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unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
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is it the alt-left that does?

What about now?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-30/?utm_source=ods&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1600d

ICE successfully removes Nazi camp guard

Overnight, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) carried out a 2004 order of deportation for Jakiw Palij, a former Nazi SS labor camp guard in German-occupied Poland. After World War II, Palij lied about being a Nazi and became a resident of Queens, New York.

Through extensive negotiations, President Trump and his team secured Palij’s deportation to Germany. Despite the 2004 removal order, past administrations were unsuccessful in expelling Palij from America. 

To protect the promise of freedom for Holocaust survivors and their families, President Trump prioritized the removal of Palij. His long-overdue deportation sends a strong message: The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on U.S. soil.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,521
    edited August 2018
    What kind of over simplistic cartoon written for kids do you live in and use as background for your reasoning?

    What does it matter?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Well when they march in the streets chanting, “No borders, no wall, no USA at all”, it would present a path for what could be considered a logical discussion.  I see you missed that path.  

    Also Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has made that part of her campaign.

    But hey, can’t pass up an opportunity to take a cheap shot at good ol unsung though, right?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,976
    LOL, what a crock of shit:

    Palij had lied about being a Nazi and remained in the United States for decades. Palij’s removal sends a strong message:  The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on American soil.

    I'll give this admin its due if this becomes a pattern, not a one-off distracting PR stunt. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LOL, what a crock of shit:

    Palij had lied about being a Nazi and remained in the United States for decades. Palij’s removal sends a strong message:  The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on American soil.

    I'll give this admin its due if this becomes a pattern, not a one-off distracting PR stunt. 
    The difference here is that Palij interests Israel. American neo-Nazis do not.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,521
    edited August 2018
    unsung said:
    Well when they march in the streets chanting, “No borders, no wall, no USA at all”, it would present a path for what could be considered a logical discussion.  I see you missed that path.  

    Also Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has made that part of her campaign.

    But hey, can’t pass up an opportunity to take a cheap shot at good ol unsung though, right?
    I understand you are trolling, obviously. So no one here thinks I'm falling for this level of simple mindedness.

    And yes I know you think I should have been separated from my family when I was a child. And bla bla.

    But wanting to remove ICE doesn't mean you want nazis to stay in the country.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    ^^^The only one trolling in this thread is you...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LOL, what a crock of shit:

    Palij had lied about being a Nazi and remained in the United States for decades. Palij’s removal sends a strong message:  The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on American soil.

    I'll give this admin its due if this becomes a pattern, not a one-off distracting PR stunt. 
    Tough to make it a pattern since most are probably dead.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Well when they march in the streets chanting, “No borders, no wall, no USA at all”, it would present a path for what could be considered a logical discussion.  I see you missed that path.  

    Also Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has made that part of her campaign.

    But hey, can’t pass up an opportunity to take a cheap shot at good ol unsung though, right?
    I understand you are trolling, obviously. So no one here thinks I'm falling for this level of simple mindedness.

    And yes I know you think I should have been separated from my family when I was a child. And bla bla.

    But wanting to remove ICE doesn't mean you want nazis to stay in the country.
    Not when you were a child, just some time after hitting 26.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,521
    edited August 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    ^^^The only one trolling in this thread is you...
    How come?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    Stop acting like this is the first time its happened or others haven't gone before this one. Oooooooooooooooo, those lefists.

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    ^^^missing the point
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,521
    edited August 2018
    unsung said:
    ^^^missing the point
    What point? What is your point, that is not reaching Hannity-style?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    reread title and post #1
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    unsung said:
    ^^^missing the point
    My point is to answer your questions, which to both is, no, as evidenced by the past. Perhaps you could define the alt-left though?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,085
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LOL, what a crock of shit:

    Palij had lied about being a Nazi and remained in the United States for decades. Palij’s removal sends a strong message:  The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on American soil.

    I'll give this admin its due if this becomes a pattern, not a one-off distracting PR stunt. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,085
    unsung said:
    ^^^missing the point
    What happened to your point about wanting a smaller government? 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited August 2018
    unsung said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LOL, what a crock of shit:

    Palij had lied about being a Nazi and remained in the United States for decades. Palij’s removal sends a strong message:  The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on American soil.

    I'll give this admin its due if this becomes a pattern, not a one-off distracting PR stunt. 
    Tough to make it a pattern since most are probably dead.
    I think he meant make it a pattern to do something about Nazis in general... The neo-Nazis/white nationalists in America are people that Trump refuses to denounce, and in a couple of instances he has basically praised them. He also has some in his cabinet. He also clearly values their support very much.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,521
    unsung said:
    reread title and post #1
    There is no point there. Just some sarcastic comment without any real-world relevance.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys Posts: 357
    Don't most people want to get rid of ICE though?
    Reasons like making government smaller, things created in 2003 are not in the constitution, plus America did okay with Nazis pre-ICE, right?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    Don't most people want to get rid of ICE though?
    Reasons like making government smaller, things created in 2003 are not in the constitution, plus America did okay with Nazis pre-ICE, right?
    I think a reasonable, rational, in control ICE could be alright, but ICE isn't that right now. ICE is a fascist-like terror gang right now as far as I can tell, so getting rid of ICE simply sounds better than it carrying on as it is. That doesn't mean I would ever support open borders or anything like that, and I think there are very few who do, and even those who claim they do will never ever do something to make that happen - even they know it's impractical, and I think they only say stuff like that for PR/propaganda reasons.
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    No, of course not 
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    Without government, who would remove the undocumented immigrants?

