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  • PJ_Soul said:
    He really does seem dumb (Trump, not Avenatti). And I don't think it was reasonable at all that he was able to slither into the White House. It's absolutely appalling that America let that happen.
    It’s prob about time that you come to terms with the fact that Trump happened.  But either way, Avenatti is pretty dumb, too,  I told you ao when you liked him months ago, even after he failed to pay penalties in a case where he was found guilty. Then he repped a porn star whose case was thrown out. Then he got charged with extortion. Sleazebag puts it kinda  mildly.
    He and Trump could tour the country together.
    Lol for real, and I’m sure Trump would suddenly be his best friend too.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    edited March 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    He really does seem dumb (Trump, not Avenatti). And I don't think it was reasonable at all that he was able to slither into the White House. It's absolutely appalling that America let that happen.
    It’s prob about time that you come to terms with the fact that Trump happened.  But either way, Avenatti is pretty dumb, too,  I told you ao when you liked him months ago, even after he failed to pay penalties in a case where he was found guilty. Then he repped a porn star whose case was thrown out. Then he got charged with extortion. Sleazebag puts it kinda  mildly.
    :lol: I still like Avenatti as a TV personality. I didn't think he was on the up and up then either - he'd already been outed as a scammer. He is a well spoken, entertaining media guy though. If he's on a late night talk show, I'm going to watch it. Though I have no clue why he or anyone shouldn't represent a porn star. They deserve counsil just as much as anyone else. Especially ones who a President lied about paying off. And no, Avenatti is not dumb. I am surprised about the extortion though. He must have just gotten to big for his britches... and he doesn't have the protection that Trump does.
    BTW, how can someone speak for Trump and against Avenatti like that? It makes no sense. Do you like sleazebags or not? Make up your mind.
    Obviously I have come to terms with the fact that Trump happened, as I am not delusional like he is. I will NEVER come to terms with the fact that America actually saw fit to elect Trump (through a fucked up, gerrymandered electoral system). I guess I just have higher expectations of your country than you do. The day I come to terms with that is the day I decide America is 100% hopeless and ought to disband as a nation. Shame on anyone who ever comes to terms with this.

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  • PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He really does seem dumb (Trump, not Avenatti). And I don't think it was reasonable at all that he was able to slither into the White House. It's absolutely appalling that America let that happen.
    It’s prob about time that you come to terms with the fact that Trump happened.  But either way, Avenatti is pretty dumb, too,  I told you ao when you liked him months ago, even after he failed to pay penalties in a case where he was found guilty. Then he repped a porn star whose case was thrown out. Then he got charged with extortion. Sleazebag puts it kinda  mildly.
    :lol: I still like Avenatti as a TV personality. I didn't think he was on the up and up then either - he'd already been outed as a scammer. He is a well spoken, entertaining media guy though. If he's on a late night talk show, I'm going to watch it. Though I have no clue why he or anyone shouldn't represent a porn star. They deserve counsil just as much as anyone else. Especially ones who a President lied about paying off. And no, Avenatti is not dumb. I am surprised about the extortion though. He must have just gotten to big for his britches... and he doesn't have the protection that Trump does.
    BTW, how can someone speak for Trump and against Avenatti like that? It makes no sense. Do you like sleazebags or not? Make up your mind.
    Obviously I have come to terms with the fact that Trump happened, as I am not delusional like he is. I will NEVER come to terms with the fact that America actually saw fit to elect Trump (through a fucked up, gerrymandered electoral system). I guess I just have higher expectations of your country than you do. The day I come to terms with that is the day I decide America is 100% hopeless and ought to disband as a nation. Shame on anyone who ever comes to terms with this.

