How would you know if a poster is a fake/reproduction anyway?
If you can't tell the difference then you shouldn't be buying high end posters.
The paper it's printed on.
99% of the PJ posters were silk screened. The difference between a screen print and something on a computer is night and day. You can see/feel the layers on a screen and the ink can be almost "cahalky", is that a good word to describe it?
Yeah, I get what you’re saying. I understand it’s easy to tell the difference between a silkscreen and a digital printout. I just wasn’t sure if the fakes were better than just a digital print.
There is talk that fake silk screen posters are out there. It's not that hard if you think about it and have the means.
Well, that would just suck to get a fake silkscreen.
That is just "talk" as I have yet to see and confirm one.
Didn't fake Seattle 2004 silk screen posters exist? You could tell real vs. fake since the fake did not list the small print text( i.e. Ames Bros design, Ceribellum Press).
I had to look that poster up. Why on earth would that poster be faked?!?
How would you know if a poster is a fake/reproduction anyway?
If you can't tell the difference then you shouldn't be buying high end posters.
The paper it's printed on.
99% of the PJ posters were silk screened. The difference between a screen print and something on a computer is night and day. You can see/feel the layers on a screen and the ink can be almost "cahalky", is that a good word to describe it?
Yeah, I get what you’re saying. I understand it’s easy to tell the difference between a silkscreen and a digital printout. I just wasn’t sure if the fakes were better than just a digital print.
There is talk that fake silk screen posters are out there. It's not that hard if you think about it and have the means.
Well, that would just suck to get a fake silkscreen.
That is just "talk" as I have yet to see and confirm one.
Didn't fake Seattle 2004 silk screen posters exist? You could tell real vs. fake since the fake did not list the small print text( i.e. Ames Bros design, Ceribellum Press).
I had to look that poster up. Why on earth would that poster be faked?!?
How would you know if a poster is a fake/reproduction anyway?
If you can't tell the difference then you shouldn't be buying high end posters.
The paper it's printed on.
99% of the PJ posters were silk screened. The difference between a screen print and something on a computer is night and day. You can see/feel the layers on a screen and the ink can be almost "cahalky", is that a good word to describe it?
Yeah, I get what you’re saying. I understand it’s easy to tell the difference between a silkscreen and a digital printout. I just wasn’t sure if the fakes were better than just a digital print.
There is talk that fake silk screen posters are out there. It's not that hard if you think about it and have the means.
Well, that would just suck to get a fake silkscreen.
That is just "talk" as I have yet to see and confirm one.
Didn't fake Seattle 2004 silk screen posters exist? You could tell real vs. fake since the fake did not list the small print text( i.e. Ames Bros design, Ceribellum Press).
I had to look that poster up. Why on earth would that poster be faked?!?
Only 350 SE 50 AP
Just because it's rare? People are crazy.
Not the best I've seen and not the worst either.
I believe the design was also featured on a shirt. That boosts familiarity and that boosts demand. This "tale" is probably a decade old or so.
heres an idea....print more posters... "taking food" from an artist. .. wow. I would gladly buy an original from the artist, how many bags of cheetohs is a Hartford 98 worth? 100 bgs, 1000 bags, 10,000 bags 100,000 bags of cheetohs...Where does it end...then maybe in 2 years (LOL) I can sell it for 100 Million bags of cheetohs!!!....
LOL. God Bless us all. PS, NEED A NEW RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEED TOUR DATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You've got kind of a good point, I have to admit. This game between increasing value through scarcity vs. demand vs. bootlegging just seems like a really stupid one to me. Print enough posters to meet demand. They don't have to print a million and make them worthless, but print enough so that nobody is inspired to replicate it. Also, what is wrong with reprints?? Why don't any of these artists and/or bands reissue some of these sought after awesome posters? I mean, if 10C released a second run of Pittsburg '13 posters and Hartford '98s and a bunch of the other most popular prints, they would clean up.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Prices in general have been insane on Ebay. And I am talking about completed sales. I also think Ebeans is not up to date. Their six month averages seem way lower than what I am seeing on Ebay.
Prices in general have been insane on Ebay. And I am talking about completed sales. I also think Ebeans is not up to date. Their six month averages seem way lower than what I am seeing on Ebay.
You have to log in, then check price history. That captures any recent sales.
heres an idea....print more posters... "taking food" from an artist. .. wow. I would gladly buy an original from the artist, how many bags of cheetohs is a Hartford 98 worth? 100 bgs, 1000 bags, 10,000 bags 100,000 bags of cheetohs...Where does it end...then maybe in 2 years (LOL) I can sell it for 100 Million bags of cheetohs!!!....
