AMES should be ashamed of themselves

BF89905

The artist(s) can and should be able to sell their work for any price they want. It's the marked up reselling around here that's slimey.

EdsonNascimento

StevieG73 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh, and market based pricing actually reduces flippers.  That is the easiest way to prevent flippers.  Price stuff as high as market will bear.  So it’s the exact opposite of what the OP says we all agree to.  

I do see your logic...but I don't think it will apply to the 2 or 3 posters that people want in this case.  I keep going back to the Wrigley one, I have no doubt they'll still be on eBay for double the price and people will buy them.  This is just one of three issues...the second issue is the fact that no one seems to know if these are leftovers from the 100 from the home shows....and thirdly, how did they get the OK to reprint these?  Has the opportunity been extended to the other artists?
Guys like Munk One, Brad Klausen and Dan Mumford could set up their great grandkids if they did this.

I agree.  They probably could go higher so you should be praising them for not doing so.  However, they are at a point where addl profit would be limited for a flipper.  An artist could sell dierect for more than a flipper due to authenticity concerns.  So, yet another differentiator that this is not flipping as initially argued.

I think a basic economics course would help if you were really interested beyond complaining about what a creator does with their own creations.  

StevieG73

I will admit that many of you make solid arguments where, at the end of the day, the artist should have control over their work.  I still struggle with the fact that there were Wrigley and Kong posters left in Seattle...but I guess it's now irrelevant.  Having said that...I won't budge on the reprint issue.  Regardless of it being 5'...I feel the value of the AP Wrigley that I got in 2013 has diminished...at least it has in my eyes. 

cp3iverson

StevieG73 said:

Regardless of it being 5'...I feel the value of the AP Wrigley that I got in 2013 has diminished...at least it has in my eyes. 

Its taller than your car!   These arent AP2s.  These are taller than most fifth graders. Cmon guys   Entirely different entity.  

Drink some eggnog fellas. Relax

bootlegger10

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

shecky

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Tim Simmons

PB11041 said:

 Let's face it there are a lot of people who clearly buy things, with the intention of waiting to sell it at some point.  Why in the world is anyone worried about quantity and pricing otherwise.

This is crux of collecting. If you are truly in it to collect and enjoy something, qty and reprints/represses shouldn't matter. If "after market value" is a big issue, you are in it for the wrong reason. 

RoleModelsinBlood31

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

bootlegger10

shecky said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Haha.  Maybe I was a little harsh but your assessment on jealousy and my finances is way off.  I'm selling off most of my collection and not because I need the cash but because the collecting game has jumped the shark.  My job has paid for me to see 100 PJ shows across three continents without having to sleep on couches and flip merch.  I'll still have 30 posters hanging on the wall, but not reprints I paid $800 for.  Doing just fine.

But yeah, blast AMES Bros for selling products they created to people ready to pay for them. 

mcgruff10

bootlegger10 said:

shecky said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Haha.  Maybe I was a little harsh but your assessment on jealousy and my finances is way off.  I'm selling off most of my collection and not because I need the cash but because the collecting game has jumped the shark.  My job has paid for me to see 100 PJ shows across three continents without having to sleep on couches and flip merch.  I'll still have 30 posters hanging on the wall, but not reprints I paid $800 for.  Doing just fine.

But yeah, blast AMES Bros for selling products they created to people ready to pay for them. 

Only three continents?  Damn rookie. 

bootlegger10

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

shecky said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Haha.  Maybe I was a little harsh but your assessment on jealousy and my finances is way off.  I'm selling off most of my collection and not because I need the cash but because the collecting game has jumped the shark.  My job has paid for me to see 100 PJ shows across three continents without having to sleep on couches and flip merch.  I'll still have 30 posters hanging on the wall, but not reprints I paid $800 for.  Doing just fine.

But yeah, blast AMES Bros for selling products they created to people ready to pay for them. 

Only three continents?  Damn rookie. 

I was in college the last time they visited Asia!    Such a bully.
And my damn job I have to afford paying $800 for reprints doesn’t time up well with Aussie tours.

mcgruff10

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

shecky said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Haha.  Maybe I was a little harsh but your assessment on jealousy and my finances is way off.  I'm selling off most of my collection and not because I need the cash but because the collecting game has jumped the shark.  My job has paid for me to see 100 PJ shows across three continents without having to sleep on couches and flip merch.  I'll still have 30 posters hanging on the wall, but not reprints I paid $800 for.  Doing just fine.

But yeah, blast AMES Bros for selling products they created to people ready to pay for them. 

Only three continents?  Damn rookie. 

I was in college the last time they visited Asia!    Such a bully.
And my damn job I have to afford paying $800 for reprints doesn’t time up well with Aussie tours.

If you didn’t travel to South Africa to watch Eddie play a 20 minute set than you aren’t a real fan. I m guessing 98/100 of the shows you saw are in the north east. I am hardly impressed. 

bootlegger10

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

shecky said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Haha.  Maybe I was a little harsh but your assessment on jealousy and my finances is way off.  I'm selling off most of my collection and not because I need the cash but because the collecting game has jumped the shark.  My job has paid for me to see 100 PJ shows across three continents without having to sleep on couches and flip merch.  I'll still have 30 posters hanging on the wall, but not reprints I paid $800 for.  Doing just fine.

But yeah, blast AMES Bros for selling products they created to people ready to pay for them. 

Only three continents?  Damn rookie. 

I was in college the last time they visited Asia!    Such a bully.
And my damn job I have to afford paying $800 for reprints doesn’t time up well with Aussie tours.

If you didn’t travel to South Africa to watch Eddie play a 20 minute set than you aren’t a real fan. I m guessing 98/100 of the shows you saw are in the north east. I am hardly impressed. 

