I think what said it all was “drum machine, keyboard, sampling and computer software.” the shit that really sells is “music” without musicianship. really good music will no longer sell like pop pap, but it still exists if you seek it out.
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I think what said it all was “drum machine, keyboard, sampling and computer software.” the shit that really sells is “music” without musicianship. really good music will no longer sell like pop pap, but it still exists if you seek it out.
100%. It’s not that modern music is definitvely bad, it’s just that the modern era of music doesn’t permit for good musicianship to have popular success.
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I want 13 minutes back
I kept waiting for something profound.
Nope.
There is still good music, we are just old farts. Things change. Ebb and flow
Some people say the 80s suck. I say they suck.
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brianlux
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Hey baby gimme some o' that millennial "WHOOP" Whao-o Whao-0.
I know better than to get into an argument about this subject. Over at the Hoffman site its been done a bunch to no great success. But I am opinionated enough about the subject to risk sounding like some music snob or whatever in saying I think the guy in the video has a good and valid point. Popular music is way less interesting and musical today than it was 50 years ago. That doesn't mean there isn't good music today. There is great music today! But so much of what's out there gets "processed", spit out and forgotten in a flash. Or should I say a blur. The good stuffs there, but it's shoved further and further under the radar. But that's OK. Those kinds of social phenomena always lead to a breaking through to yet another side.
But saying today's great music isn't getting played to as many people isn't where it ends. I think that is indicative of something more important, more problematic and more disturbing that whatever the latest hit is. And it isn't just music. The same thing could be said about a lot of modern culture, and education, and what people do with their time. Look at social media. And this is not a diatribe against the internet. Many intelligent discussion happen on the internet. But what does the average person discuss on social media? Who has time for this shit? It's sad.
It's time to wake up again.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I think what said it all was “drum machine, keyboard, sampling and computer software.” the shit that really sells is “music” without musicianship. really good music will no longer sell like pop pap, but it still exists if you seek it out.
Hey baby gimme some o' that millennial "WHOOP" Whao-o Whao-0.
I know better than to get into an argument about this subject. Over at the Hoffman site its been done a bunch to no great success. But I am opinionated enough about the subject to risk sounding like some music snob or whatever in saying I think the guy in the video has a good and valid point. Popular music is way less interesting and musical today than it was 50 years ago. That doesn't mean there isn't good music today. There is great music today! But so much of what's out there gets "processed", spit out and forgotten in a flash. Or should I say a blur. The good stuffs there, but it's shoved further and further under the radar. But that's OK. Those kinds of social phenomena always lead to a breaking through to yet another side.
But saying today's great music isn't getting played to as many people isn't where it ends. I think that is indicative of something more important, more problematic and more disturbing that whatever the latest hit is. And it isn't just music. The same thing could be said about a lot of modern culture, and education, and what people do with their time. Look at social media. And this is not a diatribe against the internet. Many intelligent discussion happen on the internet. But what does the average person discuss on social media? Who has time for this shit? It's sad.
It's time to wake up again.
60's and 90's.
Every thirty years or so a music revolution happens.
I'm waiting for the awakening too Brian.
Also I love a lot of the music that is out there. Migos kill!
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There is crappy music in every era. Punk music flat out sucks. Is just terrible. Jeff Ament absolutely loves it. Whatever.
You must not be a Pearl Jam fan. Punk had a lot of influence on them and almost all the bands from the era that made PJ great. And the other way around-- look at the 60's rockers who embraced punk; Neil Young, Pete Townshend, Bob Dylan, Ray Manzarak, to name a few.
Are you sure you don't mean, "I'm not a fan of punk rock but obviously it had a big influence on music"?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Hicks' bit about drugs and music is mostly true but I also think it is equally true that there has always been a down side to drugs in the music business and in music fans because for every person who used drugs to expand their creative thinking there was another who abused drugs and became a slobbering, blithering idiot. One is great, the other is a huge embarrassment. This kind of activity really works best with education and guidance. The ugly side of it is horrible and nothing to be glorified.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
There is crappy music in every era. Punk music flat out sucks. Is just terrible. Jeff Ament absolutely loves it. Whatever.
