My story dealing with several horrible entitled “railbirds” in GA at Wrigley 2

Go Beavers

ascahn said:

ascahn said:

Go Beavers said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Easy answer. They’re dicks for knowing that others were there before they were and then didn’t move in behind the first group. Sounds like the first group didn’t respond well though.    

Not sure why we are dicks. Nobody said security moved them anywhere.  They were in Murphy’s. We spent time in Murphy’s also so does that make us all equal?  I arrived into town on Friday so is that when I lined up?  Bottom line for me is no lists or unauthorized lines per 10 Club. We went to the spot that we were told by security that we could stand. Off of Cubs controlled property and exactly where the pre 8:00 am line was started on Saturday with the other group in that line. 

It depends on if you knew other people were there previously and had started a line. 

dimitrispearljam

ascahn said:

ascahn said:

Go Beavers said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Easy answer. They’re dicks for knowing that others were there before they were and then didn’t move in behind the first group. Sounds like the first group didn’t respond well though.    

Not sure why we are dicks. Nobody said security moved them anywhere.  They were in Murphy’s. We spent time in Murphy’s also so does that make us all equal?  I arrived into town on Friday so is that when I lined up?  Bottom line for me is no lists or unauthorized lines per 10 Club. We went to the spot that we were told by security that we could stand. Off of Cubs controlled property and exactly where the pre 8:00 am line was started on Saturday with the other group in that line. 

   Be a man and admit u knew people was there before u arrive and u  took advantage that they couldn't be in official line before  8am and when that time arrived u went up front and don't give a shit those waiting before u. Have the dignity to admit u didn't give a shit about others and u play with  the words and the rules and u didn't break any.. There are videos of u walking in front of them when all of them wait to get into the official line up.. 

And tell the truth that u didn't want to follow " the list cos a foreigner was first in That line.. 

We are not fools, grow a pair and admit u did t give a fuck about those was behind u there and u took advantage the 8 am line up.. Cos if was like 2016 or 2013 when the Cubs let people camp there u would be, behind 70 people and u couldn't be upfront. That simple. U are lucky Australians was there.. Cos if was Italians u would be in a fist fight 

MayDay10

Yeah, I think its time GA in the USA has run its course

Go Beavers

MayDay10 said:

Yeah, I think its time GA in the USA has run its course

Really? I think it works really well 99%+ of the time. This go around it looks like people were taking liberties with the 8:00 thing as some ‘official’ rule.  

BettrMan21

ascahn said:

Not sure why we are dicks. Nobody said security moved them anywhere.  They were in Murphy’s. We spent time in Murphy’s also so does that make us all equal?  I arrived into town on Friday so is that when I lined up? Bottom line for me is no lists or unauthorized lines per 10 Club. We went to the spot that we were told by security that we could stand. Off of Cubs controlled property and exactly where the pre 8:00 am line was started on Saturday with the other group in that line. 

I mean, pretty spot on here. If it comes out that the "unwelcome" comments aren't true, then I don't know that there's anything else to be said.

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

ascahn said:

ascahn said:

Go Beavers said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Easy answer. They’re dicks for knowing that others were there before they were and then didn’t move in behind the first group. Sounds like the first group didn’t respond well though.    

Not sure why we are dicks. Nobody said security moved them anywhere.  They were in Murphy’s. We spent time in Murphy’s also so does that make us all equal?  I arrived into town on Friday so is that when I lined up?  Bottom line for me is no lists or unauthorized lines per 10 Club. We went to the spot that we were told by security that we could stand. Off of Cubs controlled property and exactly where the pre 8:00 am line was started on Saturday with the other group in that line. 

It depends on if you knew other people were there previously and had started a line. 

I think it depends on whether or not they had a list in that first line.

RK50065

For the Springsteen (or Radiohead) method, how do you enter with your +1? Or +40 group?

Indifference

RK50065 said:

For the Springsteen (or Radiohead) method, how do you enter with your +1? Or +40 group?

They need to be with you when you pick up wristbands - no holding places which is another benefit IMO.

LukinAtU

Just read original post. What asshats...you can't control mother nature. If you don't arrive at the rail before me after the postponement, not my problem.

Ledbetterman10

I imagine that the view two rows behind these "railbirds" is pretty damn good too. And you don't have to get in line two days in advance to get that view. 