    Thanks for the lecture.  Sorry you’re so mad about something, I hope things get better for you soon.
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  • PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He really does seem dumb (Trump, not Avenatti). And I don't think it was reasonable at all that he was able to slither into the White House. It's absolutely appalling that America let that happen.
    It’s prob about time that you come to terms with the fact that Trump happened.  But either way, Avenatti is pretty dumb, too,  I told you ao when you liked him months ago, even after he failed to pay penalties in a case where he was found guilty. Then he repped a porn star whose case was thrown out. Then he got charged with extortion. Sleazebag puts it kinda  mildly.
    :lol: I still like Avenatti as a TV personality. I didn't think he was on the up and up then either - he'd already been outed as a scammer. He is a well spoken, entertaining media guy though. If he's on a late night talk show, I'm going to watch it. Though I have no clue why he or anyone shouldn't represent a porn star. They deserve counsil just as much as anyone else. Especially ones who a President lied about paying off. And no, Avenatti is not dumb. I am surprised about the extortion though. He must have just gotten to big for his britches... and he doesn't have the protection that Trump does.
    BTW, how can someone speak for Trump and against Avenatti like that? It makes no sense. Do you like sleazebags or not? Make up your mind.
    Obviously I have come to terms with the fact that Trump happened, as I am not delusional like he is. I will NEVER come to terms with the fact that America actually saw fit to elect Trump (through a fucked up, gerrymandered electoral system). I guess I just have higher expectations of your country than you do. The day I come to terms with that is the day I decide America is 100% hopeless and ought to disband as a nation. Shame on anyone who ever comes to terms with this.

    Thanks for the lecture.  Sorry you’re so mad about something, I hope things get better for you soon.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,758
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He really does seem dumb (Trump, not Avenatti). And I don't think it was reasonable at all that he was able to slither into the White House. It's absolutely appalling that America let that happen.
    It’s prob about time that you come to terms with the fact that Trump happened.  But either way, Avenatti is pretty dumb, too,  I told you ao when you liked him months ago, even after he failed to pay penalties in a case where he was found guilty. Then he repped a porn star whose case was thrown out. Then he got charged with extortion. Sleazebag puts it kinda  mildly.
    :lol: I still like Avenatti as a TV personality. I didn't think he was on the up and up then either - he'd already been outed as a scammer. He is a well spoken, entertaining media guy though. If he's on a late night talk show, I'm going to watch it. Though I have no clue why he or anyone shouldn't represent a porn star. They deserve counsil just as much as anyone else. Especially ones who a President lied about paying off. And no, Avenatti is not dumb. I am surprised about the extortion though. He must have just gotten to big for his britches... and he doesn't have the protection that Trump does.
    BTW, how can someone speak for Trump and against Avenatti like that? It makes no sense. Do you like sleazebags or not? Make up your mind.
    Obviously I have come to terms with the fact that Trump happened, as I am not delusional like he is. I will NEVER come to terms with the fact that America actually saw fit to elect Trump (through a fucked up, gerrymandered electoral system). I guess I just have higher expectations of your country than you do. The day I come to terms with that is the day I decide America is 100% hopeless and ought to disband as a nation. Shame on anyone who ever comes to terms with this.

    Thanks for the lecture.  Sorry you’re so mad about something, I hope things get better for you soon.
    when you've got nothing to come back with, leave a comment feigning pity for the person and how "angry" or "sad" they seem. 

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    Michael Avenatti embezzled millions from paraplegic client's settlement, new 36-count indictment alleges


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michael-avenatti-faces-36-count-indictment-california-n993391?icid=recommended
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    dignin said:

    Michael Avenatti embezzled millions from paraplegic client's settlement, new 36-count indictment alleges


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michael-avenatti-faces-36-count-indictment-california-n993391?icid=recommended
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    edited April 2019
    Yikes. The dude doesn't fucking have any boundaries apparently. Like I said before, too big for his britches. He's like all those others - not stupid or anything; they get caught up in a strange mindset, where the more they get away with, the more they think they can get away with. I understand how that makes sense, but really it's completely illogical and goes against the law of averages. All people who repeatedly do terrible things are like this though, it seems (Trump included - so far so good for him, but hopefully not for long!).
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Avenatti arrested in court today lol
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,237
    CM189191 said:
    Avenatti arrested in court today lol
    Wasn't he arrested last night?
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    Avenatti arrested in court today lol
    Wasn't he arrested last night?
    yes i wrote that yesterday
  • man that guy is a wreck. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,237
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Avenatti arrested in court today lol
    Wasn't he arrested last night?
    yes i wrote that yesterday
    but it just posted 4 hours ago....you forgot to hit "post"?  :)
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,237
    man that guy is a wreck. 
    Seems like a smart guy.  I'm guessing he's 50% sleaze and 50% victim of political power
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Avenatti arrested in court today lol
    Wasn't he arrested last night?
    yes i wrote that yesterday
    but it just posted 4 hours ago....you forgot to hit "post"?  :)
    ...you see...the internet is like a series of tubes...
  • no that dude is 100% sleaze. he is the epitomy of why people do not like lawyers.