You must not be a Pearl Jam fan. Punk had a lot of influence on them and almost all the bands from the era that made PJ great. And the other way around-- look at the 60's rockers who embraced punk; Neil Young, Pete Townshend, Bob Dylan, Ray Manzarak, to name a few.
Are you sure you don't mean, "I'm not a fan of punk rock but obviously it had a big influence on music"?
I like Pearl Jam, but without exception every time a band member guest DJ's on Sirius and breaks out an old punk tune from a band I never have heard of I cringe. I get that music evolves, but those songs are monotonous and boring. Pearl Jam is not punk. At all. They like to say they are to feel good about themselves and making millions, but they are not. Punk is not an attitude to me. It is just loud, lazy music. I like Pearl Jam's spot in the evolution tree of music. I don't want to listen to garage bands.
It is like comedies. Animal House I'm sure was hilarious in its day. Breakfast Club is treasured by millions. Comedy has evolved.
I think it all just comes down to what was new at the time you were growing up.
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brianlux
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There is crappy music in every era. Punk music flat out sucks. Is just terrible. Jeff Ament absolutely loves it. Whatever.
You must not be a Pearl Jam fan. Punk had a lot of influence on them and almost all the bands from the era that made PJ great. And the other way around-- look at the 60's rockers who embraced punk; Neil Young, Pete Townshend, Bob Dylan, Ray Manzarak, to name a few.
Are you sure you don't mean, "I'm not a fan of punk rock but obviously it had a big influence on music"?
I like Pearl Jam, but without exception every time a band member guest DJ's on Sirius and breaks out an old punk tune from a band I never have heard of I cringe. I get that music evolves, but those songs are monotonous and boring. Pearl Jam is not punk. At all. They like to say they are to feel good about themselves and making millions, but they are not. Punk is not an attitude to me. It is just loud, lazy music. I like Pearl Jam's spot in the evolution tree of music. I don't want to listen to garage bands.
It is like comedies. Animal House I'm sure was hilarious in its day. Breakfast Club is treasured by millions. Comedy has evolved.
I think it all just comes down to what was new at the time you were growing up.
I totally get it that you don't like punk. I don't care much for hip hop. My mother hated rock and roll. I just don't feel the need to label any music as "crappy" or say that it sucks or is terrible.
That said, as much as I agree with the general premise of the OP video, I would have worded it differently. Instead of say "Why modern music is awful" I would have said something like "Why modern music is inferior". I have this thing about calling any music "bad". Pretty much any music ever made is liked or loved by someone and if it makes that someone feel good, well, that is not "bad". You or I may like care for it, but it isn't bad. Stealing, cheating, lying, abusing, harming- those things are bad. But music? I don't think so.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
lol punk sucks yeah ok , bootlegger why don’t you tell us what genre is the best ...
jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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I googled some of Cardi B's lyrics. Not "bad" according to many, but really...what in the fuckity fuck is this fuckery?
Said little bitch, you can't fuck with me If you wanted to These expensive, these is red bottoms These is bloody shoes Hit the store, I can get 'em both I don't wanna choose And I'm quick, cut a nigga off So don't get comfortable Look, I don't dance now I make money moves Say I don't gotta dance I make money move If I see you and I don't speak That means I don't fuck with you I'm a boss, you a worker bitch I make bloody moves
Now she says she gon' do what to who? Let's find out and see, Cardi B You know where I'm at You know where I be You in the club just to party I'm there, I get paid a fee I be in and out them banks so much I know they're tired of me Honestly, don't give a fuck 'Bout who ain't fond of me Dropped two mixtapes in six months What bitch working as hard as me? I don't bother with these hoes Don't let these hoes bother me They see pictures, they say goals Bitch, I'm who they tryna be Look, I might just chill in some Bape I might just chill with your boo I might just feel on your babe My pussy feel like a lake He wanna swim with his face I'm like okay I'll let him do what he want He buy me Yves Saint Laurent And the new whip When I go fast as a horse I got the trunk in the front I'm the hottest in the street Know you prolly heard of me Got a bag and fixed my teeth Hope you hoes know it ain't cheap And I pay my mama bills I ain't got no time to chill Think these hoes be mad at me Their baby father run a bill
