The Democratic Candidates

Spiritual_Chaos

And we all know you included Finland because it looks like a cock and balls. 

Haha. :P 

Meltdown99

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Poor people have healthcare.  That's what Medicare is.  But fine,  if you are saying no care means two tier.  I interpreted that as "inferior hospitals" for poor people. 

I just don’t get this argument, poor people in fact have Medicare. if a hospital or doctor doesn’t take your insurance you just don’t go there.  If a hospital doesn’t take people because they don’t have insurance then go somewhere else. 

I don't get it. You keep acting like you think everyone gets the healthcare they need in the US. Why??

Let's not throw stones in glass houses:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/canadas-health-care-system-is-a-point-of-national-pride-but-a-study-shows-it-might-be-stalled/?utm_term=.07ee5efc6615
But its authors note that these glowing statistics conceal abysmal health outcomes for Canada’s 1.7 million indigenous people, who face disproportionately higher rates of suicide, infant mortality and chronic disease. Canada’s Inuit people have a life expectancy that is as much as 15 years shorter than non-indigenous Canadians, and tuberculosis rates that are 270 times higher than those of the Canadian-born, non-indigenous population.

In an introductory commentary, editors of the Lancet write that these health inequities “suggest a developing world within Canada’s borders.”

The study is also critical of Canada’s long wait times for nonemergency, specialty procedures like knee and hip replacements and non-urgent advanced imaging — higher than those in America — describing them as a “lightning rod issue” that could undermine support for Medicare among Canadians.

Canada’s status as the only country in the developed world with universal health-care that does not cover prescription drugs is panned, too. In almost one-quarter of Canadian households, someone is not taking medications because of an inability to pay, according to the Angus Reid Institute, a polling organization.

“When we compare ourselves to the United States, we feel really great,” Martin said. “But when it comes to prescription drugs, we are in the exact same situation as our American colleagues, when we write out prescriptions and our patients don’t know how they are going to pay for them.”

You can have a humane system and have problems that need to be fixed. 

Or you can have a vile predatory system. 

No one claims that eveything is working perfect. But it can work better - and most importantly it is based on an idea of humans being worth something. 

Building a system with a philosphy of worth is better than building it on th vile idea of ”money money money”

yes.

And. More succesful democracies (everyone?) choose another system. So If you are a betting man - why would you bet on the this one. Hmm. 

Still waiting on the thank you card. It's Dday 75, perfect time.  Don't forget McGruff and Meltdown, Hedonism and others. 

You sound small with comments like these. You're better than that.

I live in a vile, predatory country.  I live in a substandard democracy.  So the least he can do is thank us for the freedoms he enjoys. Then I'll go back to lying in my vile culture. 

Come on man. I agree, you're better than this.

I can't believe none of you who keep doing this have managed to drop it yet. It's been going on for days, and it's just so dumb.

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Can you stop comparing the size of your manhoods all the time! I'll even throw in finland so Spiritual doesn't feel quite so inadequate.

Ah the old ”we are so big” and ”we are so diverse”

works as an argument for an american in every topic. 

And its as stupid every time. 

- Hey, why are kids being murdered in your schools all the time?
- Diverse! Big country! 300 millions! 

-What about garrymandering - arent you suppose to be like... a working democracy?
- Diverse! Big country! 300 millions! 

- man so people are dying from aids because they cant afford the vile prices of the drugs? Is that humane?
- Diverse! Big country! 300 millions! 

Turning AIDS into a manageable disease was the result of the National Institutes of Health. How vile of them. 

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Poor people have healthcare.  That's what Medicare is.  But fine,  if you are saying no care means two tier.  I interpreted that as "inferior hospitals" for poor people. 

I just don’t get this argument, poor people in fact have Medicare. if a hospital or doctor doesn’t take your insurance you just don’t go there.  If a hospital doesn’t take people because they don’t have insurance then go somewhere else. 

I don't get it. You keep acting like you think everyone gets the healthcare they need in the US. Why??

Let's not throw stones in glass houses:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/canadas-health-care-system-is-a-point-of-national-pride-but-a-study-shows-it-might-be-stalled/?utm_term=.07ee5efc6615
But its authors note that these glowing statistics conceal abysmal health outcomes for Canada’s 1.7 million indigenous people, who face disproportionately higher rates of suicide, infant mortality and chronic disease. Canada’s Inuit people have a life expectancy that is as much as 15 years shorter than non-indigenous Canadians, and tuberculosis rates that are 270 times higher than those of the Canadian-born, non-indigenous population.