LOL. God Bless us all. PS, NEED A NEW RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEED TOUR DATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You've got a kind of a good point, I have to admit. This game between increasing value through scarcity vs. demand vs. bootlegging just seems like a really stupid one to me. Print enough posters to meet demand. They don't have to print a million and make them worthless, but print enough so that nobody is inspired to replicate it. Also, what is wrong with reprints?? Why don't any of these artists and/or bands reissue some of these sought after awesome posters? I mean, if 10C released a second run of Pittsburg '13 posters and Hartford '98s and a bunch of the other most popular prints, they would clean up.
1. I don't know that PJ could ever print enough of a poster, because there will always be that asshat who buys up a stack even though it is limited to one or two. You are going to have that merch employee who has heard people bitch about the limits all day long and they finally snap, say fuck it and sell the rest of the stack to the first guy who asks. I think demand has been addressed, but people will always want more. It doesn't really pay to have a million printed and to fill the 10c warehouse with a print that everyone has and no one wants any longer. 2. My guess, and it is purely a guess, is that the artist is under contract with the band to print x amount for band, x amount for AP sales for them and that is it for that item forever. It would probably be illegal for the artist to release any more prints without permission/commission of the band to do so. 3. What is really wrong with a somewhat limited run? Isn't like we are standing in line at the food bank and are going to go hungry if we all don't have something provided to us. All artists have one-of-a-kind pieces, limited run pieces and their bread and butter stuff. Posters aren't really bread and butter qualifiers in this case. Bread and butter are shirts and other soft goods, pins . . . mass production stuff. That's where our hero Mr TSURT comes in with his small size running apparel. 4. PJ doesn't really need to clean up. They have the money thing handled.
heres an idea....print more posters... "taking food" from an artist. .. wow. I would gladly buy an original from the artist, how many bags of cheetohs is a Hartford 98 worth? 100 bgs, 1000 bags, 10,000 bags 100,000 bags of cheetohs...Where does it end...then maybe in 2 years (LOL) I can sell it for 100 Million bags of cheetohs!!!....
LOL. God Bless us all. PS, NEED A NEW RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEED TOUR DATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You've got a kind of a good point, I have to admit. This game between increasing value through scarcity vs. demand vs. bootlegging just seems like a really stupid one to me. Print enough posters to meet demand. They don't have to print a million and make them worthless, but print enough so that nobody is inspired to replicate it. Also, what is wrong with reprints?? Why don't any of these artists and/or bands reissue some of these sought after awesome posters? I mean, if 10C released a second run of Pittsburg '13 posters and Hartford '98s and a bunch of the other most popular prints, they would clean up.
1. I don't know that PJ could ever print enough of a poster, because there will always be that asshat who buys up a stack even though it is limited to one or two. You are going to have that merch employee who has heard people bitch about the limits all day long and they finally snap, say fuck it and sell the rest of the stack to the first guy who asks. I think demand has been addressed, but people will always want more. It doesn't really pay to have a million printed and to fill the 10c warehouse with a print that everyone has and no one wants any longer. 2. My guess, and it is purely a guess, is that the artist is under contract with the band to print x amount for band, x amount for AP sales for them and that is it for that item forever. It would probably be illegal for the artist to release any more prints without permission/commission of the band to do so. 3. What is really wrong with a somewhat limited run? Isn't like we are standing in line at the food bank and are going to go hungry if we all don't have something provided to us. All artists have one-of-a-kind pieces, limited run pieces and their bread and butter stuff. Posters aren't really bread and butter qualifiers in this case. Bread and butter are shirts and other soft goods, pins . . . mass production stuff. That's where our hero Mr TSURT comes in with his small size running apparel. 4. PJ doesn't really need to clean up. They have the money thing handled.
Of course I'm suggesting it be done legally. I.e. 10C and the artists work something out. Why wouldn't they? It's just more money for them in their pockets.
I do think there is a point where flippers no longer have a real impact. That's the way it is with records, so I don't see why it wouldn't be with posters.
What is wrong with a limited run is that people who are actually at these shows can't even get a poster they want, and that's after lining up for hours to try and get one. That is just pure shoddy treatment of the fans IMO. It's bullshit. At least sell each ticket with the option to get a poster, if guessing the demand is too hard for them for some reason.
And reissuing posters... well, why the hell not? They do it with vinyl. Again, of course they'd have to work out a deal with the artist. But what artist would refuse??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
heres an idea....print more posters... "taking food" from an artist. .. wow. I would gladly buy an original from the artist, how many bags of cheetohs is a Hartford 98 worth? 100 bgs, 1000 bags, 10,000 bags 100,000 bags of cheetohs...Where does it end...then maybe in 2 years (LOL) I can sell it for 100 Million bags of cheetohs!!!....
