I guessing you don’t enter the monthly contest right?
You know.... because giving a prize to one person is not really fan friendly.
If you are speaking to me. Those things are not really comparable to me. But to answer your question, I often forget to do it. But will try to better myself and try to remember to enter. When it's not US centric contests. Which it seems to often be. And that is not really fair.
Now I'm gonna listen to Chuck Schumer and after that some Blondie. I bought some satsumas at the store, so will eat one of those too. Best fruit. Yellow and not orange though.
Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
The simple solution? Don't order one.
Not fan-friendly? People ask for a shirt. They give a possible shirt to order. They even give the possibility of a FREE (yes, free) extra orange shirt! What do people do? Bitch about it. Overthink it. It's just a shirt, y'all.
1) Yay, Halloween shirts! Ordering for the family.
2) Boo, ordering process. We're all different sizes, so I had to place multiple orders (can't order an XL and a L at the same time). This made my bank unhappy and caused credit card issues.
Anyway, onward. Looking forward to greeting trick-or-treaters in this shirt.
Yes, placing multiple orders was annoying as hell. It makes absolutely no sense why they couldn't put two shirts in the same damn package. And then paying double shipping charges. grrrrrr. Not only that for my second order (for my husband's shirt) it wouldn't take the same credit card. I had to use a different one. WTH?
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Is there an adult in the room, kicking at the ground, saying "it's not fair"? Chaos, the only thing that's not fair is that Ace and Peter weren't invited to participate in the KISS "End of the Road" tour. Ok, fuck Peter. But get rid of Tommy Thayer and bring back Ace!
"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
You must be a hoot at parties. I had a fear of missing out on some toilet paper, so I bought a large pack that came with bonus rolls. Thank you for paying for my TP!
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"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
The simple solution? Don't order one.
Not fan-friendly? People ask for a shirt. They give a possible shirt to order. They even give the possibility of a FREE (yes, free) extra orange shirt! What do people do? Bitch about it. Overthink it. It's just a shirt, y'all.
As we say in Sweden -- "Sometime you need to recognize a shovel as being a shovel". No big deal. It's just like throwing in "random colored vinyls" when all fans could have been offered colored vinyl -- which would, obviously, be a more fan-friendly way to go about it. Just because it is business as usual - doesn't mean it has to be that way. Or that you can't shine a light on the chosen practice. No big deal -- but the shovel is a shovel.
And the "then just don't buy it" is just moot and tired, but whatever - with that fatalistic approach to life, why did PJ even take on Ticketmaster? No one needed to buy tickets.
"Never voice your opinions" - yeah sure... There are a lot of things - in this fanclub -- that has changed for the better by people voicing their opinions. I also do believe this is a message board for discussions, and voicing opinions is part of that.
And this might be hard to understand with your approach to life - but maybe I will disagree with the practice, and voice my concerns about it AND still order one and be very thankful for it and thinking it's so cool that I wear it on an upcoming Tinder date that which knows might lead to a marriage and kids and happiness :O That is also pretty simple.
Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Is there an adult in the room, kicking at the ground, saying "it's not fair"? Chaos, the only thing that's not fair is that Ace and Peter weren't invited to participate in the KISS "End of the Road" tour. Ok, fuck Peter. But get rid of Tommy Thayer and bring back Ace!
YES!
Even better would have been though if Peter and Ace didn't have sold their makeup-designs so that they could have went out with their own KISS.
Then both Gene and Paul and Ace and Peter would have had to come up with more designs for their new band members. And that would deepen the lore!
And I need a book about Jendell. How is it like there? I need more lore about the Space Ace!
And yes, get rid of Tommy Thayer - or give him Vinnie Vincents design:
WHEN IS PEARL JAM DOING A HALLOWEEN SHOW IN KISS MAKEUP?! These t-shirts are not enough! We need Halloween shows!
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's like writing a letter to Topps and requesting every pack of baseball cards include the same players. No Kris Bryant signatures if everyone can't have one. No random drawings, no games, no mystery, no joy - purchase your durable collectibles with absolute certainty or forfeit your soul.
"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
The simple solution? Don't order one.
Not fan-friendly? People ask for a shirt. They give a possible shirt to order. They even give the possibility of a FREE (yes, free) extra orange shirt! What do people do? Bitch about it. Overthink it. It's just a shirt, y'all.