    Riddle me that, Batman
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    my2hands said:
    Without government, who would remove the undocumented immigrants?

    Riddle me that, Batman
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    my2hands said:
    Without government, who would remove the undocumented immigrants?

    Riddle me that, Batman

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    edited August 2018
    umm, ICE only took him into custody. Justice and State were primary in rhis.

    ICE is Homeland, right?



    BERLIN — The Nazi guard lived a quiet life in a racially diverse corner of New York City for decades, having lied on his United States immigration papers in 1949 about the type of work he did during World War II. But on Tuesday, he was deported to Germany, ending a 14-year battle to remove him from American soil.

    The expulsion of the former guard, Jakiw Palij, rid the United States of the last known surviving Nazi war crimes suspect still residing in the country, bringing to a close a long-vexed effort by the government to deport him. It also handed President Trump, who had pressed strongly for Mr. Palij’s removal, a powerful talking point against critics of his immigration policies, by shifting the focus to the deportation of a man associated with the worst atrocities of the Holocaust instead of thousands of unauthorized immigrants whose stories are far more sympathetic.

    Mr. Palij, 95, was first tracked down by investigators in 1993, and stripped of his American citizenship 10 years later when a federal judge found that he had falsely claimed in his visa application that he had worked on his father’s farm in Poland and at a German factory during the period when he was actually serving the Nazis at the Trawniki labor camp in occupied Poland.

    In 2004, a federal immigration judge ordered that Mr. Palij be deported. But for years, American officials failed to persuade any country to accept a man born in what was once Poland and is now Ukraine, and who had served a murderous German regime.
    ...... article continues
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    I like ICE in my drinks ...
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495

    Just to answer the op's question:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-iowa-womans-slaying-hardworking-050313954.html

    Autopsy finds Iowa student killed by 'sharp force injuries'

    The president also said the suspect was "found by" agents from Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, an agency that some liberals have called for abolishing because of tactics they view as overly harsh. An ICE spokesman said Thursday that its agents worked with state and local investigators in "identifying, locating and interviewing the suspect."

    Division of Criminal Investigation spokesman Mitch Mortvedt agreed that ICE played a "significant role" in the case, particularly in helping confirm Rivera's identity and immigration status.


    My question is, what tactics is ICE doing that is overly harsh?  Are they just doing their job and you don't like the results?

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited August 2018
    mcgruff10 said:

    Just to answer the op's question:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-iowa-womans-slaying-hardworking-050313954.html

    Autopsy finds Iowa student killed by 'sharp force injuries'

    The president also said the suspect was "found by" agents from Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, an agency that some liberals have called for abolishing because of tactics they view as overly harsh. An ICE spokesman said Thursday that its agents worked with state and local investigators in "identifying, locating and interviewing the suspect."

    Division of Criminal Investigation spokesman Mitch Mortvedt agreed that ICE played a "significant role" in the case, particularly in helping confirm Rivera's identity and immigration status.


    My question is, what tactics is ICE doing that is overly harsh?  Are they just doing their job and you don't like the results?

    They are conducting terror raids in minority communities, and in places of business.
    Here, these are literally the first two links from my google search of "ICE raiding communities" (no idea what citylab is, but I know from memory that the incidents they're talking about happened). I have also seen reports on mainstream media since Trump took office about ICE just targeting minority neighborhoods and literally going door to door, pounding on the doors and forcing their ways into homes carrying guns and shit, just wreaking havoc on terrified people in their own homes, not even knowing who they are first. It's even resulted in legal immigrants being caught up in the system. I'm just hoping these few random articles at least present a start for you in terms of getting why some people are feeling pretty anti-ICE, even if they don't have anything against immigration enforcement measures in general (I'm one of those people). There's got to be a better, less traumatizing and inhumane way.

    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/06/immigration-customs-enforcement-ice-raids-community-impact/563039/

    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/immigration-raids-coming-to-a-store-near-you/550289/

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/us/tennessee-immigration-raid-schools-impact/index.html



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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    mcgruff10 said:

    Just to answer the op's question:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-iowa-womans-slaying-hardworking-050313954.html

    Autopsy finds Iowa student killed by 'sharp force injuries'

    The president also said the suspect was "found by" agents from Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, an agency that some liberals have called for abolishing because of tactics they view as overly harsh. An ICE spokesman said Thursday that its agents worked with state and local investigators in "identifying, locating and interviewing the suspect."

    Division of Criminal Investigation spokesman Mitch Mortvedt agreed that ICE played a "significant role" in the case, particularly in helping confirm Rivera's identity and immigration status.


    My question is, what tactics is ICE doing that is overly harsh?  Are they just doing their job and you don't like the results?

    Here’s but one example of probably thousands.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/12/20/mit-custodian-detained-ice-released-from-jail/1YSl73BUGSRRuNcpL5Ar8O/story.html


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