Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
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No kidding. She won by losing jobs. Good work.mrussel1 said:
How about all of the 50 to 100k dollar jobs that Amazon will create along with all the small businesses in the area? You need solid jobs available to pull people out of generational poverty. Welfare isn't the long term answer.Halifax2TheMax said:
Which citizens of NYC? The Bloombergs, Trumps and Giulianis or the first generation bodega owners just getting by with their rented space?mrussel1 said:
It hurts thre citizens of NYC. That's always been the argument. It's not all about her.Halifax2TheMax said:
I will say she's been quiet lately, hopefully working hard to effectuate change outside of the Twitterverse.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.
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brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!0
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“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!0 -
I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon. However, this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon. The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence. Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there.brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.0 -
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.mrussel1 said:
I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon. However, this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon. The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence. Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there.brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.
Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc.
Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever.benjs said:
As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.mrussel1 said:
I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon. However, this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon. The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence. Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there.brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.
Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc.
Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!0 -
mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?That is the one that makes no sense. Maybe you got the replies mixed up.Are you drunk? is valid
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I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments. The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable. 10% of something is better than 20% of nothing, in case you didn't know.Smellyman said:mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?That is the one that makes no sense. Maybe you got the replies mixed up.Are you drunk? is valid0 -
Depends on your zip code.mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Depends on who gets the “something” and who gets the “nothing.” Jeff fucking Bezos don’t need “something” from the “nothings.” In case you didn’t know.mrussel1 said:
I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments. The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable. 10% of something is better than 20% of nothing, in case you didn't know.Smellyman said:mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?That is the one that makes no sense. Maybe you got the replies mixed up.Are you drunk? is valid09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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That's empirically wrong. The underclass today is better than 150 years ago. And there's fewer of them.Halifax2TheMax said:
Depends on your zip code.mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!0 -
Makes no sense as an argument. You think Jeff loses because the HQ doesn't go to NY? Hardly. It's the middle and lower class that lose.Halifax2TheMax said:
Depends on who gets the “something” and who gets the “nothing.” Jeff fucking Bezos don’t need “something” from the “nothings.” In case you didn’t know.mrussel1 said:
I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments. The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable. 10% of something is better than 20% of nothing, in case you didn't know.Smellyman said:mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?That is the one that makes no sense. Maybe you got the replies mixed up.Are you drunk? is valid0 -
So you think you have fewer choices today to online shop than 10 years ago? Amazon has driven down prices and forced other companies to become more efficient. There's an argument that Amazon has been bad for other retailers, but zero evidence that it's bad for consumers.HughFreakingDillon said:
the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever.benjs said:
As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.mrussel1 said:
I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon. However, this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon. The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence. Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there.brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.
Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc.
Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.0 -
not yet. but if people don't want to shop amazon, soon they won't have a choice. amazon simply won't stock "everything", so when they put everyone else out of business, if there's a product they don't carry, you're SOL.mrussel1 said:
So you think you have fewer choices today to online shop than 10 years ago? Amazon has driven down prices and forced other companies to become more efficient. There's an argument that Amazon has been bad for other retailers, but zero evidence that it's bad for consumers.HughFreakingDillon said:
the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever.benjs said:
As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.mrussel1 said:
I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon. However, this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon. The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence. Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there.brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.
Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc.
Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
I personally love amazon. great prices, ridiculously fast and cheap shipping, etc. But I don't necessarily think that in the long run it will be a good thing.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
We have anti trust laws to deal with that here. But imo, we're nowhere near that area yet.HughFreakingDillon said:
not yet. but if people don't want to shop amazon, soon they won't have a choice. amazon simply won't stock "everything", so when they put everyone else out of business, if there's a product they don't carry, you're SOL.mrussel1 said:
So you think you have fewer choices today to online shop than 10 years ago? Amazon has driven down prices and forced other companies to become more efficient. There's an argument that Amazon has been bad for other retailers, but zero evidence that it's bad for consumers.HughFreakingDillon said:
the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever.benjs said:
As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.mrussel1 said:
I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon. However, this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon. The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence. Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there.brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.
Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc.
Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
I personally love amazon. great prices, ridiculously fast and cheap shipping, etc. But I don't necessarily think that in the long run it will be a good thing.0 -
You think AOC’s constituents “win” in an Amazon deal? Hardly. They lose the most.mrussel1 said:
Makes no sense as an argument. You think Jeff loses because the HQ doesn't go to NY? Hardly. It's the middle and lower class that lose.Halifax2TheMax said:
Depends on who gets the “something” and who gets the “nothing.” Jeff fucking Bezos don’t need “something” from the “nothings.” In case you didn’t know.mrussel1 said:
I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments. The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable. 10% of something is better than 20% of nothing, in case you didn't know.Smellyman said:mrussel1 said:
That's not a valid reply. Do you think standard of living is better or worse?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you drunk?mrussel1 said:
Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?Halifax2TheMax said:
“Let them eat crumbs.”Smellyman said:brianlux said:I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well. I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses.and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.They just get priced out.But progress! corporate welfare to the billionaires!Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years, is that correct?That is the one that makes no sense. Maybe you got the replies mixed up.Are you drunk? is valid09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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