As we say in Sweden -- "Sometime you need to recognize a shovel as being a shovel". No big deal. It's just like throwing in "random colored vinyls" when all fans could have been offered colored vinyl -- which would, obviously, be a more fan-friendly way to go about it. Just because it is business as usual - doesn't mean it has to be that way. Or that you can't shine a light on the chosen practice. No big deal -- but the shovel is a shovel.
And the "then just don't buy it" is just moot and tired, but whatever - with that fatalistic approach to life, why did PJ even take on Ticketmaster? No one needed to buy tickets.
"Never voice your opinions" - yeah sure... There are a lot of things - in this fanclub -- that has changed for the better by people voicing their opinions. I also do believe this is a message board for discussions, and voicing opinions is part of that.
And this might be hard to understand with your approach to life - but maybe I will disagree with the practice, and voice my concerns about it AND still order one and be very thankful for it and thinking it's so cool that I wear it on an upcoming Tinder date that which knows might lead to a marriage and kids and happiness :O That is also pretty simple.
I remember when I was a kid, you would get different prizes in cereal boxes. We were poor, those boxes came by rarely and when they did, one of the 4 of us would call dibs. It was what it was. Did the entire set that was released on the packaging get released? I'm not certain, but random choices were available in the cereal boxes of the early - mid 80's. I think it is okay that there are chances for some, but not all to get a prize.
And I never asked for people not to express an opinion.
And purchasing a shirt is an option.
And that's a lot to hope for out of a shirt, but I wish you luck and happiness. It never hurts to dream.
"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
The simple solution? Don't order one.
Not fan-friendly? People ask for a shirt. They give a possible shirt to order. They even give the possibility of a FREE (yes, free) extra orange shirt! What do people do? Bitch about it. Overthink it. It's just a shirt, y'all.
As we say in Sweden -- "Sometime you need to recognize a shovel as being a shovel". No big deal. It's just like throwing in "random colored vinyls" when all fans could have been offered colored vinyl -- which would, obviously, be a more fan-friendly way to go about it. Just because it is business as usual - doesn't mean it has to be that way. Or that you can't shine a light on the chosen practice. No big deal -- but the shovel is a shovel.
And the "then just don't buy it" is just moot and tired, but whatever - with that fatalistic approach to life, why did PJ even take on Ticketmaster? No one needed to buy tickets.
"Never voice your opinions" - yeah sure... There are a lot of things - in this fanclub -- that has changed for the better by people voicing their opinions. I also do believe this is a message board for discussions, and voicing opinions is part of that.
And this might be hard to understand with your approach to life - but maybe I will disagree with the practice, and voice my concerns about it AND still order one and be very thankful for it and thinking it's so cool that I wear it on an upcoming Tinder date that which knows might lead to a marriage and kids and happiness :O That is also pretty simple.
I remember when I was a kid, you would get different prizes in cereal boxes. We were poor, those boxes came by rarely and when they did, one of the 4 of us would call dibs. It was what it was. Did the entire set that was released on the packaging get released? I'm not certain, but random choices were available in the cereal boxes of the early - mid 80's. I think it is okay that there are chances for some, but not all to get a prize.
And I never asked for people not to express an opinion.
And purchasing a shirt is an option.
And that's a lot to hope for out of a shirt, but I wish you luck and happiness. It never hurts to dream.
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"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
The simple solution? Don't order one.
Not fan-friendly? People ask for a shirt. They give a possible shirt to order. They even give the possibility of a FREE (yes, free) extra orange shirt! What do people do? Bitch about it. Overthink it. It's just a shirt, y'all.
As we say in Sweden -- "Sometime you need to recognize a shovel as being a shovel". No big deal. It's just like throwing in "random colored vinyls" when all fans could have been offered colored vinyl -- which would, obviously, be a more fan-friendly way to go about it. Just because it is business as usual - doesn't mean it has to be that way. Or that you can't shine a light on the chosen practice. No big deal -- but the shovel is a shovel.
And the "then just don't buy it" is just moot and tired, but whatever - with that fatalistic approach to life, why did PJ even take on Ticketmaster? No one needed to buy tickets.
"Never voice your opinions" - yeah sure... There are a lot of things - in this fanclub -- that has changed for the better by people voicing their opinions. I also do believe this is a message board for discussions, and voicing opinions is part of that.
And this might be hard to understand with your approach to life - but maybe I will disagree with the practice, and voice my concerns about it AND still order one and be very thankful for it and thinking it's so cool that I wear it on an upcoming Tinder date that which knows might lead to a marriage and kids and happiness :O That is also pretty simple.
