Honest question, followed by my personal experience:
What is it that makes so many feel like it is out of hand? I feel like it’s well known that supplies are limited, lines are long, and often the people who get there super-early are there to buy lots of merchandise, probably to flip.
I went to Seattle and Missoula knowing all of this information and got in line early (like 5:50 am early in Seattle on Friday,) because I wanted certain items and knew this was my best bet, albeit somewhat inconvenient. I got everything I wanted and got to spend the rest of the day hanging out in Seattle until the show.
I had the same experience in Missoula.
It seems like the folks who are frustrated are unwilling to recognize the simple truth that you have to be willing to be inconvenienced a bit by lining up super early. I don’t think there’s any other trick, or ‘merch hack.’
Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
Also, so glad I was there for Seattle 2, what a show.
I went to Seattle and Missoula knowing all of this information and got in line early (like 5:50 am early in Seattle on Friday,) because I wanted certain items and knew this was my best bet, albeit somewhat inconvenient. I got everything I wanted and got to spend the rest of the day hanging out in Seattle until the show.
I had the same experience in Missoula.
It seems like the folks who are frustrated are unwilling to recognize the simple truth that you have to be willing to be inconvenienced a bit by lining up super early. I don’t think there’s any other trick, or ‘merch hack.’
Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
I 100% agree. And I did the same 3 shows as you. Cheers! I also got all the merch I wanted and lined up early. So, I’m with you again.
My issue is this: I’m gonna spend the money. Make it easier for me to do so. Let me order the poster, stickers, and my shirt online, with my 10Club ticket receipt. I would rather give my money to PJ than a flipper. Don’t make me get up at the crack of dawn on a concert day, to stand in line for 3 hours, to give you my hard earned money. I’m gonna buy the bootleg, too. Just take my whole fucking paycheck. It’s fine. But make it easy on me.
Milestone said: I would rather give my money to PJ than a flipper. Don’t make me get up at the crack of dawn on a concert day, to stand in line for 3 hours, to give you my hard earned money. I’m gonna buy the bootleg, too. Just take my whole fucking paycheck. It’s fine. But make it easy on me.
Agreed!
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Milestone said: I would rather give my money to PJ than a flipper. Don’t make me get up at the crack of dawn on a concert day, to stand in line for 3 hours, to give you my hard earned money. I’m gonna buy the bootleg, too. Just take my whole fucking paycheck. It’s fine. But make it easy on me.
I went to Seattle and Missoula knowing all of this information and got in line early (like 5:50 am early in Seattle on Friday,) because I wanted certain items and knew this was my best bet, albeit somewhat inconvenient. I got everything I wanted and got to spend the rest of the day hanging out in Seattle until the show.
I had the same experience in Missoula.
It seems like the folks who are frustrated are unwilling to recognize the simple truth that you have to be willing to be inconvenienced a bit by lining up super early. I don’t think there’s any other trick, or ‘merch hack.’
Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
I 100% agree. And I did the same 3 shows as you. Cheers! I also got all the merch I wanted and lined up early. So, I’m with you again.
My issue is this: I’m gonna spend the money. Make it easier for me to do so. Let me order the poster, stickers, and my shirt online, with my 10Club ticket receipt. I would rather give my money to PJ than a flipper. Don’t make me get up at the crack of dawn on a concert day, to stand in line for 3 hours, to give you my hard earned money. I’m gonna buy the bootleg, too. Just take my whole fucking paycheck. It’s fine. But make it easy on me.
I learned by the age of 9 that the kid next door sometimes had cooler toys, some different stickers or hockey cards than me, but it was alright, you can't have everything you want in this life.
There’s a mint 1998 Chicago/Alpine poster on eBay right now for over $1190 with bidders (plural).Crazy
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Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
For me I think it is out of hand for partly that reason, like it just didn't used to be that crazy of a commitment to get posters, at least from my experience, right? At least during the 2013 shows I remember getting the posters 2 hours before showtime no problem, and only getting to the GA line 1 hour before doors open
All in all I am not a huge merch guy, so it doesn't matter that much to me either way because to me I am not willing to go through the craziness to get this stuff, but it does concern me regarding how many hoops people have to jump through to get these items nowadays when it doesn't have to be this way
Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
For me I think it is out of hand for partly that reason, like it just didn't used to be that crazy of a commitment to get posters, at least from my experience, right? At least during the 2013 shows I remember getting the posters 2 hours before showtime no problem, and only getting to the GA line 1 hour before doors open
All in all I am not a huge merch guy, so it doesn't matter that much to me either way because to me I am not willing to go through the craziness to get this stuff, but it does concern me regarding how many hoops people have to jump through to get these items nowadays when it doesn't have to be this way
Truth, I’ve gotten so many posters on the way OUT the door prior to about 2009. Its the people that weren’t at the show that drive up the poster price; the collectors of.....what?