    to think there were democrats wanting him to run for president. could you imagine that shit show of a campaign??

    :lol:
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,633
    CM189191 said:
    Avenatti arrested in court today lol
    Wasn't he arrested last night?

    So in other words qualified to be president 
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Micheal Avenatti was a light in very dark times. It’s unfortunate that like some lawyers and politicians he is a crook. 

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  • Found Guilty.

    The dream of President Avenatti is dead.

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  • Found Guilty.

    The dream of President Avenatti is dead.

    https://youtu.be/Dt-LWd8ITm0
    Not anymore....
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  • he will do more time than roger stone.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,141
    he will do more time than roger stone.
    Which might not be saying much, depending on the sentence issued. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,548
    benjs said:
    he will do more time than roger stone.
    Which might not be saying much, depending on the sentence issued. 
    avanatti has the potential for 40 years I think the one article said.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    he will do more time than roger stone.
    Which might not be saying much, depending on the sentence issued. 
    avanatti has the potential for 40 years I think the one article said.
    well if he does a day he will serve more time than roger stone.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,548
     
    Avenatti sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for extortion
    By LARRY NEUMEISTER
    21 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — Michael Avenatti, the brash California lawyer who once represented Stormy Daniels in lawsuits against President Donald Trump, was sentenced Thursday to 2 1/2 years in prison for trying to extort up to $25 million from Nike by threatening the company with bad publicity.

    Avenatti, 50, was convicted last year of charges including attempted extortion and honest services fraud in connection with his representation of a Los Angeles youth basketball league organizer who was upset that Nike had ended its league sponsorship.

    U.S. District Judge Paul G. Gardephe called Avenatti’s conduct “outrageous,” saying he "hijacked his client’s claims, and he used those claims to further his own agenda, which was to extort millions of dollars from Nike for himself.”

    Avenatti, the judge added, "had become drunk on the power of his platform, or what he perceived the power of his platform to be. He had become someone who operated as if the laws and the rules that applied to everyone else didn’t apply to him.”

    Before the judge spoke, Avenatti delivered emotional remarks, sometimes through tears.

    “Your honor, I’ve learned that all the fame, notoriety and money in the world is meaningless. TV and Twitter, your honor, mean nothing,” he said.

    He ended his statement by saying what he expects of his three children, including two teenage daughters who wrote letters to the judge.

    “Every father wants their children to be proud of them. I want mine to be ashamed. Because if they are ashamed, it means their moral compass is exactly where it should be,” he said.

    Criminal fraud charges on two coasts disrupted Avenatti's rapid ascent to fame. He also faces the start of a fraud trial next week in the Los Angeles area, a second California criminal trial later this year and a separate trial next year in Manhattan, where he is charged with cheating Daniels out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    Avenatti represented Daniels in 2018 in lawsuits against Trump, appearing often on cable news programs to disparage the Republican president. Avenatti explored running against Trump in 2020, boasting that he would “have no problem raising money.” Daniels said a tryst with Trump a decade earlier resulted in her being paid $130,000 by Trump's personal lawyer in 2016 to stay silent. Trump denied the affair.

    Those political aspirations evaporated when prosecutors in California and New York charged Avenatti with fraud in March 2019. California prosecutors said he was enjoying a $200,000-a-month lifestyle while cheating clients out of millions of dollars and failing to pay hundreds of thousands to the Internal Revenue Service.

    Charges alleging he cheated Daniels out of proceeds from a book deal followed weeks later. Avenatti pleaded not guilty to all charges.

