My story dealing with several horrible entitled “railbirds” in GA at Wrigley 2

dcp3y

There is no line before 8am.  Leaving N1 mid-last song to get in line for N2!?!?!  No sleep/showering for two days!  Stuck scrambling between approved standing locations, a list/no list, for like 48 hours.  Rail riders, Aussie mafia, Even Bros, this made me doubly glad I didn’t have GA in the first place.  #notforthefaintofheart. #PJcult. #2eachtheirown
I enjoyed the world class offerings of Chicago between shows and hung with the guy who introduced me to PJ in the first place as well as was with me on my first and now last (currently speaking) shows with another along the way.  #reservedalltheway. #choices. #goodbefore&afterthedelay. #nostress 

Go Beavers

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Easy answer. They’re dicks for knowing that others were there before they were and then didn’t move in behind the first group. Sounds like the first group didn’t respond well though. 

PJNB

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Side question Jeff, with the rain delay were you able to get on your original flight?  We were delayed the next day by a few hours. Talked to a few people who said tons of flights were canceled the night of the show. 

No issues thankfully. We had an 6:10am flight and I am still recovering from the lack of sleep. Stayed up later then I wanted to last night to get the Thomas poster too. Going to make up for it tonight and the boys are going to daycare tomorrow thank god lol. At least yours was not cancelled. Glad we got to have a chat in before we moved into the venue! You guys seem like a great couple. Next time hopefully more time to hang out! 

Green Disease Redux

JH6056 said:

Green Disease Redux said:

Solution =springsteen way. 

What is the "Springsteen Way"?

No queuing no camping, get to enjoy beautiful cities like Chicago show up in the afternoon randomly get a number which dictates where in line you are...completely random 

iwasthere

Green Disease Redux said:

JH6056 said:

Green Disease Redux said:

Solution =springsteen way. 

What is the "Springsteen Way"?

No queuing no camping, get to enjoy beautiful cities like Chicago show up in the afternoon randomly get a number which dictates where in line you are...completely random 

Sounds way to reasonable. 

Vedd Hedd

So, in order to get the rail...you not only need to be in line anywhere from 10-48 hours in advance, but also need to immediately run to the rail, and then spend the next 5-6 hours there without eating or going to the bathroom, all while elbowing out people who are trying to push up?

And if you DO move, you lose your spot?

Yeah, bring back the seats please.

jacquelynca

GA spots are not owned real estate.  Period.  Sorry you had to deal with that OP.

Shakescky

Green Disease Redux said:

JH6056 said:

Green Disease Redux said:

Solution =springsteen way. 

What is the "Springsteen Way"?

No queuing no camping, get to enjoy beautiful cities like Chicago show up in the afternoon randomly get a number which dictates where in line you are...completely random 

Sounds cool to me.

Go Beavers

ForceofNature101 said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Did the venue specifically tell them "hey you guys are the first in line but we are moving you here" or did they go "we are moving you guys here because there technically is no line until 8am, but you guys are welcome to camp out over here for the chance to be first when the line starts"?

To me, based on the information given, the line did not start until 8am, and whoever physically is first in that 8am line when 8am starts, is first in line, right?  

That just perpetuates the current problem because people will always arrive before 8:00. What I’m hearing is that if the 10c announced “the official line starts where the campers are” then people will follow that directive. What I’m saying is that we don’t need to wait for the 10c to declare that. Instead we do that ourselves. 

mcgruff10

PJNB said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Side question Jeff, with the rain delay were you able to get on your original flight?  We were delayed the next day by a few hours. Talked to a few people who said tons of flights were canceled the night of the show. 

No issues thankfully. We had an 6:10am flight and I am still recovering from the lack of sleep. Stayed up later then I wanted to last night to get the Thomas poster too. Going to make up for it tonight and the boys are going to daycare tomorrow thank god lol. At least yours was not cancelled. Glad we got to have a chat in before we moved into the venue! You guys seem like a great couple. Next time hopefully more time to hang out! 

Yeah definitely got to get some beers next time. You and Jess reminded me of me and wife. Juggling kids around just to get away lol.  Unfortunately couldn’t connect with @darwinstheory but did get to meet @bbiggs

JH6056

Green Disease Redux said:

JH6056 said:

Green Disease Redux said:

Solution =springsteen way. 

What is the "Springsteen Way"?

No queuing no camping, get to enjoy beautiful cities like Chicago show up in the afternoon randomly get a number which dictates where in line you are...completely random 

LOVE THAT!  That DOES seem like the most fair way, and once everyone knows that, no one waits all day because they all know it's not worth it!

Also changes up who's on the rail.

