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  • SP145555 said:
    Too many covers? London bootleg arrived today, 3 covers in a 3 hour set, 30+ songs. I am more than happy with that ratio. Being a metal head, I have seen bands like Marilyn Manson play a 45 minute set at festivals and still put 2 or 3 covers in. Now thats inexcusable.
    Some of MMs biggest hits are covers though. So that changes the nature of it a bit.
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  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,398
    Not an unpopular opinion, but I thought this thread would be way more contentious by page 5.
    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • SP145555SP145555 CardiffPosts: 35
    SP145555 said:
    Too many covers? London bootleg arrived today, 3 covers in a 3 hour set, 30+ songs. I am more than happy with that ratio. Being a metal head, I have seen bands like Marilyn Manson play a 45 minute set at festivals and still put 2 or 3 covers in. Now thats inexcusable.
    Some of MMs biggest hits are covers though. So that changes the nature of it a bit.
    I know but that to me shows a weak set list. Same as Metallica, last time I saw them around 10 years ago they were still playing songs Dave Mustaine wrote live. 

  • GibsonGibson TorontoPosts: 1,713
    Corduroy isn't that great. In fact, It's my pee song.
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 5,492
    -Backspacer is a top 5 album. 
    -The Fixer is a top 20 song in the PJ catalog

  • dannydanny Posts: 2,067
    could do with out yellow ledbetter  elderly woman why go porch betterman they just need a break
    could do with out extra bits on songs at the end
    could do with less covers 2 max per show
    and more of 
    marker in the sand
    out of my mind 
    getaway
    my fathers son
    future days
    gonna see my friend
    force of nature 
    worldwide suicide etc
    AND A NEW ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    danny d
  • dannydanny Posts: 2,067
    AND HAVING MORE ITEMS IN UK SHOP
    0
    danny d
  • BasilgBasilg Killingworth, CT Posts: 24
    You may not like his persona, arrogance, or politics, but to say Bono sucks is ignorant. Seen U2 live many times since 1985 and although now their age shows 100x more than PJ's, U2's catalog, music, lyrics and most definitely live shows were epic. From the stripped down stage and sound of The Unforgettable Fire tour to ZOO TV; which was, for its time, absolutely mind-blowing, they made their shows events. Thought Ed's nod to Bono was pure class.  How do you shit on a person who has literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS treatment, 3rd world hunger and disease?  Thought PJ fans had compassion for other humans.  Seems like after the Apple debacle, shitting on U2 became this cool trend. 

    At the top of their game, being one of 10k fans singing '40' in the streets an hour after the house lights went on/stopping traffic moved you... sent chills thru your core.    

    If you think this sucks, well..I just don't think you have an open mind to music in general.
     


  • riley540riley540 Bellingham WAPosts: 914
    Nirvana kinda sucks

    audioslave over soundgarden 

    fatal is boring live 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 20,049
    I never got the love for fatal or otherside.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • KC138045KC138045 Columbus, OHPosts: 2,669
    The recent PJ side projects kinda suck.  RNDM, Jeff and Matt solo, Tres Mtn
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  • KidAOKKidAOK Posts: 41
    I don't like requests for songs live in relation to someone sick or dead.  "Please play ... For ..."

    There could potentially be thousands at a show going through something, some form of grief. I know people grieve and find comfort in different ways but requests just makes me uncomfortable.
  • frisbiecfrisbiec Seattle, WAPosts: 106
    edited October 2018
    Stickers, patches, dad hats, zippos, koozies, all apparel, dog collars, bags, trading cards, etc are lame, but posters are cool . . . pretty much all merch is lame, except posters . . . 