In an introductory commentary, editors of the Lancet write that these health inequities “suggest a developing world within Canada’s borders.”

The study is also critical of Canada’s long wait times for nonemergency, specialty procedures like knee and hip replacements and non-urgent advanced imaging — higher than those in America — describing them as a “lightning rod issue” that could undermine support for Medicare among Canadians.

Canada’s status as the only country in the developed world with universal health-care that does not cover prescription drugs is panned, too. In almost one-quarter of Canadian households, someone is not taking medications because of an inability to pay, according to the Angus Reid Institute, a polling organization.

“When we compare ourselves to the United States, we feel really great,” Martin said. “But when it comes to prescription drugs, we are in the exact same situation as our American colleagues, when we write out prescriptions and our patients don’t know how they are going to pay for them.”

You can have a humane system and have problems that need to be fixed. 

Or you can have a vile predatory system. 

No one claims that eveything is working perfect. But it can work better - and most importantly it is based on an idea of humans being worth something. 

Building a system with a philosphy of worth is better than building it on th vile idea of ”money money money”

yes.

And. More succesful democracies (everyone?) choose another system. So If you are a betting man - why would you bet on the this one. Hmm. 

Still waiting on the thank you card. It's Dday 75, perfect time.  Don't forget McGruff and Meltdown, Hedonism and others. 

You sound small with comments like these. You're better than that.

I live in a vile, predatory country.  I live in a substandard democracy.  So the least he can do is thank us for the freedoms he enjoys. Then I'll go back to lying in my vile culture. 

Come on man. I agree, you're better than this.

I told you I was trying.  Trolls aggravate me. 

And I don't think America is #1 super awesome.  But I have pride in my country just like all of you.

PJ_Soul

I believe that AIDS research that lead to great leaps forward was an international endeavor/collaboration.

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

I love Canada,  with no qualifiers. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Are there hospitals like that in the United States?

There are hospitals in the United States that won't perform treatments for people without insurance or money, yes. Are you saying that isn't true?

Which hospitals?  I m guessing non emergency situations.  

There are over 1000 private hospitals in America, so I'm not going to list them.

What do you mean by private? Does that mean not publicly traded or do you mean not owned by the state?  If the latter,  what we're talking about is typically university hospitals.  For example for me,  the largest is MCV, Medical College of Virginia which is attached to Virginia Commonwealth University.  Our major 'private' is Bon Secours which is a Catholic hospital chain.  Both are excellent.  Both treat emergency in all situations.  And both take Medicaid which is the federal program for low income Americans,  covering 74 million people.  
And there is no two tier system for quality of care. Hospitals love to take Medicare and Medicaid because it's guaranteed payment. 

Haha, are there actually hospitals that are publicly trades?!?! I don't think so, but since you thought of that, it makes me wonder!

Yes, I already acknowledged that ERs don't just let people die on their floor without saving them. That is why I brought up what happens after that.

Of course the is a two-tiered system for quality of care - quality of care included access. Obviously if poor people can't access care, then the quality of their healthcare ain't so great.

Poor people have healthcare.  That's what Medicare is.  But fine,  if you are saying no care means two tier.  I interpreted that as "inferior hospitals" for poor people. 

I just don’t get this argument, poor people in fact have Medicare. if a hospital or doctor doesn’t take your insurance you just don’t go there.  If a hospital doesn’t take people because they don’t have insurance then go somewhere else. 

I don't get it. You keep acting like you think everyone gets the healthcare they need in the US. Why??

Let's not throw stones in glass houses:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/canadas-health-care-system-is-a-point-of-national-pride-but-a-study-shows-it-might-be-stalled/?utm_term=.07ee5efc6615
But its authors note that these glowing statistics conceal abysmal health outcomes for Canada’s 1.7 million indigenous people, who face disproportionately higher rates of suicide, infant mortality and chronic disease. Canada’s Inuit people have a life expectancy that is as much as 15 years shorter than non-indigenous Canadians, and tuberculosis rates that are 270 times higher than those of the Canadian-born, non-indigenous population.

In an introductory commentary, editors of the Lancet write that these health inequities “suggest a developing world within Canada’s borders.”

The study is also critical of Canada’s long wait times for nonemergency, specialty procedures like knee and hip replacements and non-urgent advanced imaging — higher than those in America — describing them as a “lightning rod issue” that could undermine support for Medicare among Canadians.

