AMES should be ashamed of themselves

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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    It is Christmas.  Probably $20k went to help folks spending it under an overpass. And the posters are their own separate entity being 5 feet tall.  Your original Ames is still fine.  

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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Oh, and market based pricing actually reduces flippers.  That is the easiest way to prevent flippers.  Price stuff as high as market will bear.  So it’s the exact opposite of what the OP says we all agree to.  
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • StevieG73
    StevieG73 Dublin, Ireland and New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 454
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Oh, and market based pricing actually reduces flippers.  That is the easiest way to prevent flippers.  Price stuff as high as market will bear.  So it’s the exact opposite of what the OP says we all agree to.  
    I do see your logic...but I don't think it will apply to the 2 or 3 posters that people want in this case.  I keep going back to the Wrigley one, I have no doubt they'll still be on eBay for double the price and people will buy them.  This is just one of three issues...the second issue is the fact that no one seems to know if these are leftovers from the 100 from the home shows....and thirdly, how did they get the OK to reprint these?  Has the opportunity been extended to the other artists?
    Guys like Munk One, Brad Klausen and Dan Mumford could set up their great grandkids if they did this.

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  • KC2917
    KC2917 Posts: 872
    How dare they sell their own product at a price that reflects the demand? The nerve of these guys...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,140
    You don’t like it, don’t buy it. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,328
    If Ames should be ashamed of anything it should be the AP2’s (although they learned their lesson).
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  • CopperTom
    CopperTom Posts: 3,149
    KC2917 said:
    How dare they sell their own product at a price that reflects the demand? The nerve of these guys...

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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    get ready to have this thread shut down and bars put on your avatar.  Ames Bros. LOL
  • Mattchew
    Mattchew Posts: 1,345
    tempo_n_groove said:
    StevieG73 said:
    I would assume that most people here won't agree with this, but I will say it anyway.  I think this 2XL poster sale by Ames pretty much sums up what is wrong with the merch sales.  I'll use the 2XL Wrigley print as an example because I was considering it, correct me if I'm wrong but this was sold in Seattle during the home shows as X/100.  I can't speak for the people who bought it...but I would have assumed (yes, I know what happens when you assume) that there was only going to be 100 of these.  A few months later....another X/100 series injected into the market.  

    The second issue is when you buy a poster at a show, no matter how bad they are (and there have been some bad ones) you will pay $35.  They all have that nice 'say no to flippers' sticker on the back.  I think we will all agree that flipping is recognizing what prints people want...and marking up the price accordingly.  This is exactly what Ames did with the 2XL posters...price based on demand.  The ones that were cheaper were available for hours because of low demand....complete opposite for others.

    Some will argue that some of the money goes to help the homeless which is great.....but it doesn't change the fact that Ames played the market.
    If they were really playing the market then they'd have 96 Merriweather, 98 Vegas, Pitt, Sea, Hartford, Vancouver, Mansfield, Dallas, Melbourne and St Louis, not to mention Cincy 03 and Alpine 03.

    You could throw in all of the 98's really...
    That would be awesome if they did!  They would make a killing.  I love the 98 posters!
  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    You don’t like it, don’t buy it. 
    Basically this.  Let's face it there are a lot of people who clearly buy things, with the intention of waiting to sell it at some point.  Why in the world is anyone worried about quantity and pricing otherwise.

    I have the Benaroya Hall boxset, if they produce 2,000 or 5,000 more tomorrow so be it.  I did not buy it to oogle over its scarcity and price gauging that goes on. 
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  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,012
    PB11041 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    You don’t like it, don’t buy it. 
    Basically this.  Let's face it there are a lot of people who clearly buy things, with the intention of waiting to sell it at some point.  Why in the world is anyone worried about quantity and pricing otherwise.

    I have the Benaroya Hall boxset, if they produce 2,000 or 5,000 more tomorrow so be it.  I did not buy it to oogle over its scarcity and price gauging that goes on. 
    Well... if I paid $700 for a Kong today I would be worried about quantity and pricing for a very good reason.... if they printed 5,000 of them I sure as hell wouldn’t be paying $700 for one.  
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  • StevieG73
    StevieG73 Dublin, Ireland and New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 454
    buck502000 said:
    get ready to have this thread shut down and bars put on your avatar.  Ames Bros. LOL
    I welcome it...
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  • SJD3232
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    SJD3232 said:
    people are really annoying
    NO, "you are" really annoying!
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/6873514#Comment_6873514
    @tempo_n_groove dude, that made me pee a little.
  • Edved007
    Edved007 Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,065
    These are left over from the runs of 100 each they had in Seattle, they are numbered out of 100, no additional prints were made. No one bought them in Seattle, I mean a few did obviously, but I think they thought there would be a line out the door to scoop them up or something.  They didn't even offer a shipping option, how were people supposed to get home a 5 foot print?

    Secondly, I'm much more upset about the price change on some of the prints. Kong was $700 today, it was $500 in Seattle. They just knew with a larger online audience and shipping being available they could jack the price.

    I love their older work, but their business practices the last five years have been borderline unethical.  The beginning of the downfall was the AP2 shenanigans and the whole "handful" incident with the NYC Transformer gold print.  They wouldn't even give me a tax receipt or disclose what % was going to charity. If it's charitable it needs to be transparent. They get away with it all because of the relationship to the band and it's really gotten out of control. Not only do they do things other artists can't, but I think, and this is just my opinion, that the special treatment they get actually deters other artists from working with PJ.
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  • tommy boy
    tommy boy United States Posts: 686
    Collecting Art can be expensive.  We ALL have to deal with it.
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,808
    Sour grapes.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,306
    Who cares? Let them sell thousands of them. Don’t they have a right to make money? I don’t get this attitude towards artists. They created something. In any other business this doesn’t matter. Lighten up. 
  • SJD3232
    SJD3232 Posts: 2,203
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who cares? Let them sell thousands of them. Don’t they have a right to make money? I don’t get this attitude towards artists. They created something. In any other business this doesn’t matter. Lighten up. 

  • tommy boy
    tommy boy United States Posts: 686
    Exactly, well said Nickny15, who cares, go call your mom, go read a bedtime story, be thankful to be alive. . .
    ...
    Now on a serious FUCKING GRIPE, where is the NEW RECORD, ehh.... yeah ?..comeon...
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,140
    edited December 2018
    tommy boy said:
    Exactly, well said Nickny15, who cares, go call your mom, go read a bedtime story, be thankful to be alive. . .
    ...
    Now on a serious FUCKING GRIPE, where is the NEW RECORD, ehh.... yeah ?..comeon...
    One new song in five years?  I won’t be holding my breath. 
    Well said Nicky. 
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