    I'd probably be on board with Funko Pops of the band though or offical Lego or OYO minifigures
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 15,037
    MedozK said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Using any of the following phrases is really really lame:
    1. Uncle Neil (you aren’t in the band and he isn’t your uncle.)
    2. Jamily 
    3. It doesn’t get “Eddie Vedder” than this. (No, no and no.)
    May I add one...it's a Benaroya Hall  .... not a Benny!!!
    I'll add to this as well:
    It's EBAY.  Not "the bay."  Not "the auction site."  Not "that site that can't be named."  It has never been against the rules to type the word "ebay" when referring to ebay.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 20,049
    MedozK said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Using any of the following phrases is really really lame:
    1. Uncle Neil (you aren’t in the band and he isn’t your uncle.)
    2. Jamily 
    3. It doesn’t get “Eddie Vedder” than this. (No, no and no.)
    May I add one...it's a Benaroya Hall  .... not a Benny!!!
    I'll add to this as well:
    It's EBAY.  Not "the bay."  Not "the auction site."  Not "that site that can't be named."  It has never been against the rules to type the word "ebay" when referring to ebay.
    It doesnt get Eddie Vedder than picking up a  cheap Benny in lost dogs and not on the bay!  God I love the Jamily!!!  Too bad Uncle Neil didn’t play that night
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,610
    Most has already been said, but...
    I love the hits. Betterman is a fun song.
    Would much rather hear Betterman or EVenflow that than some weird obscure song just to cross it off my list. Most of Lost Dogs I don't like with a few exceptions.
    Will never get tired of Y-Led. In fact it is my favorite PJ song.
    Why is eBay evil? There is nothing wrong with selling items on eBay, why should someone not get top dollar? (items recently purchased may be different, I understand the frustration seeing items just sold being flipped a day later, but everything else is fair game).
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 11,959
    mcgruff10 said:
    MedozK said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Using any of the following phrases is really really lame:
    1. Uncle Neil (you aren’t in the band and he isn’t your uncle.)
    2. Jamily 
    3. It doesn’t get “Eddie Vedder” than this. (No, no and no.)
    May I add one...it's a Benaroya Hall  .... not a Benny!!!
    I'll add to this as well:
    It's EBAY.  Not "the bay."  Not "the auction site."  Not "that site that can't be named."  It has never been against the rules to type the word "ebay" when referring to ebay.
    It doesnt get Eddie Vedder than picking up a  cheap Benny in lost dogs and not on the bay!  God I love the Jamily!!!  Too bad Uncle Neil didn’t play that night

    Well done. 
  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,398
    mcgruff10 said:
    MedozK said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Using any of the following phrases is really really lame:
    1. Uncle Neil (you aren’t in the band and he isn’t your uncle.)
    2. Jamily 
    3. It doesn’t get “Eddie Vedder” than this. (No, no and no.)
    May I add one...it's a Benaroya Hall  .... not a Benny!!!
    I'll add to this as well:
    It's EBAY.  Not "the bay."  Not "the auction site."  Not "that site that can't be named."  It has never been against the rules to type the word "ebay" when referring to ebay.
    It doesnt get Eddie Vedder than picking up a  cheap Benny in lost dogs and not on the bay!  God I love the Jamily!!!  Too bad Uncle Neil didn’t play that night
    Can you get Bono to croon that though?
    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 11,959
    mace1229 said:
    Most has already been said, but...
    I love the hits. Betterman is a fun song.
    Would much rather hear Betterman or EVenflow that than some weird obscure song just to cross it off my list. Most of Lost Dogs I don't like with a few exceptions.
    Will never get tired of Y-Led. In fact it is my favorite PJ song.
    Why is eBay evil? There is nothing wrong with selling items on eBay, why should someone not get top dollar? (items recently purchased may be different, I understand the frustration seeing items just sold being flipped a day later, but everything else is fair game).
    Get in line earlier if you want to pay original price.  Buy an airplane ticket and fly to Buenos Aires if you wanted to pay $2 for the show sticker instead of $10.  Ebay is fine.
  • ZodZod Posts: 6,221
    The whole concept of a "Rock n Roll Hall of Fame" is pathetically lame and whether somone is 'in it or not means nothing to me whatsoever. I'm embarrassed for them that Pearl Jam agreed to it. The only thing that could match that for commercialised, kitsch, embarrassing lameness would be a Super Bowl halftime show, so please don't ever do that Pearl Jam.
    I thought it would of been amazing if they stuck up for Dave A. and boycotted their own induction as a result :)
  • mcgruff10 said:
    I never got the love for fatal or otherside.
    Oh, it's not a love for the actual songs, but more about that weird checklist people who tour with the band are all about.
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  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,398
    Basilg said:
    You may not like his persona, arrogance, or politics, but to say Bono sucks is ignorant. Seen U2 live many times since 1985 and although now their age shows 100x more than PJ's, U2's catalog, music, lyrics and most definitely live shows were epic. From the stripped down stage and sound of The Unforgettable Fire tour to ZOO TV; which was, for its time, absolutely mind-blowing, they made their shows events. Thought Ed's nod to Bono was pure class.  How do you shit on a person who has literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS treatment, 3rd world hunger and disease?  Thought PJ fans had compassion for other humans.  Seems like after the Apple debacle, shitting on U2 became this cool trend. 

    At the top of their game, being one of 10k fans singing '40' in the streets an hour after the house lights went on/stopping traffic moved you... sent chills thru your core.    

    If you think this sucks, well..I just don't think you have an open mind to music in general.
     


    So you are actually saying if people dislike Bono or U2 they don't have compassion for other humans?  That is pretty intense leap.

    I like U2's music.  I respect Bono's charitable works.