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20 of the Thomas the Train variants are on the bay. That is 20% of that posters production. 14 of the Boston Williams posters are there too. Clearly bots are winning those sales.
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Honest question, followed by my personal experience:
What is it that makes so many feel like it is out of hand? I feel like it’s well known that supplies are limited, lines are long, and often the people who get there super-early are there to buy lots of merchandise, probably to flip.
I went to Seattle and Missoula knowing all of this information and got in line early (like 5:50 am early in Seattle on Friday,) because I wanted certain items and knew this was my best bet, albeit somewhat inconvenient. I got everything I wanted and got to spend the rest of the day hanging out in Seattle until the show.
I had the same experience in Missoula.
It seems like the folks who are frustrated are unwilling to recognize the simple truth that you have to be willing to be inconvenienced a bit by lining up super early. I don’t think there’s any other trick, or ‘merch hack.’
Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
Also, so glad I was there for Seattle 2, what a show.
But where does this end. Say people take your advice and people arrive at 5.50am. Then the advice will be you need to arrive at 4am.
All of this is a waste of people's time.
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Hopefully when the 10c drop all the posters (and hopefully flood the market) that will fuck with alot of the ebay sellers. Yesterday a regular Fairclough poster failed to sell for $20 on the bay
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I learned by the age of 9 that the kid next door sometimes had cooler toys, some different stickers or hockey cards than me, but it was alright, you can't have everything you want in this life.
But where does this end. Say people take your advice and people arrive at 5.50am. Then the advice will be you need to arrive at 4am.
All of this is a waste of people's time.
I guess my point (and I’m not saying I’m correct,) is that I don’t think everyone will be willing to get up early and spend that much time waiting. So it’s not so much advice as just my experience on how I personally guarantee I get all the merch items I want. It sounds like not everyone is so willing to commit to these early hours and long waits.
And while it may be viewed as a waste of time, it’s also a personal choice to get merch. At this stage of the game it seems like lining up early may be the only way to get it all. For me it’s not a waste because it’s become part of my PJ experience and I account for the long wait during my trip.
All this said, I get the frustration. I avoid it utilizing the methods I mentioned. By no means do I think it’s feasible for everyone, just wanted to share my experience.
When the next tour comes around I’ll be up bright and early and one of the first in line. Come say hi if you’re there too!
20 of the Thomas the Train variants are on the bay. That is 20% of that posters production. 14 of the Boston Williams posters are there too. Clearly bots are winning those sales.
I misread this the first time and didn't see "variant" and didnt think 20 was a big deal at all. That actually is pretty crazy that 20 of the variants are already on ebay,
lol.... I always a tshirt/poster from every show I go to, but unfortunately this one is probably going to live it's life out in a poster tube in the closet. Not the greatest one I've seen.
Bottom line is the flippers are winning the poster battle, even on the online sales. I wish pj would make it easier for the real fans, but it’s clear they like the current system
I'd argue a majority of the posters are ending up in fans hands. While there is probably a decent percentage that go up on ebay (20% is an outlier because its an AP variant), fans are getting them for their $35 price.
I'd argue a majority of the posters are ending up in fans hands. While there is probably a decent percentage that go up on ebay (20% is an outlier because its an AP variant), fans are getting them for their $35 price.
No way, the vast majority of PJ posters are selling for at least double on Ebay, even the ugly crappy ones
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I'd argue a majority of the posters are ending up in fans hands. While there is probably a decent percentage that go up on ebay (20% is an outlier because its an AP variant), fans are getting them for their $35 price.
No way, the vast majority of PJ posters are selling for at least double on Ebay, even the ugly crappy ones
If they make thousands of posters I dont think even close to half of each poster ends up going up on ebay...at least not in the days immediately following the release.
I agree that it is out of hand but I think you are overstating the issue if you think they make 10,000 posters and the vast majority end up on eBay.