    Prosecutors requested a “very substantial” sentence, citing the U.S. Probation Department’s recommendation of an eight-year prison term. Avenatti’s lawyers said six months in prison and a year of home detention was enough punishment.

    On Tuesday, the judge rejected a request by Avenatti's lawyers to toss out his conviction in the Nike case on attempted extortion and honest services wire fraud charges. The judge wrote that evidence showed that Avenatti “devised an approach to Nike that was designed to enrich himself” rather than address his client's objectives.

    In written sentencing arguments, prosecutors said Avenatti tried to enrich himself by “weaponizing his public profile” to try to force Nike to submit to his demands.

    In a victim-impact statement, Nike's lawyers said Avenatti did considerable harm to the company by falsely trying to link it to a scandal in which bribes were paid to the families of NBA-bound college basketball players to steer them to powerhouse programs. An employee of Adidas, a Nike competitor, was convicted in that prosecution.

    The lawyers said Avenatti threatened to do billions of dollars of damage to Nike and then falsely tweeted that criminal conduct at Nike reached the “highest levels.”

    Avenatti's former client, Gary Franklin Jr., said in a statement submitted by prosecutors that Avenatti's action had “devastated me financially, professionally, and emotionally.” Franklin was expected in court Thursday.

    In their presentence submission, Avenatti's lawyers said their client had suffered enough, citing enormous public shame and a difficult stint in jail last year that ended after lawyers said he was particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus.

    “Avenatti’s epic fall and public shaming has played out in front of the entire world. The Court may take judicial notice of this fact, as Avenatti’s cataclysmic fall has been well-documented," the lawyers wrote.

    Although prosecutors asked Gardephe to impose a $1 million restitution order to help cover Nike's legal expenses, Avenatti's attorneys cited the lack of financial losses as a reason for leniency.

    “There was no financial loss to any victims so there is no restitution in this case,” they wrote. “The fact that a white collar federal criminal case was brought despite this fact is itself an important mitigating factor.”


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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,237
    Really stupid...he is lucky they didn't hit him harder
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,133
    He really let his 15 minutes go to his head.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,548


    Michael Avenatti convicted of stealing from Stormy Daniels
    By TOM HAYS and LARRY NEUMEISTER
    4 Feb 2022

    NEW YORK (AP) — Michael Avenatti was convicted Friday of cheating porn actor Stormy Daniels out of nearly $300,000 she was supposed to get for writing a book about an alleged tryst with former President Donald Trump.

    Avenatti, who acted as his own lawyer, stared straight ahead as the guilty verdicts on wire fraud and aggravated identity theft were returned.

    Just a few hours earlier, a mistrial had appeared possible when the jury foreperson complained that a juror was acting on “emotions” rather than evidence.

    It was another defeat for the California lawyer, who has faced legal problems after briefly rising to fame as one of Trump’s leading antagonists on cable news.

    “I’m very disappointed in the jury’s verdict,” Avenatti told reporters outside the federal courtroom in New York. “I’m looking forward to a full adjudication of all the issues on appeal.”


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  • mickeyrat said:


    Michael Avenatti convicted of stealing from Stormy Daniels
    By TOM HAYS and LARRY NEUMEISTER
    4 Feb 2022

    NEW YORK (AP) — Michael Avenatti was convicted Friday of cheating porn actor Stormy Daniels out of nearly $300,000 she was supposed to get for writing a book about an alleged tryst with former President Donald Trump.

    Avenatti, who acted as his own lawyer, stared straight ahead as the guilty verdicts on wire fraud and aggravated identity theft were returned.

    Just a few hours earlier, a mistrial had appeared possible when the jury foreperson complained that a juror was acting on “emotions” rather than evidence.

    It was another defeat for the California lawyer, who has faced legal problems after briefly rising to fame as one of Trump’s leading antagonists on cable news.

    “I’m very disappointed in the jury’s verdict,” Avenatti told reporters outside the federal courtroom in New York. “I’m looking forward to a full adjudication of all the issues on appeal.”


    continues...


    i think the dems should nominate him for president.

    you know, because we have to compete with the gop and trump.
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