    I also find him to be an insufferable megalomaniac.  These things can happen simultaneously. 
    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 5,492
    Greatest hits show >>>> sloppy show trying to remember chords and lyrics to rare songs

    ive seen a lot of shows that would satisfy setlist checklist people but i still rank something like 4/28/03 Spectrum over all of them.  
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,610
    mace1229 said:
    Most has already been said, but...
    I love the hits. Betterman is a fun song.
    Would much rather hear Betterman or EVenflow that than some weird obscure song just to cross it off my list. Most of Lost Dogs I don't like with a few exceptions.
    Will never get tired of Y-Led. In fact it is my favorite PJ song.
    Why is eBay evil? There is nothing wrong with selling items on eBay, why should someone not get top dollar? (items recently purchased may be different, I understand the frustration seeing items just sold being flipped a day later, but everything else is fair game).
    Get in line earlier if you want to pay original price.  Buy an airplane ticket and fly to Buenos Aires if you wanted to pay $2 for the show sticker instead of $10.  Ebay is fine.
    I agree. I don't have a problem with that. I guess I was thinking items sold through 10c listed as "not for resale" then are listed on ebay before it even ships are annoying, everything else is fair game.
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 5,026
    mcgruff10 said:
    I never got the love for fatal or otherside.
    Oh, it's not a love for the actual songs, but more about that weird checklist people who tour with the band are all about.
    Disagree. I have heard Otherside twice already and would love to hear it again at my next show. I know plenty of others feel the same with me. Same with Fatal. Heard it once already and would love to hear it again. 
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  • KidAOKKidAOK Posts: 41
    PB11041 said:
    Basilg said:
    You may not like his persona, arrogance, or politics, but to say Bono sucks is ignorant. Seen U2 live many times since 1985 and although now their age shows 100x more than PJ's, U2's catalog, music, lyrics and most definitely live shows were epic. From the stripped down stage and sound of The Unforgettable Fire tour to ZOO TV; which was, for its time, absolutely mind-blowing, they made their shows events. Thought Ed's nod to Bono was pure class.  How do you shit on a person who has literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS treatment, 3rd world hunger and disease?  Thought PJ fans had compassion for other humans.  Seems like after the Apple debacle, shitting on U2 became this cool trend. 

    At the top of their game, being one of 10k fans singing '40' in the streets an hour after the house lights went on/stopping traffic moved you... sent chills thru your core.    

    If you think this sucks, well..I just don't think you have an open mind to music in general.
     


    So you are actually saying if people dislike Bono or U2 they don't have compassion for other humans?  That is pretty intense leap.

    I like U2's music.  I respect Bono's charitable works.

    I also find him to be an insufferable megalomaniac.  These things can happen simultaneously. 
    "He has literally raised millions".

    The truth is he has gave hardly any of his fortune to charity, he has asked working class people to reach into their pockets instead when they can ill afford to in today's climate.  He has become an even wealthier man due to his "humanitarian" efforts.  The band moved all €400million of their earnings out of Ireland to avoid paying tax too, and while I can't fault him for playing the system he has a cheek asking people to help the less fortunate when he's moving money around to avoid doing it himself.

    Fuck Bono, santamonious cunt.
  • jjflashjjflash Posts: 3,877
    - Despite enjoying, via PJ Radio, live PJ shows and random live tunes I very rarely/almost never listen to PJ bootlegs via digital/CD/vinyl formats
    - I'm stingy with revisiting the old albums (which at 5+ years since LB they're all old albums IMO) so as not to wear the treads off the tires
    - Johnny Guitar rocks as does Lightning Bolt (album) :rock_on:
    - Force of Nature is on my list of least favorite PJ tunes (there's not actually a list but if there was it'd be a short one and also include Evacuation :lol:)
    - Ames Bros' '18 Lisbon poster is badass
    - Proper shows in Nashville, Atlanta, and New Orleans are a decade+ overdue. Oh, wait, wrong thread :blush:

  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,848
    KidAOK said:
    PB11041 said:
    Basilg said:
    You may not like his persona, arrogance, or politics, but to say Bono sucks is ignorant. Seen U2 live many times since 1985 and although now their age shows 100x more than PJ's, U2's catalog, music, lyrics and most definitely live shows were epic. From the stripped down stage and sound of The Unforgettable Fire tour to ZOO TV; which was, for its time, absolutely mind-blowing, they made their shows events. Thought Ed's nod to Bono was pure class.  How do you shit on a person who has literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS treatment, 3rd world hunger and disease?  Thought PJ fans had compassion for other humans.  Seems like after the Apple debacle, shitting on U2 became this cool trend. 

    At the top of their game, being one of 10k fans singing '40' in the streets an hour after the house lights went on/stopping traffic moved you... sent chills thru your core.    

    If you think this sucks, well..I just don't think you have an open mind to music in general.
     


