check out some of those other threads you mentioned.   I can see how things can get tense around here if someone does not agree with ones politics... I am pretty simple, I cannot stand 95% of all the politicians  having the PLEASURE (LOL) of  being around many of them in my lifetime....
There is no doubt Trump has to work on his delivery, but lets face it...that will never happen.    I also doubt that Trump will ever get credit to the "Not My President" crowd for some of the good things he has done or will do for the country. 
I can see that this place provides some sort of therapy for like minded people, so I will try to mind my manners and chuckle from a far.     Looking forward to reading more of these threads when I have more time on my hands.   

honest question and not trying to argumentative out of the gate: what has he done that you think is good for the country.     Sure, just off the top of my head.....Getting tough on immigration , awesome economic growth , crazy increases in unemployment specifically for minorities and woman, First responders and military personnel have a President they feel supports them, imposing Tariffs on China who have been ripping us off for decades, Travel bans for certain countries, keeping Guantanamao Bay open, Increases in Military Budgets, and simply trying to correct all the things Barrack Obama messed up for this country.... 

well we'll have to disagree that most of those things are positive things. 

tough on immigration: obama gets blamed by the right as being the deporter in chief. but he was lax on immigration. which is it? 
awesome economic growth: riding obama's wave
crazy increases in unemployment: see above
first responders and military feel they have a president that supports them: why, just because obama criticized a few bad cops, he didn't support them as a whole?
tariffs: TARIFFS. DON'T. WORK. all it does is increase consumer costs. 
travel bans: I don't even know what to say to that. 
increases in military spending: your military spending should be shredded

I honestly have no clue why so many on the right think Obama messed so many things up. most experts put him near the top of best presidents. but the right hates him for "some" reason. "obamacare was a failure". ok, so the rollout sucked and many people had issues with their insurers. at least the guy tried. I suppose no healthcare and taking out a mortgage to have a simple operation is a great alternative. 

If they're being honest it's because he looks different than most of them and they just completely forget that he inherited the worst economic crisis since the depression 

cincybearcat

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

lindamarie73 said:

josevolution said:

He’s a piece of shit president go ahead point out one good human quality he possesses, I’ll be here waiting ? 

HughFreakingDillon said:

lindamarie73 said:

Thanks for the heads up around these parts Brain, I will check out some of those other threads you mentioned.   I can see how things can get tense around here if someone does not agree with ones politics... I am pretty simple, I cannot stand 95% of all the politicians  having the PLEASURE (LOL) of  being around many of them in my lifetime....
There is no doubt Trump has to work on his delivery, but lets face it...that will never happen.    I also doubt that Trump will ever get credit to the "Not My President" crowd for some of the good things he has done or will do for the country. 
I can see that this place provides some sort of therapy for like minded people, so I will try to mind my manners and chuckle from a far.     Looking forward to reading more of these threads when I have more time on my hands.   

honest question and not trying to argumentative out of the gate: what has he done that you think is good for the country.     Sure, just off the top of my head.....Getting tough on immigration , awesome economic growth , crazy increases in unemployment specifically for minorities and woman, First responders and military personnel have a President they feel supports them, imposing Tariffs on China who have been ripping us off for decades, Travel bans for certain countries, keeping Guantanamao Bay open, Increases in Military Budgets, and simply trying to correct all the things Barrack Obama messed up for this country.... 

Immigration problem has gotten significantly worse since he took office.
Economic growth is on par with the previous 8 years despite huge tax cuts to the rich (last year's 3%+ has been downgraded to the 2% range).
The first responder and military thing is just merely your opinion. Impossible to know what they all think.
Tariffs are a tax on us and have thus far produced no results, except for hurting farmers, as evidenced by Trump's own government bailing them out.
You're happy about travel bans? Huh?
Guantanamo Bay....I guess you were happy with how Obama kept it open to?
You're happy we're spending more money on the military?


I guess it boils down to you're happy with travel bans, more spending on the military and Guantanamo Bay not being closed. 

Geez...

Question about the farmer bailout thing?

