AMES should be ashamed of themselves

StevieG73

I would assume that most people here won't agree with this, but I will say it anyway.  I think this 2XL poster sale by Ames pretty much sums up what is wrong with the merch sales.  I'll use the 2XL Wrigley print as an example because I was considering it, correct me if I'm wrong but this was sold in Seattle during the home shows as X/100.  I can't speak for the people who bought it...but I would have assumed (yes, I know what happens when you assume) that there was only going to be 100 of these.  A few months later....another X/100 series injected into the market.  

The second issue is when you buy a poster at a show, no matter how bad they are (and there have been some bad ones) you will pay $35.  They all have that nice 'say no to flippers' sticker on the back.  I think we will all agree that flipping is recognizing what prints people want...and marking up the price accordingly.  This is exactly what Ames did with the 2XL posters...price based on demand.  The ones that were cheaper were available for hours because of low demand....complete opposite for others.

Some will argue that some of the money goes to help the homeless which is great.....but it doesn't change the fact that Ames played the market.

Norman MF Skeeter III

I concur 

tubes10s

I'm not sure that it's a second batch of x/100 posters.  I was under the impression that these are all XXL versions that did not sell in Seattle.  

Horse2345

There is no second run, these are leftovers from Seattle.

lotsalemon

tubes10s said:

I'm not sure that it's a second batch of x/100 posters.  I was under the impression that these are all XXL versions that did not sell in Seattle.  

I believe that's the case. 

I don't get why people are upset when the artists themselves "play the market."

Artists sell reprints of their artwork all the time - they are trying to make a living - why are they being treated as badly as "flippers" when it's their own artwork they are selling? 

And yeah a portion of the sale goes to charity, so why can't they ask more for these? They could've auctioned them on ebay and gotten a lot more.

bflynn1

There were only about 30 Wrigley's available in the Ames sale.

2-feign-reluctance

lotsalemon said:

tubes10s said:

I'm not sure that it's a second batch of x/100 posters.  I was under the impression that these are all XXL versions that did not sell in Seattle.  

I believe that's the case. 

I don't get why people are upset when the artists themselves "play the market."

Artists sell reprints of their artwork all the time - they are trying to make a living - why are they being treated as badly as "flippers" when it's their own artwork they are selling? 

And yeah a portion of the sale goes to charity, so why can't they ask more for these? They could've auctioned them on ebay and gotten a lot more.

tubes10s

There are still 27 of the full $4200 12-poster XXL sets on the Ames Bros website as of 11:37 EST today.  

RP112579

I can't believe they would do this considering the amount of money artists have coming in on a consistent basis.....

tempo_n_groove

StevieG73 said:

I would assume that most people here won't agree with this, but I will say it anyway.  I think this 2XL poster sale by Ames pretty much sums up what is wrong with the merch sales.  I'll use the 2XL Wrigley print as an example because I was considering it, correct me if I'm wrong but this was sold in Seattle during the home shows as X/100.  I can't speak for the people who bought it...but I would have assumed (yes, I know what happens when you assume) that there was only going to be 100 of these.  A few months later....another X/100 series injected into the market.  

The second issue is when you buy a poster at a show, no matter how bad they are (and there have been some bad ones) you will pay $35.  They all have that nice 'say no to flippers' sticker on the back.  I think we will all agree that flipping is recognizing what prints people want...and marking up the price accordingly.  This is exactly what Ames did with the 2XL posters...price based on demand.  The ones that were cheaper were available for hours because of low demand....complete opposite for others.

Some will argue that some of the money goes to help the homeless which is great.....but it doesn't change the fact that Ames played the market.

If they were really playing the market then they'd have 96 Merriweather, 98 Vegas, Pitt, Sea, Hartford, Vancouver, Mansfield, Dallas, Melbourne and St Louis, not to mention Cincy 03 and Alpine 03.

You could throw in all of the 98's really...

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning

tempo_n_groove said:

StevieG73 said:

I would assume that most people here won't agree with this, but I will say it anyway.  I think this 2XL poster sale by Ames pretty much sums up what is wrong with the merch sales.  I'll use the 2XL Wrigley print as an example because I was considering it, correct me if I'm wrong but this was sold in Seattle during the home shows as X/100.  I can't speak for the people who bought it...but I would have assumed (yes, I know what happens when you assume) that there was only going to be 100 of these.  A few months later....another X/100 series injected into the market.  

The second issue is when you buy a poster at a show, no matter how bad they are (and there have been some bad ones) you will pay $35.  They all have that nice 'say no to flippers' sticker on the back.  I think we will all agree that flipping is recognizing what prints people want...and marking up the price accordingly.  This is exactly what Ames did with the 2XL posters...price based on demand.  The ones that were cheaper were available for hours because of low demand....complete opposite for others.

Some will argue that some of the money goes to help the homeless which is great.....but it doesn't change the fact that Ames played the market.

If they were really playing the market then they'd have 96 Merriweather, 98 Vegas, Pitt, Sea, Hartford, Vancouver, Mansfield, Dallas, Melbourne and St Louis, not to mention Cincy 03 and Alpine 03.

You could throw in all of the 98's really...

Oh...and you could throw in creating new posters for the shows that never had show-specific posters.

RoleModelsinBlood31

Amazing how they ended up with exactly 100 of each poster after the seattle sale.  What great foresight and planning they had with how many they originally printed!

cp3iverson

 Its charity so im not gonna get too upset about it.  Im not a fan of reprints in general.  Cant apologize for liking limited things.

StevieG73

Some great points, especially the one regarding the selection of the posters.  Only a few of the 12 are good ones in my opinion.

I have a hard time accepting that there were Wrigley and Kong posters left in Seattle.