Canada’s status as the only country in the developed world with universal health-care that does not cover prescription drugs is panned, too. In almost one-quarter of Canadian households, someone is not taking medications because of an inability to pay, according to the Angus Reid Institute, a polling organization.

“When we compare ourselves to the United States, we feel really great,” Martin said. “But when it comes to prescription drugs, we are in the exact same situation as our American colleagues, when we write out prescriptions and our patients don’t know how they are going to pay for them.”

You can have a humane system and have problems that need to be fixed. 

Or you can have a vile predatory system. 

No one claims that eveything is working perfect. But it can work better - and most importantly it is based on an idea of humans being worth something. 

Building a system with a philosphy of worth is better than building it on th vile idea of ”money money money”

yes.

And. More succesful democracies (everyone?) choose another system. So If you are a betting man - why would you bet on the this one. Hmm. 

Still waiting on the thank you card. It's Dday 75, perfect time.  Don't forget McGruff and Meltdown, Hedonism and others. 

Why don’t you meet me in the ”official Pearl Jam WW2 geeks” thread and discuss this instead?

mrussel1

Deal.  I'm there waiting. 

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Poor people have healthcare.  That's what Medicare is.  But fine,  if you are saying no care means two tier.  I interpreted that as "inferior hospitals" for poor people. 

I just don’t get this argument, poor people in fact have Medicare. if a hospital or doctor doesn’t take your insurance you just don’t go there.  If a hospital doesn’t take people because they don’t have insurance then go somewhere else. 

I don't get it. You keep acting like you think everyone gets the healthcare they need in the US. Why??

Let's not throw stones in glass houses:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/canadas-health-care-system-is-a-point-of-national-pride-but-a-study-shows-it-might-be-stalled/?utm_term=.07ee5efc6615
But its authors note that these glowing statistics conceal abysmal health outcomes for Canada’s 1.7 million indigenous people, who face disproportionately higher rates of suicide, infant mortality and chronic disease. Canada’s Inuit people have a life expectancy that is as much as 15 years shorter than non-indigenous Canadians, and tuberculosis rates that are 270 times higher than those of the Canadian-born, non-indigenous population.

In an introductory commentary, editors of the Lancet write that these health inequities “suggest a developing world within Canada’s borders.”

The study is also critical of Canada’s long wait times for nonemergency, specialty procedures like knee and hip replacements and non-urgent advanced imaging — higher than those in America — describing them as a “lightning rod issue” that could undermine support for Medicare among Canadians.

Canada’s status as the only country in the developed world with universal health-care that does not cover prescription drugs is panned, too. In almost one-quarter of Canadian households, someone is not taking medications because of an inability to pay, according to the Angus Reid Institute, a polling organization.

“When we compare ourselves to the United States, we feel really great,” Martin said. “But when it comes to prescription drugs, we are in the exact same situation as our American colleagues, when we write out prescriptions and our patients don’t know how they are going to pay for them.”

You can have a humane system and have problems that need to be fixed. 

Or you can have a vile predatory system. 

No one claims that eveything is working perfect. But it can work better - and most importantly it is based on an idea of humans being worth something. 

Building a system with a philosphy of worth is better than building it on th vile idea of ”money money money”

yes.

And. More succesful democracies (everyone?) choose another system. So If you are a betting man - why would you bet on the this one. Hmm. 

Still waiting on the thank you card. It's Dday 75, perfect time.  Don't forget McGruff and Meltdown, Hedonism and others. 

You sound small with comments like these. You're better than that.

I live in a vile, predatory country.  I live in a substandard democracy.  So the least he can do is thank us for the freedoms he enjoys. Then I'll go back to lying in my vile culture. 

Come on man. I agree, you're better than this.

I can't believe none of you who keep doing this have managed to drop it yet. It's been going on for days, and it's just so dumb.

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Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Deal.  I'm there waiting. 

Well, you do know what they say about waiting

https://youtu.be/KnTE1dlJCFA

Lerxst1992

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

If they do not fund cancer treatments or other heinous illness's, why should the government fund abortions...

The government funding abortions really isn't the leading concern at this point.

I'm sure it is.  But I'm sure many Americans are struggling to pay for treatments for conditions that they have no control over.

True.  But pregnancy isn't one of them since it's at some level,  a choice.  Medicaid does cover birth control.  I must admit that I'm not with Biden here for purely practical purposes.  If a woman had a child simply because she couldn't afford the abortion,  that will create yet another financial burden on the government.  But if the Hyde Amendment keeps moderate states at bay on abortion, then keep it.  