Isn't that bullshit?  The government has been bailing out farmers for as long as I can remember.  This time shouldn't be any different?

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

from everything i've read, because before all of trump's tariff talk, I honestly did not know anything about it, tariffs basically act as a back end tax on goods if everyone still wants/needs to buy them. the country having tariff imposed on them just raise their prices of said goods to offset the tariff cost, meaning the consumer pays, not the country (they do initially). 

But it's entirely possible I either read it wrong or didn't understand it correctly. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

from everything i've read, because before all of trump's tariff talk, I honestly did not know anything about it, tariffs basically act as a back end tax on goods if everyone still wants/needs to buy them. the country having tariff imposed on them just raise their prices of said goods to offset the tariff cost, meaning the consumer pays, not the country (they do initially). 

But it's entirely possible I either read it wrong or didn't understand it correctly. 

Correct. But it encourages domestic manufacturing or sourcing from other locations.

Im not 100% behind them nor against. But for people that birch about losing jobs to other low cost poles...then they complain about tariffs...seems a bit crazy to me.

Short term is consumer pain ($). Long term can be different. 

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

from everything i've read, because before all of trump's tariff talk, I honestly did not know anything about it, tariffs basically act as a back end tax on goods if everyone still wants/needs to buy them. the country having tariff imposed on them just raise their prices of said goods to offset the tariff cost, meaning the consumer pays, not the country (they do initially). 

But it's entirely possible I either read it wrong or didn't understand it correctly. 

Correct. But it encourages domestic manufacturing or sourcing from other locations.

Im not 100% behind them nor against. But for people that birch about losing jobs to other low cost poles...then they complain about tariffs...seems a bit crazy to me.

Short term is consumer pain ($). Long term can be different. 

It creates higher price consumer goods in the states.  That's the end result for us.  Look at how inexpensive goods are today, as a percentage of disposable income.  The easiest example is televisions.  A 24 inch tv was more expensive in the 80s than a 50 inch today,  not even adjusting for inflation.  This is the result of free trade,  eliminating taxes on imports. 

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

from everything i've read, because before all of trump's tariff talk, I honestly did not know anything about it, tariffs basically act as a back end tax on goods if everyone still wants/needs to buy them. the country having tariff imposed on them just raise their prices of said goods to offset the tariff cost, meaning the consumer pays, not the country (they do initially). 

But it's entirely possible I either read it wrong or didn't understand it correctly. 

Correct. But it encourages domestic manufacturing or sourcing from other locations.

Im not 100% behind them nor against. But for people that birch about losing jobs to other low cost poles...then they complain about tariffs...seems a bit crazy to me.

Short term is consumer pain ($). Long term can be different. 

It creates higher price consumer goods in the states.  That's the end result for us.  Look at how inexpensive goods are today, as a percentage of disposable income.  The easiest example is televisions.  A 24 inch tv was more expensive in the 80s than a 50 inch today,  not even adjusting for inflation.  This is the result of free trade,  eliminating taxes on imports. 

That's a losing argument because people start complaining about the low wages that the TV employees make...

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

from everything i've read, because before all of trump's tariff talk, I honestly did not know anything about it, tariffs basically act as a back end tax on goods if everyone still wants/needs to buy them. the country having tariff imposed on them just raise their prices of said goods to offset the tariff cost, meaning the consumer pays, not the country (they do initially). 

But it's entirely possible I either read it wrong or didn't understand it correctly. 

Correct. But it encourages domestic manufacturing or sourcing from other locations.

Im not 100% behind them nor against. But for people that birch about losing jobs to other low cost poles...then they complain about tariffs...seems a bit crazy to me.

Short term is consumer pain ($). Long term can be different. 

It creates higher price consumer goods in the states.  That's the end result for us.  Look at how inexpensive goods are today, as a percentage of disposable income.  The easiest example is televisions.  A 24 inch tv was more expensive in the 80s than a 50 inch today,  not even adjusting for inflation.  This is the result of free trade,  eliminating taxes on imports. 

That's a losing argument because people start complaining about the low wages that the TV employees make...