Vedder4Prez

I feel like someone shouldn't be attacked etc if they followed the rules Tim and the 10C put in place. If it says 8am then it's 8am. A lot of fans paid for GA and followed Tim's rule. So why are the "elite" PJ fans who have their secret groups and numbering system better than the people who followed their rules? 

Big Bank Hank

Vedder4Prez said:

I feel like someone shouldn't be attacked etc if they followed the rules Tim and the 10C put in place. If it says 8am then it's 8am. A lot of fans paid for GA and followed Tim's rule. So why are the "elite" PJ fans who have their secret groups and numbering system better than the people who followed their rules? 

Pretty hard to argue with this simple logic

bbiggs

This thread completely changes my perspective on how I should have handled things Monday night. When they announced re-entry to the pit, my buddy and I were the first ones to go. We took about three steps in a calm, slow manner, but quickly realized if we kept that pace we’d be trampled. So...we ran. And by doing so, I was one of the first ones back and could have grabbed center rail. Instead, I stayed back a few rows out of courtesy for the folks that had been camping out all day(s). Within seconds, shit got real ugly. There were groups of men and women pushing, swearing and throwing tantrums like my 5 year old would. However, I was allowing these people claiming to have been robbed of their spot to move past me to re-claim the rail, and I encouraged the people next to me to give the same courtesy. If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn’t have budged. Fuck that. So much for being a nice guy. This rail entitlement bullshit is nonsense. 

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

I imagine that the view two rows behind these "railbirds" is pretty damn good too. And you don't have to get in line two days in advance to get that view. 

I personally think the view is actually better 3 - 8 rows back. The rail gives you too sharp an angle to the stage.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I imagine that the view two rows behind these "railbirds" is pretty damn good too. And you don't have to get in line two days in advance to get that view. 

I personally think the view is actually better 3 - 8 rows back. The rail gives you too sharp an angle to the stage.

Plus you can't really move around that well as just stuck to the rail.

Gern Blansten

Suziemay said:

Gern Blansten said:

agreed....both groups think they are right.  When there are not clear rules and/or the venue isn't aware of any rules that can be enforced it will be a clusterfuck every time.

We are all there for the same thing, it's a shame that we can't all be nice to each other and peacefully resolve. In the past, I've been in situations were multiple lines formed, and we resolved peacefully.

1) Wrigley 2013: Security gave different instructions to different people when we showed up, so there were at least two GA lines that formed. We realized this quickly, and were able to merge peacefully. I can't remember what we did, I just remember being in one line, realizing that, oh crap, there's another line around the corner, running there, chatting with some folks and then we were all happy again. I mean, until the rain delay

2) Oakland 2013: People who arrived by car formed a line outside the gate. People who arrived on foot formed a line inside the arena. I think we did something like alternating people in each line, and merged both lines. I think there was a small handful of grumbly people, but the majority of us just wanted to resolve peacefully and we did. This ended up being one of the best shows ever for me.

Yeah...too bad that doesn't work all the time.  Someone is going to get hurt.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I imagine that the view two rows behind these "railbirds" is pretty damn good too. And you don't have to get in line two days in advance to get that view. 

I personally think the view is actually better 3 - 8 rows back. The rail gives you too sharp an angle to the stage.

Plus you can't really move around that well as just stuck to the rail.

For sure. When you see video of the pit really rocking out, it's usually the case that, unless one of the band members is down there and they're spazzing about it, the people right on the rail are kind of a motionless human barrier between the stage and everyone else. Just a lot of dangling arms and elbows for the most part, lol. They just don't have room to do anything other than stand there and clap. I do, however, understand that it's nice to have something to lean on for 3 or 4 hours until the band comes out. It really takes some weight off of sore feet.

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

 the people right on the rail are kind of a motionless human barrier between the stage and everyone else. 

Hey you try standing around for 48 hours prior to the concert and see how into the show you'd be! 

mcgruff10

Vedder4Prez said:

I feel like someone shouldn't be attacked etc if they followed the rules Tim and the 10C put in place. If it says 8am then it's 8am. A lot of fans paid for GA and followed Tim's rule. So why are the "elite" PJ fans who have their secret groups and numbering system better than the people who followed their rules? 

Bingo

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

 the people right on the rail are kind of a motionless human barrier between the stage and everyone else. 

Hey you try standing around for 48 hours prior to the concert and see how into the show you'd be! 

No thanks, I'm not insane.
(kidding, kidding - hey, nobody said obsessions are necessarily bad things, lol... only when they start hurting others, like when they lead to slander on facebook and verbal or physical aggression towards others and stuff like that)