Fund all health care or none at all...how's that?  I see no problem with the state funding abortion in the case of rape, incest or mothers health...but the US will never have Universal health care...the insurance lobby is too strong.

And when you ask people if they want to move from private to government funded insurance,  the reply is overwhelmingly no.  So while I may agree with you,  it's not happening soon. 

Then those who prefer private insurance companies are not very bright...

They may or may not be bright. I think they are all just brainwashed, either way. But as someone already pointed out, I don't think Americans overwhelmingly support private healthcare.

I don't think I'm brainwashed and I think I'm kind of bright.   Have either of you ever had private insurance?  I can tell you that I can get an MRI in a week.  A guy at work torqued his knee and is getting surgery by an excellent ortho next week, a mere week after he injured himself.  

Err. we can get an MRI in a week too, if we want to pay for it. It's not like we don't have the option. My own mom just got a PET scan within 5 days last month because she didn't want to wait. She had the money so great. The thing is, people who don't have money still get a scan too, even if they have to wait. Also, if the scans are needed for lifesaving or dire diagnostics/treatment, then we get them in a week for free.

100% out of pocket? Our timely delivery of services comes as part of the plan.  Im on the record for supporting 100% health.  My point is there are reasons why people like their private insurance. 

Lol, I realize that, but the amount you all pay for insurance comes to WAAAAY more than we would pay out of pocket if we felt like it, plus the scans are still available to poor people in general, not just those with very expensive insurance plans. So my point is still that those who support a private insurance system over a universal system have no good argument at the end of the day. At best, they can say they prefer being able to pay for themselves, and don't give a flying fuck about the rest of society. IMO. I personally can't understand that level of selfishness.

You dont seem to spend too much time near Republicans?  Lucky you.  Are conservatives near you similar to that? Because the ones around here, even in a liberal state like NY,  "don't give a flying fuck about the rest of society."

For sure.

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

Well, it's not like we had the option of moving 

Meltdown99

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

Well, it's not like we had the option of moving 

What is your point?  My point was that Europe cannot claim that.  So, what's your point.  Answer the question, what is your point...come on I'm waiting...what is taking so long...come on.

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

Well, it's not like we had the option of moving 

What is your point?  My point was that Europe cannot claim that.  So, what's your point.  Answer the question, what is your point...come on I'm waiting...what is taking so long...come on.

My point would have been clearer with one of the emoticons, but now they suck so I refused to put one in. 

Meltdown99

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

Well, it's not like we had the option of moving 

What is your point?  My point was that Europe cannot claim that.  So, what's your point.  Answer the question, what is your point...come on I'm waiting...what is taking so long...come on.

My point would have been clearer with one of the emoticons, but now they suck so I refused to put one in. 

There are all kinds of emoji on the internet.  And why can't you move?  People move from Canada all the time. 

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

Well, it's not like we had the option of moving 

What is your point?  My point was that Europe cannot claim that.  So, what's your point.  Answer the question, what is your point...come on I'm waiting...what is taking so long...come on.

My point would have been clearer with one of the emoticons, but now they suck so I refused to put one in. 

There are all kinds of emoji on the internet.  And why can't you move?  People move from Canada all the time. 

That is so not what I meant that I'll assume you did it on purpose.

Meltdown99

Joe Biden releases $5 trillion climate change plan — with large chunks lifted from other sources without credit

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Meltdown99

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

I see this thread has become the new "is America the greatest country" thread.  And we all know how that thread ended.

I will say this about America...Canada could not ask for a better friend/ally/neibhour...we have lived side by side for over 200 years at peace with one another.  Can Europe say that?  Fuck no.  If it was not for the allies SC would be speaking Russian or German today...

Well, it's not like we had the option of moving 

What is your point?  My point was that Europe cannot claim that.  So, what's your point.  Answer the question, what is your point...come on I'm waiting...what is taking so long...come on.

My point would have been clearer with one of the emoticons, but now they suck so I refused to put one in. 

There are all kinds of emoji on the internet.  And why can't you move?  People move from Canada all the time. 

That is so not what I meant that I'll assume you did it on purpose.

Yes, I know what you meant.  I was just being sarcastic.  

Jason P

I don't think Biden is a good candidate after watching him the past few weeks.  He is just being fed popular things to say ...