Those wages are in foreign countries and precisely what you negotiate in free trade agreements.  A key part are minimum labor standards.  

The States cam bre a manufacturing country again,  but two things must occur..

Consumers must be willing to pay 3x what they do today for the same product. 
We must be willing to be isolationist in trade.  No one will buy our exports.   

The chances of these happening are low,  therefore the tariffs are counterproductive. 

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

I’m wondering...what do people think tariffs are supposed to do? and why does every country use them (including like 160 countries with higher rates than the US) if they DO NOT WORK?

from everything i've read, because before all of trump's tariff talk, I honestly did not know anything about it, tariffs basically act as a back end tax on goods if everyone still wants/needs to buy them. the country having tariff imposed on them just raise their prices of said goods to offset the tariff cost, meaning the consumer pays, not the country (they do initially). 

But it's entirely possible I either read it wrong or didn't understand it correctly. 

Correct. But it encourages domestic manufacturing or sourcing from other locations.

Im not 100% behind them nor against. But for people that birch about losing jobs to other low cost poles...then they complain about tariffs...seems a bit crazy to me.

Short term is consumer pain ($). Long term can be different. 

It creates higher price consumer goods in the states.  That's the end result for us.  Look at how inexpensive goods are today, as a percentage of disposable income.  The easiest example is televisions.  A 24 inch tv was more expensive in the 80s than a 50 inch today,  not even adjusting for inflation.  This is the result of free trade,  eliminating taxes on imports. 

That's a losing argument because people start complaining about the low wages that the TV employees make...

Those wages are in foreign countries and precisely what you negotiate in free trade agreements.  A key part are minimum labor standards.  

The States cam bre a manufacturing country again,  but two things must occur..

Consumers must be willing to pay 3x what they do today for the same product. 
We must be willing to be isolationist in trade.  No one will buy our exports.   

The chances of these happening are low,  therefore the tariffs are counterproductive. 

Agreed.

I argue with people that you want manufacturing jobs in America?  Stop shopping at Wal-mart for one.

It took an american Jean company in Levis to be manufactured out of the states to finally be sold in Wal-mart.

How is that for irony?

Meltdown99

mrussel1 said:

Tariffs are the worst.  
Pulling out of Paris was the worst. 
Exiting JCPOA without one ally or a plan was moronic.  

Pulling out of a climate agreement that looks like only 2 countries will the targets makes sense to me?  Why enter into agreements when they are never met, not to mention that everytime that hold these useless climate change bullshit all the worlds leaders and elites hop onto their airplanes to attend a do nothing conferences.

The tariffs on China should be permenent...the stuff is too cheap.  We need to drive the price of goods up so people start to think long and hard about whether they need a new cell phone after 2 years or maybe it can wait a few years longer...not too mention ALL THE DOLLAR store crap...

brianlux

Halifax2TheMax  , you may want to change the title of this thread to something that remotely relates to its contents.  What a strange thread this is that way!

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

Halifax2TheMax  , you may want to change the title of this thread to something that remotely relates to its contents.  What a strange thread this is that way!

Isn’t my thread Brian. Sorry.

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tariffs are the worst.  
Pulling out of Paris was the worst. 
Exiting JCPOA without one ally or a plan was moronic.  

Pulling out of a climate agreement that looks like only 2 countries will the targets makes sense to me?  Why enter into agreements when they are never met, not to mention that everytime that hold these useless climate change bullshit all the worlds leaders and elites hop onto their airplanes to attend a do nothing conferences.

The tariffs on China should be permenent...the stuff is too cheap.  We need to drive the price of goods up so people start to think long and hard about whether they need a new cell phone after 2 years or maybe it can wait a few years longer...not too mention ALL THE DOLLAR store crap...

The way to China to compete fairly was through the trans Pacific partnership.  But we blew that. 

brianlux

Halifax2TheMax said:

brianlux said:

Halifax2TheMax  , you may want to change the title of this thread to something that remotely relates to its contents.  What a strange thread this is that way!

Isn’t my thread Brian. Sorry.

OMG, you are so right!

MORE COFFEE, PLEASE!