Said little bitch, you can't fuck with me If you wanted to These expensive, these is red bottoms These is bloody shoes Hit the store, I can get 'em both I don't wanna choose And I'm quick, cut a nigga off Don't get comfortable Look, I don't dance now I make money moves Say I don't gotta dance I make money move If I see you and I don't speak That means I don't fuck with you I'm a boss, you a worker bitch I make bloody moves
If you a pussy you get popped You a goofy, you a opp Don't you come around my way You can't hang around my block And I just checked my accounts Turns out, I'm rich, I'm rich, I'm rich I put my hand above my hip I bet, you dip, he dip, she dip I say, I get the money and go This shit is hot like a stove My pussy glitter as gold Tell that li'l bitch play her role I just arrove in a Rolls I just came up in a Wraith I need to fill up the tank No, I need to fill up the safe I need to let all these hoes know That none of they niggas is safe
I go to dinner and steak Only the real can relate I used to live in the P's Now it's a crib with a gate Rollie got charms, look like frosted flakes Had to let these bitches know Just in case these hoes forgot I just run and check the mail Another check from Mona Scott
Said little bitch, you can't fuck with me If you wanted to These expensive, these is red bottoms These is bloody shoes Hit the store, I can get 'em both I don't wanna choose And I'm quick, cut a nigga hustle Don't get comfortable Look, I don't dance now I make money moves Say I don't gotta dance I make money move If I see you and I don't speak That means I don't fuck with you I'm a boss, you a worker bitch I make bloody moves
Okay. I will rephrase and say that I do not like punk music at all. I realize that a lot of people do and it clearly inspires a lot of musicians. My thought is that it is less from a musical perspective and more so from a rebellious perspective. Every song by the Ramones is the same. I will say the same about Gaslight Anthem.
My top 5 rotation of artists right now is NIN, Nick Cave,Lana Del Rey, Lady Gaga and The National. Flame away . I prefer variety.
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Okay. I will rephrase and say that I do not like punk music at all. I realize that a lot of people do and it clearly inspires a lot of musicians. My thought is that it is less from a musical perspective and more so from a rebellious perspective. Every song by the Ramones is the same. I will say the same about Gaslight Anthem.
My top 5 rotation of artists right now is NIN, Nick Cave,Lana Del Rey, Lady Gaga and The National. Flame away . I prefer variety.
Variety yes! Of the bands and music I like, some example that are the most disparate I would include:
Albert Ayler (free jazz)
Sandy Bull (a blend of several influences)
Willie Nelson (country)
Dinosaur Jr (rock)
The Beach Boys (surf, pop)
As for The Ramones, yeah, a lot of the songs are very similar but I wouldn't say they are all the same. For example (and if you hate these, at least sample both songs to see what I mean):
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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This conversation reminds me of when someone said all of the songs by Neil Young and Crazy sound the same. Listen to the intro to this song for Neil's response, lol:
Okay. I will rephrase and say that I do not like punk music at all. I realize that a lot of people do and it clearly inspires a lot of musicians. My thought is that it is less from a musical perspective and more so from a rebellious perspective. Every song by the Ramones is the same. I will say the same about Gaslight Anthem.
My top 5 rotation of artists right now is NIN, Nick Cave,Lana Del Rey, Lady Gaga and The National. Flame away . I prefer variety.
Variety yes! Of the bands and music I like, some example that are the most disparate I would include:
Albert Ayler (free jazz)
Sandy Bull (a blend of several influences)
Willie Nelson (country)
Dinosaur Jr (rock)
The Beach Boys (surf, pop)
As for The Ramones, yeah, a lot of the songs are very similar but I wouldn't say they are all the same. For example (and if you hate these, at least sample both songs to see what I mean):
Okay. I will rephrase and say that I do not like punk music at all. I realize that a lot of people do and it clearly inspires a lot of musicians. My thought is that it is less from a musical perspective and more so from a rebellious perspective. Every song by the Ramones is the same. I will say the same about Gaslight Anthem.
My top 5 rotation of artists right now is NIN, Nick Cave,Lana Del Rey, Lady Gaga and The National. Flame away . I prefer variety.
I like punk music, but I wouldn't try to convert someone who didn't. And I don't see anything wrong with your current rotation, so I waive my right to flame away.