I doubt you've ever see Munk One and Maxx242 send out a notice that there's a PJ20 Billboard reprint.

tubes10s

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Amazing how they ended up with exactly 100 of each poster after the seattle sale.  What great foresight and planning they had with how many they originally printed!

I don't think anything says that there were 100 after Seattle.  Only that 100 XXLs of each were printed to begin with.  

RoleModelsinBlood31

tubes10s said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Amazing how they ended up with exactly 100 of each poster after the seattle sale.  What great foresight and planning they had with how many they originally printed!

I don't think anything says that there were 100 after Seattle.  Only that 100 XXLs of each were printed to begin with.  

Oohhh forgive me then, so some of these posters there were only a few dozen left then perhaps for this sale? Ok, that makes more sense, thanks!

SJD3232

people are really annoying

tempo_n_groove

StevieG73 said:

Some great points, especially the one regarding the selection of the posters.  Only a few of the 12 are good ones in my opinion.

I have a hard time accepting that there were Wrigley and Kong posters left in Seattle.

I doubt you've ever see Munk One and Maxx242 send out a notice that there's a PJ20 Billboard reprint.

PJ won't let this happen.

StevieG73

tempo_n_groove said:

StevieG73 said:

Some great points, especially the one regarding the selection of the posters.  Only a few of the 12 are good ones in my opinion.

I have a hard time accepting that there were Wrigley and Kong posters left in Seattle.

I doubt you've ever see Munk One and Maxx242 send out a notice that there's a PJ20 Billboard reprint.

PJ won't let this happen.

I agree...and the same rules should apply to Ames.

tempo_n_groove

SJD3232 said:

people are really annoying

NO, "you are" really annoying!
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/6873514#Comment_6873514

EdsonNascimento

Huh?   Flipping is when someone buys something then turns around and sells it for more.   Market pricing by the producer is not anything close to flipping.  It’s simple supply/demand based pricing.  It’s done with every item you purchase on a daily basis.  Manufacturer determines a supply point to meet a certain demand and price point (or price to meet the others, etc.).

And when they’re wrong, price either goes up or the excess supply goes on sale.  Are you upset by Ames’ sale prices?  If I bought something before and it went on sale by them a month later, that would upset me more than they charged the next guy more.  Their sale prices are based on the exact same concept as your perceived price gouging.  Why doesn’t that ever bother anyone?

and while I don’t think this was a new batch lol on being upset about a fund raiser.  

cp3iverson

It is Christmas.  Probably $20k went to help folks spending it under an overpass. And the posters are their own separate entity being 5 feet tall.  Your original Ames is still fine.  

The world did not end. 

EdsonNascimento

Oh, and market based pricing actually reduces flippers.  That is the easiest way to prevent flippers.  Price stuff as high as market will bear.  So it’s the exact opposite of what the OP says we all agree to.  

StevieG73

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh, and market based pricing actually reduces flippers.  That is the easiest way to prevent flippers.  Price stuff as high as market will bear.  So it’s the exact opposite of what the OP says we all agree to.  

I do see your logic...but I don't think it will apply to the 2 or 3 posters that people want in this case.  I keep going back to the Wrigley one, I have no doubt they'll still be on eBay for double the price and people will buy them.  This is just one of three issues...the second issue is the fact that no one seems to know if these are leftovers from the 100 from the home shows....and thirdly, how did they get the OK to reprint these?  Has the opportunity been extended to the other artists?
Guys like Munk One, Brad Klausen and Dan Mumford could set up their great grandkids if they did this.

KC2917

How dare they sell their own product at a price that reflects the demand? The nerve of these guys...

mcgruff10

You don’t like it, don’t buy it. 

100 Pacer

If Ames should be ashamed of anything it should be the AP2’s (although they learned their lesson).

CopperTom

KC2917 said:

How dare they sell their own product at a price that reflects the demand? The nerve of these guys...

buck502000

get ready to have this thread shut down and bars put on your avatar.  Ames Bros. LOL

Mattchew

tempo_n_groove said:

StevieG73 said:

I would assume that most people here won't agree with this, but I will say it anyway.  I think this 2XL poster sale by Ames pretty much sums up what is wrong with the merch sales.  I'll use the 2XL Wrigley print as an example because I was considering it, correct me if I'm wrong but this was sold in Seattle during the home shows as X/100.  I can't speak for the people who bought it...but I would have assumed (yes, I know what happens when you assume) that there was only going to be 100 of these.  A few months later....another X/100 series injected into the market.  

The second issue is when you buy a poster at a show, no matter how bad they are (and there have been some bad ones) you will pay $35.  They all have that nice 'say no to flippers' sticker on the back.  I think we will all agree that flipping is recognizing what prints people want...and marking up the price accordingly.  This is exactly what Ames did with the 2XL posters...price based on demand.  The ones that were cheaper were available for hours because of low demand....complete opposite for others.

Some will argue that some of the money goes to help the homeless which is great.....but it doesn't change the fact that Ames played the market.

If they were really playing the market then they'd have 96 Merriweather, 98 Vegas, Pitt, Sea, Hartford, Vancouver, Mansfield, Dallas, Melbourne and St Louis, not to mention Cincy 03 and Alpine 03.

You could throw in all of the 98's really...

That would be awesome if they did!  They would make a killing.  I love the 98 posters!

PB11041

mcgruff10 said:

You don’t like it, don’t buy it. 

Basically this.  Let's face it there are a lot of people who clearly buy things, with the intention of waiting to sell it at some point.  Why in the world is anyone worried about quantity and pricing otherwise.

I have the Benaroya Hall boxset, if they produce 2,000 or 5,000 more tomorrow so be it.  I did not buy it to oogle over its scarcity and price gauging that goes on.