    So you are actually saying if people dislike Bono or U2 they don't have compassion for other humans?  That is pretty intense leap.

    I like U2's music.  I respect Bono's charitable works.

    I also find him to be an insufferable megalomaniac.  These things can happen simultaneously. 
    "He has literally raised millions".

    The truth is he has gave hardly any of his fortune to charity, he has asked working class people to reach into their pockets instead when they can ill afford to in today's climate.  He has become an even wealthier man due to his "humanitarian" efforts.  The band moved all €400million of their earnings out of Ireland to avoid paying tax too, and while I can't fault him for playing the system he has a cheek asking people to help the less fortunate when he's moving money around to avoid doing it himself.

    Fuck Bono, santamonious cunt.

    so true. U2 are tax dodgers. I have lost all personal respect for them. I only listen to Achtung Baby now. I can't quit that record

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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UKPosts: 13,578
    KidAOK said:
    PB11041 said:
    Basilg said:
    You may not like his persona, arrogance, or politics, but to say Bono sucks is ignorant. Seen U2 live many times since 1985 and although now their age shows 100x more than PJ's, U2's catalog, music, lyrics and most definitely live shows were epic. From the stripped down stage and sound of The Unforgettable Fire tour to ZOO TV; which was, for its time, absolutely mind-blowing, they made their shows events. Thought Ed's nod to Bono was pure class.  How do you shit on a person who has literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS treatment, 3rd world hunger and disease?  Thought PJ fans had compassion for other humans.  Seems like after the Apple debacle, shitting on U2 became this cool trend. 

    At the top of their game, being one of 10k fans singing '40' in the streets an hour after the house lights went on/stopping traffic moved you... sent chills thru your core.    

    If you think this sucks, well..I just don't think you have an open mind to music in general.
     


    So you are actually saying if people dislike Bono or U2 they don't have compassion for other humans?  That is pretty intense leap.

    I like U2's music.  I respect Bono's charitable works.

    I also find him to be an insufferable megalomaniac.  These things can happen simultaneously. 
    "He has literally raised millions".

    The truth is he has gave hardly any of his fortune to charity, he has asked working class people to reach into their pockets instead when they can ill afford to in today's climate.  He has become an even wealthier man due to his "humanitarian" efforts.  The band moved all €400million of their earnings out of Ireland to avoid paying tax too, and while I can't fault him for playing the system he has a cheek asking people to help the less fortunate when he's moving money around to avoid doing it himself.

    Fuck Bono, santamonious cunt.
    Hard to argue against this. U2 did make some incredible music though. 

    I do have to wonder if anyone actually knows how much bono has given to charity himself......its always better when a celebrity doesnt publicize their personal charitable donations
  • PB11041PB11041 EarthPosts: 1,398
    KidAOK said:
    PB11041 said:
    Basilg said:
    You may not like his persona, arrogance, or politics, but to say Bono sucks is ignorant. Seen U2 live many times since 1985 and although now their age shows 100x more than PJ's, U2's catalog, music, lyrics and most definitely live shows were epic. From the stripped down stage and sound of The Unforgettable Fire tour to ZOO TV; which was, for its time, absolutely mind-blowing, they made their shows events. Thought Ed's nod to Bono was pure class.  How do you shit on a person who has literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS treatment, 3rd world hunger and disease?  Thought PJ fans had compassion for other humans.  Seems like after the Apple debacle, shitting on U2 became this cool trend. 

    At the top of their game, being one of 10k fans singing '40' in the streets an hour after the house lights went on/stopping traffic moved you... sent chills thru your core.    

    If you think this sucks, well..I just don't think you have an open mind to music in general.
     


    So you are actually saying if people dislike Bono or U2 they don't have compassion for other humans?  That is pretty intense leap.

    I like U2's music.  I respect Bono's charitable works.

    I also find him to be an insufferable megalomaniac.  These things can happen simultaneously. 
    "He has literally raised millions".

    The truth is he has gave hardly any of his fortune to charity, he has asked working class people to reach into their pockets instead when they can ill afford to in today's climate.  He has become an even wealthier man due to his "humanitarian" efforts.  The band moved all €400million of their earnings out of Ireland to avoid paying tax too, and while I can't fault him for playing the system he has a cheek asking people to help the less fortunate when he's moving money around to avoid doing it himself.

    Fuck Bono, santamonious cunt.
    I am not looking at anyone's bank records and I fully understand there were issues about where u2 band members kept their money and all sorts of debatable rationale as to why.  But at the end of the day no one had a gun to their head to donate money on a rock and roll singers behest.  So his shortcomings not withstanding, it is a step too far for me  to say he has not created a net positive for human beings in need.


    His eminence has yet to show. 
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