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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Transportation planning is my field and sometimes I think it's the most failed field in America.

    What we primarily need is a time machine to undo all the hasty ripping out of streetcar tracks and and road building we did in the 1940s-1960s. We put all our eggs in the single-occupant vehicle basket and the results are disastrous. Check out this nice summary why building for all modes is better for all travelers, including drivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k. I'd move to Amsterdam right now if I could.

    Road building is essentially a ponzi scheme and we continue to build every housing development their own interchange ("if you come, they will build it."). We let development drive transportation infrastructure when it should have been the other way around.

    Electric vehicles are not meant to save the world but the auto industry. At best, they're the answer to "how the richest among us travel without resorting to public transit or carpooling for a bit longer." As mentioned above, the development of batteries also taps finite resources (with human rights issues that make the oil industry look like summer camp). And the best part:

    Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns


    https://safety21.cmu.edu/2024/03/06/electric-cars-release-more-toxic-emissions-than-gas-powered-vehicles-and-are-worse-for-the-environment-resurfaced-study-warns/

    I'm reminded of an exchange on another (sports-related of all things) board I was on asking people if they preferred cities or suburbs. One response was "Suburbs all the way."  Among his reasons was "don't want to be a slave to the bus driver. He later mentioned that his commute was 30 to 60 minutes, depending on traffic. I guess we're all a slave to something...
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,331
    mickeyrat said:
    More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.


    solar on existing structures and added to new builds. Solar embedded glass. Solar carport situations in office parking lots(more comfortable getting in your car in the summer to boot.)

    other innovative ways to utilize the energy from the sun....
    but solar still requires the batteries...it seems like that is the problem for the future
    then you look to recycling those as much as possible. but really feed as much real time solar into the grid, reducing coal/nat gas until its really needed.

    meantime, fund research of other harm reduced means of power.....

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,148
    I was reading that there is about 47 years of oil left for us at current usage levels....odd to think in those terms
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    I was reading that there is about 47 years of oil left for us at current usage levels....odd to think in those terms
    I didn't know they had accurate estimates on how much was left. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,148
    I was reading that there is about 47 years of oil left for us at current usage levels....odd to think in those terms
    I didn't know they had accurate estimates on how much was left. 
    not sure on accuracy but it's pretty amazing based on the amount we consume
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,499
    OnWis97 said:
    Transportation planning is my field and sometimes I think it's the most failed field in America.

    What we primarily need is a time machine to undo all the hasty ripping out of streetcar tracks and and road building we did in the 1940s-1960s. We put all our eggs in the single-occupant vehicle basket and the results are disastrous. Check out this nice summary why building for all modes is better for all travelers, including drivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k. I'd move to Amsterdam right now if I could.

    Road building is essentially a ponzi scheme and we continue to build every housing development their own interchange ("if you come, they will build it."). We let development drive transportation infrastructure when it should have been the other way around.

    Electric vehicles are not meant to save the world but the auto industry. At best, they're the answer to "how the richest among us travel without resorting to public transit or carpooling for a bit longer." As mentioned above, the development of batteries also taps finite resources (with human rights issues that make the oil industry look like summer camp). And the best part:

    Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns


    https://safety21.cmu.edu/2024/03/06/electric-cars-release-more-toxic-emissions-than-gas-powered-vehicles-and-are-worse-for-the-environment-resurfaced-study-warns/

    I'm reminded of an exchange on another (sports-related of all things) board I was on asking people if they preferred cities or suburbs. One response was "Suburbs all the way."  Among his reasons was "don't want to be a slave to the bus driver. He later mentioned that his commute was 30 to 60 minutes, depending on traffic. I guess we're all a slave to something...
    Great info. Thanks! 
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,396
    Waiting for the EO making it illegal to trade in a Tesla

    Owner of a Golden Tesla Cybertruck Says He Can No Longer Handle the Constant Harasment. He Adds, “I Tried to Trade in the Cybertruck, but Tesla Won’t Accept It”

    https://www.torquenews.com/11826/owner-golden-tesla-cybertruck-says-he-can-no-longer-handle-constant-harasment-he-adds-i-tried
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,065
    More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

    Walkable cities are a must. I haven’t owned a car since I moved to NYC in 1995. Haven’t even missed it. I usually walk to anywhere that is under a 45 minute walk - unless I am in a huge rush. Anything over that I will grab the subway. I wish more cities were like this. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited February 11
    More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

    FIFTEEN MINUTES CITIES YOU SAY?? LEFTIST RADICAL!!!
    As an aside when I first heard 15-minute cities were a plot to force everyone into some weird "libruhl" lifestyle, my recognition that we're truly screwed by the knee-jerk ideologies of the loudest was complete.

    Now we really can't have freedom if we don't spend copious amounts of time in our cars? I'm an incredibly cynical guy and I'd never have been able to conjure up this narrative.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,870
    DE4173 said:
    People debate whether or not Die Hard is a Christmas movie.

    No one talks of Singles being a public transit movie.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    OnWis97 said:
    More walkable cities would be great. that combined with current rail and public transport are probably the best solutions (re doing US rail is probably unworkable at this point). But people aren't gonna give up their cars and electric and its baggage is probably the least bad tradeoff to oil.

    FIFTEEN MINUTES CITIES YOU SAY?? LEFTIST RADICAL!!!
    As an aside when I first heard 15-minute cities were a plot to force everyone into some weird "libruhl" lifestyle, my recognition that we're truly screwed by the knee-jerk ideologies of the loudest was complete.

    Now we really can't have freedom if we don't spend copious amounts of time in our cars? I'm an incredibly cynical guy and I'd never have been able to conjure up this narrative.
    If uh I have no need for muh truck/tank, I aint trooly free! 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,331

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  • mickeyrat
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    mickeyrat said:

    Calling a dick a dick? You don’t say?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,148


    LOL
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,550


    LOL
    Raking in the $$$$ but let’s cut out food stamps for the poor! What a sick country we are 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    so essentially musk paid trump $10m for a job
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,331
    edited February 13
    so essentially musk paid trump $10m for a job

    10 million in fucksticks pocket and 290 million to elect fuckstick  for his own benefit.  all the firings are in depts that had a handin investigations into his business dealings with the government.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,331

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14