I remember when I was a kid, you would get different prizes in cereal boxes. We were poor, those boxes came by rarely and when they did, one of the 4 of us would call dibs. It was what it was. Did the entire set that was released on the packaging get released? I'm not certain, but random choices were available in the cereal boxes of the early - mid 80's. I think it is okay that there are chances for some, but not all to get a prize.
And I never asked for people not to express an opinion.
And purchasing a shirt is an option.
And that's a lot to hope for out of a shirt, but I wish you luck and happiness. It never hurts to dream.
"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
Probably did away with the idea so that when someone gets a black and orange, their (my) wife won't complain that he (I) bought two of the same shirts in different colors, knowing that she won't believe they gave away the orange one free. Santos is just helping to keep marriages together now that we are going into the holiday season.
"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
That is a mischaracterization. Those orange shirts aren't free. Everyone is paying for them. Yes -- the orange shirt you will get is paid for by everyone who didn't get one.
And they are used as a way to push more sales - "fear of missing out" etc.
It is not really fan-friendly.
Fan-friendly would be: Pick a color: Black or Orange. (And maybe Copenhagen 2007 bootleg included with all purchases)
Your buying the 2018 Halloween shirt, and as a bonus a random draw will be done for the variants. What's not fan friendly about it? You don't like it, don't buy. I wish we could all get an orange variant, but then it wouldn't be as exciting would it? Fair, not fair, meh, life is not fair, even my kids know that!
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"A limited quantity of Orange Variant shirts will be randomly shipped along with purchase, in addition to black version. These customers will receive 2 shirts. "
They removed this part from the sales page. Are they not doing it anymore or they ran out? @Santos L. Halper
Probably decided not to do it anymore because some people felt the need to "stand up" against the insanity of giving out free orange shirts. I hate when stores give out free random things to customers. It sucks because then people could take those free items and sell them and it deeply affects me in my life. "Santos L. Halper" needs to stop doing cool things for us.
Probably did away with the idea so that when someone gets a black and orange, their (my) wife won't complain that he (I) bought two of the same shirts in different colors, knowing that she won't believe they gave away the orange one free. Santos is just helping to keep marriages together now that we are going into the holiday season.
Is anyone else experiencing difficulties with ordering it?
not sure if they can ship it to Greece.
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And thank you spiritual chaos for helping to pay for it.
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You know.... because giving a prize to one person is not really fan friendly.
Now I'm gonna listen to Chuck Schumer and after that some Blondie. I bought some satsumas at the store, so will eat one of those too. Best fruit. Yellow and not orange though.
Not fan-friendly? People ask for a shirt. They give a possible shirt to order. They even give the possibility of a FREE (yes, free) extra orange shirt! What do people do? Bitch about it. Overthink it. It's just a shirt, y'all.
+1
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Chaos, the only thing that's not fair is that Ace and Peter weren't invited to participate in the KISS "End of the Road" tour.
Ok, fuck Peter. But get rid of Tommy Thayer and bring back Ace!
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You must be a hoot at parties.
I had a fear of missing out on some toilet paper, so I bought a large pack that came with bonus rolls. Thank you for paying for my TP!
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And the "then just don't buy it" is just moot and tired, but whatever - with that fatalistic approach to life, why did PJ even take on Ticketmaster? No one needed to buy tickets.
"Never voice your opinions" - yeah sure... There are a lot of things - in this fanclub -- that has changed for the better by people voicing their opinions. I also do believe this is a message board for discussions, and voicing opinions is part of that.
And this might be hard to understand with your approach to life - but maybe I will disagree with the practice, and voice my concerns about it AND still order one and be very thankful for it and thinking it's so cool that I wear it on an upcoming Tinder date that which knows might lead to a marriage and kids and happiness :O That is also pretty simple.
Even better would have been though if Peter and Ace didn't have sold their makeup-designs so that they could have went out with their own KISS.
Then both Gene and Paul and Ace and Peter would have had to come up with more designs for their new band members. And that would deepen the lore!
And I need a book about Jendell. How is it like there? I need more lore about the Space Ace!
And yes, get rid of Tommy Thayer - or give him Vinnie Vincents design:
WHEN IS PEARL JAM DOING A HALLOWEEN SHOW IN KISS MAKEUP?! These t-shirts are not enough! We need Halloween shows!
And I never asked for people not to express an opinion.
And purchasing a shirt is an option.
And that's a lot to hope for out of a shirt, but I wish you luck and happiness. It never hurts to dream.
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
I just hope MR Tsurt isn't involved in these!!!
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