I'd argue a majority of the posters are ending up in fans hands. While there is probably a decent percentage that go up on ebay (20% is an outlier because its an AP variant), fans are getting them for their $35 price.
No way, the vast majority of PJ posters are selling for at least double on Ebay, even the ugly crappy ones
If they make thousands of posters I dont think even close to half of each poster ends up going up on ebay...at least not in the days immediately following the release.
I agree that it is out of hand but I think you are overstating the issue if you think they make 10,000 posters and the vast majority end up on eBay.
it would be interesting to know exactly how many of each poster they make
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Do not know the story behind it but I love that BK Hicks poster.
Do not know the story behind it but I love that BK Hicks poster.
The Santiago is so awesome in person.
yeah I figured the mystical woman in her traditional garb sort pointing to a also mystical Bill Hicks, it seems like the perfect compliment, Klausen usually makes some awesome posters
I'd argue a majority of the posters are ending up in fans hands. While there is probably a decent percentage that go up on ebay (20% is an outlier because its an AP variant), fans are getting them for their $35 price.
No way, the vast majority of PJ posters are selling for at least double on Ebay, even the ugly crappy ones
I've been following the Wrigley posters. The only one selling for significantly more than $35 is the train poster. Purple Ames is going for maybe $50, the chick about face value, and the other 2 are probably losing money if they try to flip them (if you ficure shipping and fees). They are some extreme examples that sold for, but there are plenty that sell for that range. Even seen a few of the Ames posters sell for $50 and free shipping. They didn't make any money on that. But Wrigley had a lot of ugly posters this run.
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Honest question, followed by my personal experience:
What is it that makes so many feel like it is out of hand? I feel like it’s well known that supplies are limited, lines are long, and often the people who get there super-early are there to buy lots of merchandise, probably to flip.
I went to Seattle and Missoula knowing all of this information and got in line early (like 5:50 am early in Seattle on Friday,) because I wanted certain items and knew this was my best bet, albeit somewhat inconvenient. I got everything I wanted and got to spend the rest of the day hanging out in Seattle until the show.
I had the same experience in Missoula.
It seems like the folks who are frustrated are unwilling to recognize the simple truth that you have to be willing to be inconvenienced a bit by lining up super early. I don’t think there’s any other trick, or ‘merch hack.’
Anyway, just my two cents. I understand that it would be frustrating to wait all day and not get something, and obviously I’m aware that not everyone’s situation allows for early lineups etc., but it seems like a lot of threads have been devoted to rants about merch, and my experience is that some of this frustration is avoidable, but to reiterate, you may have to be willing to be inconvenienced.
Also, so glad I was there for Seattle 2, what a show.
I also got all the merch I wanted and lined up early. So, I’m with you again.
My issue is this: I’m gonna spend the money. Make it easier for me to do so. Let me order the poster, stickers, and my shirt online, with my 10Club ticket receipt. I would rather give my money to PJ than a flipper. Don’t make me get up at the crack of dawn on a concert day, to stand in line for 3 hours, to give you my hard earned money. I’m gonna buy the bootleg, too. Just take my whole fucking paycheck. It’s fine. But make it easy on me.
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All in all I am not a huge merch guy, so it doesn't matter that much to me either way because to me I am not willing to go through the craziness to get this stuff, but it does concern me regarding how many hoops people have to jump through to get these items nowadays when it doesn't have to be this way
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All of this is a waste of people's time.
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And while it may be viewed as a waste of time, it’s also a personal choice to get merch. At this stage of the game it seems like lining up early may be the only way to get it all. For me it’s not a waste because it’s become part of my PJ experience and I account for the long wait during my trip.
All this said, I get the frustration. I avoid it utilizing the methods I mentioned. By no means do I think it’s feasible for everyone, just wanted to share my experience.
When the next tour comes around I’ll be up bright and early and one of the first in line. Come say hi if you’re there too!
That actually is pretty crazy that 20 of the variants are already on ebay,
No way, the vast majority of PJ posters are selling for at least double on Ebay, even the ugly crappy ones
Purple Ames is going for maybe $50, the chick about face value, and the other 2 are probably losing money if they try to flip them (if you ficure shipping and fees).
They are some extreme examples that sold for, but there are plenty that sell for that range. Even seen a few of the Ames posters sell for $50 and free shipping. They didn't make any money on that.
But Wrigley had a lot of ugly posters this run.