He played Long Road for the 200th time but with a choir though.  It was so emotional.  You just don’t understand.  

You are correct though.  One show in Brazil, one show in London, and then 98 shows in New York and Philly where the real fans live.

mcgruff10

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

shecky said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Jealous much? Get a second job (or just one good one) if you can't afford what you want.

Haha.  Maybe I was a little harsh but your assessment on jealousy and my finances is way off.  I'm selling off most of my collection and not because I need the cash but because the collecting game has jumped the shark.  My job has paid for me to see 100 PJ shows across three continents without having to sleep on couches and flip merch.  I'll still have 30 posters hanging on the wall, but not reprints I paid $800 for.  Doing just fine.

But yeah, blast AMES Bros for selling products they created to people ready to pay for them. 

Only three continents?  Damn rookie. 

I was in college the last time they visited Asia!    Such a bully.
And my damn job I have to afford paying $800 for reprints doesn’t time up well with Aussie tours.

If you didn’t travel to South Africa to watch Eddie play a 20 minute set than you aren’t a real fan. I m guessing 98/100 of the shows you saw are in the north east. I am hardly impressed. 

He played Long Road for the 200th time but with a choir though.  It was so emotional.  You just don’t understand.  

You are correct though.  One show in Brazil, one show in London, and then 98 shows in New York and Philly where the real fans live.

I knew it!!! Lol.  Happy holidays bud. I m only 42 shows behind you!!

hrd2imgn

Hmmmm a for profit business want to take advantage of customomer demand.....

This is not the same print as the shows or previous sales, it is the same image but dramatically different in size and presentation.  They have done nothing to lessen the scarcity or value of the other runs.  Is a print worth less if it is a book or advertisement?

Artists produce second, third even fourth runs of stuff all the time to MAKE  money.  People do it after they die even.  See Salvador Dali, people basically had him sign 60000 prints and paid him for the blanks.

At least these are legit, a new version, and of things people want.

Zod

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

It sort of makes sense as they only do it for the stadium shows where a lot more poeple attend.  Personally I like it when there's 5 posters, it mean's there should be a good one that I feel is worth framing.   Not like going to a Vancouver '11 and having zero options

RoleModelsinBlood31

Zod said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

It sort of makes sense as they only do it for the stadium shows where a lot more poeple attend.  Personally I like it when there's 5 posters, it mean's there should be a good one that I feel is worth framing.   Not like going to a Vancouver '11 and having zero options

Yep, to each his own, I get it.  I just like the good old days where there was an event, and a poster to commemorate it.  I get when there’s more demand you increase supply, but it’s gone off the deep end imo.  5 foot posters for 700 bucks a piece just tells me it’s time to move on from being a little kid and start focusing on family vacations instead of this silly stuff.

on2legs

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Zod said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

It sort of makes sense as they only do it for the stadium shows where a lot more poeple attend.  Personally I like it when there's 5 posters, it mean's there should be a good one that I feel is worth framing.   Not like going to a Vancouver '11 and having zero options

Yep, to each his own, I get it.  I just like the good old days where there was an event, and a poster to commemorate it.  I get when there’s more demand you increase supply, but it’s gone off the deep end imo.  5 foot posters for 700 bucks a piece just tells me it’s time to move on from being a little kid and start focusing on family vacations instead of this silly stuff.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Zod said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

It sort of makes sense as they only do it for the stadium shows where a lot more poeple attend.  Personally I like it when there's 5 posters, it mean's there should be a good one that I feel is worth framing.   Not like going to a Vancouver '11 and having zero options

Yep, to each his own, I get it.  I just like the good old days where there was an event, and a poster to commemorate it.  I get when there’s more demand you increase supply, but it’s gone off the deep end imo.  5 foot posters for 700 bucks a piece just tells me it’s time to move on from being a little kid and start focusing on family vacations instead of this silly stuff.

Why is it one or the other?  I’m pretty sure one can buy a poster and still take the family on vacation.  

RoleModelsinBlood31

on2legs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Zod said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

It sort of makes sense as they only do it for the stadium shows where a lot more poeple attend.  Personally I like it when there's 5 posters, it mean's there should be a good one that I feel is worth framing.   Not like going to a Vancouver '11 and having zero options

Yep, to each his own, I get it.  I just like the good old days where there was an event, and a poster to commemorate it.  I get when there’s more demand you increase supply, but it’s gone off the deep end imo.  5 foot posters for 700 bucks a piece just tells me it’s time to move on from being a little kid and start focusing on family vacations instead of this silly stuff.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Zod said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We all focus on Ames here, but the really focus should be on the complete jackasses buying these oversized prints.  Get an f'n life.

Agreed.  To me it’s not about affordability, it’s about how ridiculous these are.  If you owned a museum these would be fantastic, though.  They do fit in with the merch craze though, when a single concert has 5 posters, it’s all overkill.

It sort of makes sense as they only do it for the stadium shows where a lot more poeple attend.  Personally I like it when there's 5 posters, it mean's there should be a good one that I feel is worth framing.   Not like going to a Vancouver '11 and having zero options

Yep, to each his own, I get it.  I just like the good old days where there was an event, and a poster to commemorate it.  I get when there’s more demand you increase supply, but it’s gone off the deep end imo.  5 foot posters for 700 bucks a piece just tells me it’s time to move on from being a little kid and start focusing on family vacations instead of this silly stuff.

Why is it one or the other?  I’m pretty sure one can buy a poster and still take the family on vacation.  

One can for sure, we’re free to do as we please it’s just about priorities I suppose. 5 foot posters just aren’t one of mine