LOL. God Bless us all. PS, NEED A NEW RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEED TOUR DATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You've got a kind of a good point, I have to admit. This game between increasing value through scarcity vs. demand vs. bootlegging just seems like a really stupid one to me. Print enough posters to meet demand. They don't have to print a million and make them worthless, but print enough so that nobody is inspired to replicate it. Also, what is wrong with reprints?? Why don't any of these artists and/or bands reissue some of these sought after awesome posters? I mean, if 10C released a second run of Pittsburg '13 posters and Hartford '98s and a bunch of the other most popular prints, they would clean up.
1. I don't know that PJ could ever print enough of a poster, because there will always be that asshat who buys up a stack even though it is limited to one or two. You are going to have that merch employee who has heard people bitch about the limits all day long and they finally snap, say fuck it and sell the rest of the stack to the first guy who asks. I think demand has been addressed, but people will always want more. It doesn't really pay to have a million printed and to fill the 10c warehouse with a print that everyone has and no one wants any longer. 2. My guess, and it is purely a guess, is that the artist is under contract with the band to print x amount for band, x amount for AP sales for them and that is it for that item forever. It would probably be illegal for the artist to release any more prints without permission/commission of the band to do so. 3. What is really wrong with a somewhat limited run? Isn't like we are standing in line at the food bank and are going to go hungry if we all don't have something provided to us. All artists have one-of-a-kind pieces, limited run pieces and their bread and butter stuff. Posters aren't really bread and butter qualifiers in this case. Bread and butter are shirts and other soft goods, pins . . . mass production stuff. That's where our hero Mr TSURT comes in with his small size running apparel. 4. PJ doesn't really need to clean up. They have the money thing handled.
Of course I'm suggesting it be done legally. I.e. 10C and the artists work something out. Why wouldn't they? It's just more money for them in their pockets.
I do think there is a point where flippers no longer have a real impact. That's the way it is with records, so I don't see why it wouldn't be with posters.
What is wrong with a limited run is that people who are actually at these shows can't even get a poster they want, and that's after lining up for hours to try and get one. That is just pure shoddy treatment of the fans IMO. It's bullshit. At least sell each ticket with the option to get a poster, if guessing the demand is too hard for them for some reason.
And reissuing posters... well, why the hell not? They do it with vinyl. Again, of course they'd have to work out a deal with the artist. But what artist would refuse??
Definitely a valid point revisited with the ticket-poster option.
I'm not sure why they won't let artists do a 2nd edition of a poster if it turns out to be hot seller... especially if the fans really want them. My Morning Jacket & poster artist Clinton Reno have done several 2nd editions after the posters sold out at a show... 2 from recent shows that I've attended. MMJ sold the 2nd edition in their web store & allowed Clinton to sell them on his website as well. I think it's interesting how Emek does the mini-prints & Prints On Wood using the same image, just without the band name attached. I'd love to see what the folks at Prints On Wood could do with the Pittsburgh '13 image.
'96: Seattle: Key Arena '98: Seattle: Memorial Stadium 1 & 2 '00: Columbus: Polaris '03: Columbus: Germain '10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena '11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit '12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2 '13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle '14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline '15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival '16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2 '17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony '18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1 '22: Nashville / St. Louis
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I'm not sure why they won't let artists do a 2nd edition of a poster if it turns out to be hot seller... especially if the fans really want them. My Morning Jacket & poster artist Clinton Reno have done several 2nd editions after the posters sold out at a show... 2 from recent shows that I've attended. MMJ sold the 2nd edition in their web store & allowed Clinton to sell them on his website as well. I think it's interesting how Emek does the mini-prints & Prints On Wood using the same image, just without the band name attached. I'd love to see what the folks at Prints On Wood could do with the Pittsburgh '13 image.
The only people against commissioned artist reprints are collectors (and flippers, I suppose). They like to think that market value and rarity actually mean something when all of this shit is just going to wind up going for next to nothing at an estate sale when all the collectors are dirt in the ground.
"Oh, the Pearl Jam posters. You can take 'em all for $20, and I'll throw in the records for free."
98: St. Louis. 2000: Alpine. 2003: Chicago. 2006: Chicago Night 2, Milwaukee Night 1. 2007: Chicago (Lolla). 2009: Chicago 1 & 2. 2011: Alpine 1 & 2. 2013: Chicago & LA Night 1. 2016: Chicago 1 & 2. 2018: Chicago 1 & 2.
Um, Cheetos Crunchy. There will be no off brand snacks.
If you put the puffs in a warm oven (250-300) for five minutes, you've got something extremely delicious.
Hmmmm. I'm not a big doodle purchaser but I can do that to see what might happen . . .
