Red Lightning Bolt Question - can you tell the discs apart?

PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
edited June 3 in The Porch
Blast from the past!
I can't remember if there is any way to tell the difference between the original red LB discs and the repressed red LB discs. I know the represses came in a sleeve only, but was there actually a way to tell them apart by comparing the records themselves? Were the represses marked in the dead wax somehow?
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 4,025
    edited June 3
    Didn't the fixed pressing have like a #2 in the deadwax or something? I assume whatever designates the second black pressing, covers the red pressing as well. But it was in the deadwax.

  • kramer73kramer73 Posts: 2,201
    Looks like Discogs has no help on this one.
  • dcp3ydcp3y Louisville KYPosts: 471
    Roman numeral “II” on fixed repress
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    Thanks!!
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 21,075
    Now I have to check...
  • MedozKMedozK TennesseePosts: 7,253
    The represses have the roman numerals "II" or "III" in the dead wax on side A and "II" on side B.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    Anyone know if any represses ever got into official packaging? Or were 100% of them only in paper sleeves?
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 14,598
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone know if any represses ever got into official packaging? Or were 100% of them only in paper sleeves?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    dankind said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone know if any represses ever got into official packaging? Or were 100% of them only in paper sleeves?
    The Shadow knows....

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  • MedozKMedozK TennesseePosts: 7,253
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone know if any represses ever got into official packaging? Or were 100% of them only in paper sleeves?
    AFAIK, the repress was only issued in a generic white sleeve. Someone with more information about the repressing may know more however.
  • FR181798FR181798 Posts: 1,235
    I got a red LB in the mystery vinyl sale. Never even bothered to find out how it played as I had the black and the repress. I assumed they wouldnt knowingly send out bad copies.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    FR181798 said:
    I got a red LB in the mystery vinyl sale. Never even bothered to find out how it played as I had the black and the repress. I assumed they wouldnt knowingly send out bad copies.
    I also got one in that mystery sale, and it is the reason I've been asking. I don't really have as much faith as you do about it not being a bad copy, lol. The problem is that I don't really want to play it to find out either, since I think I might sell it, and would rather keep it mint (minus the fact that I had to open it so see if it's red). I've not had a chance yet to look at the deadwax on it and see if it's got the II on it. I'll try and remember to do that tonight.
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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 5,024
    PJ_Soul said:
    FR181798 said:
    I got a red LB in the mystery vinyl sale. Never even bothered to find out how it played as I had the black and the repress. I assumed they wouldnt knowingly send out bad copies.
    I also got one in that mystery sale, and it is the reason I've been asking. I don't really have as much faith as you do about it not being a bad copy, lol. The problem is that I don't really want to play it to find out either, since I think I might sell it, and would rather keep it mint (minus the fact that I had to open it so see if it's red). I've not had a chance yet to look at the deadwax on it and see if it's got the II on it. I'll try and remember to do that tonight.

    You actually *want* to remove the shrinkwrap.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    edited June 8
    PJ_Soul said:
    FR181798 said:
    I got a red LB in the mystery vinyl sale. Never even bothered to find out how it played as I had the black and the repress. I assumed they wouldnt knowingly send out bad copies.
    I also got one in that mystery sale, and it is the reason I've been asking. I don't really have as much faith as you do about it not being a bad copy, lol. The problem is that I don't really want to play it to find out either, since I think I might sell it, and would rather keep it mint (minus the fact that I had to open it so see if it's red). I've not had a chance yet to look at the deadwax on it and see if it's got the II on it. I'll try and remember to do that tonight.

    You actually *want* to remove the shrinkwrap.
    What do you mean? As opposed to just slicing it up one side to take a peek inside and not totally removing the shrink wrap? I can't recall which I did right now (have still forgotten to check the deadwax, and actually if I recall this album came in one of those bag-type outer wraps, not actual shrinkwrap), but are you saying there is generally something wrong with leaving shrinkwrap on?
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  • PSUS2HPSUS2H Posts: 1,631
    I think they're assuming its sealed, saying you should crack it open and spin it. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    edited June 11
    PSUS2H said:
    I think they're assuming its sealed, saying you should crack it open and spin it. 
    If it was an album I liked, I totally would keep it. But I have a black one too, to keep the collection complete... and I can't even see myself spinning that one, let alone the red one. 

    I finally remembered to check the deadwax. No II on it. Orginal disc in there. 
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  • FR181798FR181798 Posts: 1,235
    If you are careful when you put the disc on the spindle no one would know whether you played it or not but really if I was buying I think Id be fine if someone had played it a couple of times to check it was good.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 21,075
    FR181798 said:
    If you are careful when you put the disc on the spindle no one would know whether you played it or not but really if I was buying I think Id be fine if someone had played it a couple of times to check it was good.
    Red=collectors item
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    edited June 12
    FR181798 said:
    If you are careful when you put the disc on the spindle no one would know whether you played it or not but really if I was buying I think Id be fine if someone had played it a couple of times to check it was good.
    Red=collectors item
    We know, but the LB original red is a special case. Would collectors really not want it spun by the seller? If it's not, then they have no idea if they are buying a completely fucked up copy. Is it not being played more important?? I would like to know what the best thing to do is.
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  • PSUS2HPSUS2H Posts: 1,631
    PJ_Soul said:
    FR181798 said:
    If you are careful when you put the disc on the spindle no one would know whether you played it or not but really if I was buying I think Id be fine if someone had played it a couple of times to check it was good.
    Red=collectors item
    We know, but the LB original red is a special case. Would collectors really not want it spun by the seller? If it's not, then they have no idea if they are buying a completely fucked up copy. Is it not being played more important?? I would like to know what the best thing to do is.
    Enjoy the LP, playing it a handful of times isnt going to be a concern, if it is the buyer can move along.  Most buyers wont care, as long as it isnt beat to hell. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,918
    edited June 12
    PSUS2H said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    FR181798 said:
    If you are careful when you put the disc on the spindle no one would know whether you played it or not but really if I was buying I think Id be fine if someone had played it a couple of times to check it was good.
    Red=collectors item
    We know, but the LB original red is a special case. Would collectors really not want it spun by the seller? If it's not, then they have no idea if they are buying a completely fucked up copy. Is it not being played more important?? I would like to know what the best thing to do is.
    Enjoy the LP, playing it a handful of times isnt going to be a concern, if it is the buyer can move along.  Most buyers wont care, as long as it isnt beat to hell. 
    I absolutely hate the album, so I'm definitely not going to be enjoying anything, lol. I just don't want to sell a buyer a fucked up record... but also don't want to reduce the value of it by playing it. So trying to decide which is preferable. I suppose giving it one spin (on mute :lol: ), and letting buyers know it is or isn't fucked up. Of course, if I don't spin it, and it is fucked up, I guess NOT spinning it first would be most beneficial to me, har har.
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  • PSUS2HPSUS2H Posts: 1,631
    Send it to me and I'll test it! LOL 

    I hear ya though, I doubt you'll have any issues, and if you're flexible with the buyer on a return then you shouldnt have much to be concerned about. 
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