Win-win-win!  Except for the folks who feel they control the process for their own benefit.  I guess they don't see that as a win.  But it would make everyone enjoy the location a lot more!  Heck, short l'il old me might even try for GA if that was the rule!

That said, old habits die hard... there would also need to be some security watching the rails to make sure those who got there because they were randomly at the front of the line, don't get literally bullied out of their positions by those who are just used to being in front and don't take well to not having control over it anymore.

ForceofNature101

Go Beavers said:

ForceofNature101 said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Did the venue specifically tell them "hey you guys are the first in line but we are moving you here" or did they go "we are moving you guys here because there technically is no line until 8am, but you guys are welcome to camp out over here for the chance to be first when the line starts"?

To me, based on the information given, the line did not start until 8am, and whoever physically is first in that 8am line when 8am starts, is first in line, right?  

That just perpetuates the current problem because people will always arrive before 8:00. What I’m hearing is that if the 10c announced “the official line starts where the campers are” then people will follow that directive. What I’m saying is that we don’t need to wait for the 10c to declare that. Instead we do that ourselves. 

Well if people always arrive before 8am, then following protocol set by the venue, the people officially physically present in the line first when it starts at 8am, is first in line

To me we DO need to wait for 10C to announce it, or the venue.  If there is no explicit rule, we as fans cannot set rules telling other fans what to do.   We can only abide by the official rules set by the venue or 10C.

The only thing that would perpetuate the current problem is when fans impose their own rules.  The campers were set aside not because they had to move a line, but because there was no line.  None of them had any right to be #1 in line, they only had the right to camp out close to where the line starts at 8am for the chance to be first in line

So to me the only issue is when campers got beat to the punch legitimately, but can't deal with it emotionally because they are so used to setting rules over other fans

mcgruff10

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

ForceofNature101 said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Did the venue specifically tell them "hey you guys are the first in line but we are moving you here" or did they go "we are moving you guys here because there technically is no line until 8am, but you guys are welcome to camp out over here for the chance to be first when the line starts"?

To me, based on the information given, the line did not start until 8am, and whoever physically is first in that 8am line when 8am starts, is first in line, right?  

That just perpetuates the current problem because people will always arrive before 8:00. What I’m hearing is that if the 10c announced “the official line starts where the campers are” then people will follow that directive. What I’m saying is that we don’t need to wait for the 10c to declare that. Instead we do that ourselves. 

Well if people always arrive before 8pm, then following protocol set by the venue, the people officially physically present in the line first when it starts, is first in line

To me we DO need to wait for 10C to announce it, or the venue.  If there is no explicit rule, we as fans cannot set rules telling other fans what to do.   We can only abide by the official rules set by the venue or 10C.

The only thing that would perpetuate the current problem is when fans impose their own rules.  The campers were set aside not because they had to move a line, but because there was no line.  None of them had any right to be #1 in line, they only had the right to camp out close to where the line starts at 8am for the chance to be first in line

So to me the only issue is when campers got beat to the punch legitimately, but can't deal with it emotionally because they are so used to setting rules over other fans

Bingo

Shakescky

Go Beavers said:

ForceofNature101 said:

PJNB said:

ForceofNature101 said:

Go Beavers said:

Again, the 8:00 am line up rule is set by an outisde authority, why should that take precedent over the group established rule of whoever gets there first is first in line? 

I guess for me, personally all in all I don't see venue rules and policy as "outside authority", I see it as THE authority, so to speak.  And if their line and whoever gets there first is the only line they consider official, the people who get to that line first, in this case ascahn, their place in line is (IMO) as legitimate as anything else

I have no clue why I am still talking about this but they were not the first in that line. The first in that line was moved by THE authority to another designated spot. 24 hours later his group claims that spot that was not allowed by group #1 but no security is there to move them. Are they lucky to get it and no authority is moving them or are they dicks for knowing others were in that spot but got moved. This is a question that will haunt us for years to come. 

Did the venue specifically tell them "hey you guys are the first in line but we are moving you here" or did they go "we are moving you guys here because there technically is no line until 8am, but you guys are welcome to camp out over here for the chance to be first when the line starts"?

To me, based on the information given, the line did not start until 8am, and whoever physically is first in that 8am line when 8am starts, is first in line, right?  

That just perpetuates the current problem because people will always arrive before 8:00. What I’m hearing is that if the 10c announced “the official line starts where the campers are” then people will follow that directive. What I’m saying is that we don’t need to wait for the 10c to declare that. Instead we do that ourselves. 

You are right when you say we should "do that ourselves." The problem is grown adults with entitlement issues want to curate rules that can benefit them and their party when needed instead of following the undeclared Ten Club ruling. It is sad to see people acting this way over a nearly three hour concert. I think a child with a scraped knee recovers more quickly.

kid canada

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Oh you hung out on the sidewalk by murphy’s The last two days? That’s odd.  