This conversation reminds me of when someone said all of the songs by Neil Young and Crazy sound the same. Listen to the intro to this song for Neil's response, lol:
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I want 13 minutes back
I kept waiting for something profound.
Nope.
There is still good music, we are just old farts. Things change. Ebb and flow
Some people say the 80s suck. I say they suck.
Every thirty years or so a music revolution happens.
I'm waiting for the awakening too Brian.
Also I love a lot of the music that is out there. Migos kill!
There is crappy music in every era. Punk music flat out sucks. Is just terrible. Jeff Ament absolutely loves it. Whatever.
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
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I like Pearl Jam, but without exception every time a band member guest DJ's on Sirius and breaks out an old punk tune from a band I never have heard of I cringe. I get that music evolves, but those songs are monotonous and boring. Pearl Jam is not punk. At all. They like to say they are to feel good about themselves and making millions, but they are not. Punk is not an attitude to me. It is just loud, lazy music. I like Pearl Jam's spot in the evolution tree of music. I don't want to listen to garage bands.
It is like comedies. Animal House I'm sure was hilarious in its day. Breakfast Club is treasured by millions. Comedy has evolved.
I think it all just comes down to what was new at the time you were growing up.
If you wanted to
These expensive, these is red bottoms
These is bloody shoes
Hit the store, I can get 'em both
I don't wanna choose
And I'm quick, cut a nigga off
So don't get comfortable
Look, I don't dance now
I make money moves
Say I don't gotta dance
I make money move
If I see you and I don't speak
That means I don't fuck with you
I'm a boss, you a worker bitch
I make bloody moves
Let's find out and see, Cardi B
You know where I'm at
You know where I be
You in the club just to party
I'm there, I get paid a fee
I be in and out them banks so much
I know they're tired of me
Honestly, don't give a fuck
'Bout who ain't fond of me
Dropped two mixtapes in six months
What bitch working as hard as me?
I don't bother with these hoes
Don't let these hoes bother me
They see pictures, they say goals
Bitch, I'm who they tryna be
Look, I might just chill in some Bape
I might just chill with your boo
I might just feel on your babe
My pussy feel like a lake
He wanna swim with his face
I'm like okay
I'll let him do what he want
He buy me Yves Saint Laurent
And the new whip
When I go fast as a horse
I got the trunk in the front
I'm the hottest in the street
Know you prolly heard of me
Got a bag and fixed my teeth
Hope you hoes know it ain't cheap
And I pay my mama bills
I ain't got no time to chill
Think these hoes be mad at me
Their baby father run a bill
If you wanted to
These expensive, these is red bottoms
These is bloody shoes
Hit the store, I can get 'em both
I don't wanna choose
And I'm quick, cut a nigga off
Don't get comfortable
Look, I don't dance now
I make money moves
Say I don't gotta dance
I make money move
If I see you and I don't speak
That means I don't fuck with you
I'm a boss, you a worker bitch
I make bloody moves
You a goofy, you a opp
Don't you come around my way
You can't hang around my block
And I just checked my accounts
Turns out, I'm rich, I'm rich, I'm rich
I put my hand above my hip
I bet, you dip, he dip, she dip
I say, I get the money and go
This shit is hot like a stove
My pussy glitter as gold
Tell that li'l bitch play her role
I just arrove in a Rolls
I just came up in a Wraith
I need to fill up the tank
No, I need to fill up the safe
I need to let all these hoes know
That none of they niggas is safe
Only the real can relate
I used to live in the P's
Now it's a crib with a gate
Rollie got charms, look like frosted flakes
Had to let these bitches know
Just in case these hoes forgot
I just run and check the mail
Another check from Mona Scott
If you wanted to
These expensive, these is red bottoms
These is bloody shoes
Hit the store, I can get 'em both
I don't wanna choose
And I'm quick, cut a nigga hustle
Don't get comfortable
Look, I don't dance now
I make money moves
Say I don't gotta dance
I make money move
If I see you and I don't speak
That means I don't fuck with you
I'm a boss, you a worker bitch
I make bloody moves
My top 5 rotation of artists right now is NIN, Nick Cave,Lana Del Rey, Lady Gaga and The National. Flame away
even if I look and act really crazy.