@tempo_n_groove For the record, cheese doodles are puffy and not crunchy. That could be a regional thing or just Ohio, but for me DOODLES ARE PUFFY! Whoever runs the Wise company ain't so wise.
Do you call sprinkles jimmies? Do you refer to blinkers as indicators? Are rolls buns and buns rolls? Are rubber bands gum bands?
Pop? What about pop? Is it pop, soda or just Coke and how the hell would anyone know what flavor you want if you ask for a Coke but that could mean anything carbonated? I asked for pop in Chicago. They looked at me like I was crazy.
Um, Cheetos Crunchy. There will be no off brand snacks.
If you put the puffs in a warm oven (250-300) for five minutes, you've got something extremely delicious.
Hmmmm. I'm not a big doodle purchaser but I can do that to see what might happen . . .
@tempo_n_groove For the record, cheese doodles are puffy and not crunchy. That could be a regional thing or just Ohio, but for me DOODLES ARE PUFFY! Whoever runs the Wise company ain't so wise.
Do you call sprinkles jimmies? Do you refer to blinkers as indicators? Are rolls buns and buns rolls? Are rubber bands gum bands?
Pop? What about pop? Is it pop, soda or just Coke and how the hell would anyone know what flavor you want if you ask for a Coke but that could mean anything carbonated? I asked for pop in Chicago. They looked at me like I was crazy.
They make the "puff" too but crunchy is all the shizzle. Tryin' to learn ya sumthin over hea.
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350 SE
50 AP
Not the best I've seen and not the worst either.
2. My guess, and it is purely a guess, is that the artist is under contract with the band to print x amount for band, x amount for AP sales for them and that is it for that item forever. It would probably be illegal for the artist to release any more prints without permission/commission of the band to do so.
3. What is really wrong with a somewhat limited run? Isn't like we are standing in line at the food bank and are going to go hungry if we all don't have something provided to us. All artists have one-of-a-kind pieces, limited run pieces and their bread and butter stuff. Posters aren't really bread and butter qualifiers in this case. Bread and butter are shirts and other soft goods, pins . . . mass production stuff. That's where our hero Mr TSURT comes in with his small size running apparel.
4. PJ doesn't really need to clean up. They have the money thing handled.
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especially if the fans really want them.
My Morning Jacket & poster artist Clinton Reno have done several 2nd editions after the posters sold out at a show...
2 from recent shows that I've attended.
MMJ sold the 2nd edition in their web store & allowed Clinton to sell them on his website as well.
I think it's interesting how Emek does the mini-prints & Prints On Wood using the same image,
just without the band name attached.
I'd love to see what the folks at Prints On Wood could do with the Pittsburgh '13 image.
'98: Seattle: Memorial Stadium 1 & 2
'00: Columbus: Polaris
'03: Columbus: Germain
'10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena
'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
'22: Nashville / St. Louis
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2010 Newark, MSG I
2013 Wrigley Field, Brooklyn I & II, Hartford, LA I & II, San Diego
2014 Detroit, Moline, St. Paul & Milwaukee
2015 Ed Sullivan Theater/ Central Park
2016 FTL, Miami, Philly 1&2, MSG 1&2, Fenway 1
2017 RRHOF
2018 Seattle I & II, Missoula, Boston I & II
2022 Apollo, MSG, Camden, Nashville & St. Louis
2023 St.P. 1 & 2, Austin 1 & 2
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1998: BARRIE, PITTSBURGH, CLEVELAND*, MERRIWEATHER POST
2000: TORONTO, PITTSBURGH, DETROIT, SARATOGA SPRINGS
2003: TORONTO, BUFFALO*, CLEVELAND, MSG 1
2004: TOLEDO, GRAND RAPIDS
2006: PITTSBURGH
2008: HARTFORD
2009: PHILLY II
2010: BUFFALO
2013: BUFFALO
2014: DETROIT
2016: NYC I NYC II
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'98: Seattle: Memorial Stadium 1 & 2
'00: Columbus: Polaris
'03: Columbus: Germain
'10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena
'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
'22: Nashville / St. Louis
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"Oh, the Pearl Jam posters. You can take 'em all for $20, and I'll throw in the records for free."
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https://www.wisesnacks.com/products/cheez-doodles/crunchy/
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@tempo_n_groove For the record, cheese doodles are puffy and not crunchy. That could be a regional thing or just Ohio, but for me DOODLES ARE PUFFY! Whoever runs the Wise company ain't so wise.
Do you call sprinkles jimmies?
Do you refer to blinkers as indicators?
Are rolls buns and buns rolls?
Are rubber bands gum bands?
Pop? What about pop? Is it pop, soda or just Coke and how the hell would anyone know what flavor you want if you ask for a Coke but that could mean anything carbonated? I asked for pop in Chicago. They looked at me like I was crazy.
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1