When I saw someone post that they left during YLB on night one to get in line for night two, I thought I misread it because imy brain couldn’t process that anyone would wait two full days. Insane. 

I just can’t fathom doing this. 

You mean giving up two full days of your life to stand 10 feet closer to the stage than I stood? Me neither.

darwinstheory

Yeah definitely got to get some beers next time. You and Jess reminded me of me and wife. Juggling kids around just to get away lol.  Unfortunately couldn’t connect with @darwinstheory but did get to meet @bbiggs

And I had a hella bad ass gift for you too!

No worries, I've only seen PJ in IN, WI, IL & MI. That will change very soon dammit! We will definitely connect over an IPA at some point. Though you did pass on fresh tapped Zombie Dust at Murphy's. That's on you, bud!

Also missed out on Briggs, though I believe we were really close to one another in original GA N2 before the shit storm.

DirtyFrankAndBeans

Damiens said:

First off, OP I was right by you (guy with hat and goatee, we talked about your Spin t-shirt and fist bumped during Jeremy), your account is 100% on point in terms of the guy in the red shirt and glasses, very frustrating and strange situation and as you described.  I'm glad you and pretty much everyone else around us was pretty cool and it was an amazing show even with some bad actors in the pit.

As far as the larger debate about lining up and who "deserves" to be where I do not think there is any amount of time that you can wait that justifies coming into a crowded area and getting physical with people, pushing people, elbowing, etc. etc.  I was shoved into a woman on the rail by the red shirt guy which caused me to smash her into the rail which she obviously got upset about.  We're all here to see a band we love, getting angry and trying to intimidate or physically move people against their will is NOT OKAY no matter how long you waited or how justified you think you are based on your own rules that you created.

Again, great show, 99% of people in GA were awesome and cool.  Kudos to the guy that gave me a poncho for free when the rain started and thanks to security for handing out all the free water.  Great show!!

What’s up man!!  I was hoping you got on here because you definitely had to deal with him on the same type level you made the first half of the show bearable!  You even tried reasoning with the guy and telling him to let it go nobody wants tension around at a show!  He clearly killed the whole vibe for our general area but we battled thru!  Thanks for sticking with me and holding our ground!   

sissonp33

Big Bank Hank said:

darwinstheory said:

During the rain delay, there was a bald headed bearded man wearing shorts and black boots that got funneled to where I was at. He was a pretty good size guy (plenty bigger than me at 6' 215lbs). He was a rail rat and up pretty close initially (within 3 rows). He made it a point of yelling around during the delay on where he was and how he WILL be back there after it is over. Included by:

•pointing to 5-7 people around him saying they were up there with him and would be back up there with him. They could vouch for one another. Creating a mob mentality.

•threatening physical harm - "I'll beat the shit out of people that try to stop us"

•using his size and accomplishing his task. About 2-3 back front center.

This behavior is inexcusable, barbaric and bullyish. Unfortunately, it wasn't worth a trip to the hospital for me. He is the kind of person I love to hate. Yes, hate. It does not good not just for a concert, but for society as a whole to have people acting this way.

totally anti everything Pearl Jam represents

This is the main thing I keep coming back to...are we all following the same band?? I can’t reconcile how someone who apparently cares so much about seeing Pearl Jam from as close as possible hasn’t learned a thing about what they stand for. Same for the ‘Aussie’ group, even if they were completely in the right, the bullying and hatred is disgusting. Plus, there are four people in front of you, how much room do you think they’re going to take up?

darwinstheory

Green Disease Redux said:

JH6056 said:

Green Disease Redux said:

Solution =springsteen way. 

What is the "Springsteen Way"?

No queuing no camping, get to enjoy beautiful cities like Chicago show up in the afternoon randomly get a number which dictates where in line you are...completely random 

Sounds like something they should at least try out for their next couple shows with GA.

What happened at Wrigley 13 and Wrigley 18 N2 is asking for disaster. 

mcgruff10

darwinstheory said:

Yeah definitely got to get some beers next time. You and Jess reminded me of me and wife. Juggling kids around just to get away lol.  Unfortunately couldn’t connect with @darwinstheory but did get to meet @bbiggs

And I had a hella bad ass gift for you too!

No worries, I've only seen PJ in IN, WI, IL & MI. That will change very soon dammit! We will definitely connect over an IPA at some point. Though you did pass on fresh tapped Zombie Dust at Murphy's. That's on you, bud!

Also missed out on Briggs, though I believe we were really close to one another in original GA N2 before the shit storm.

You guys need to make the next nyc/Philly show!