Missoula Poster

Go Beavers

MW3384 said:

There are a lot more Pearl Jam fans that are Trump supporters then some believe maybe even the band; not saying I am; however, I can see how these fans feel alienated between graphic posters and Ed’s rants about Trump. I will say the Trump tax cuts saved my family’s business and 20 employees from losing their job. Obama’s policies of healthcare and over regulation of small business almost caused our 50 year old business to shut down. I also believe there are a number of Pearl Jam fans that will just follow the bands ideas on politics just because their fans. Let’s be clear “it’s a rock the vote for Democrats ideals not a just get out and vote” concert. I am a libertarian but can see both sides. I will say it’s a shame that someone can’t be a Pearl Jam fan and support the other side without being alienated.  There’s no denying Trump has done more in two years with improving the economy, helping vets, and reducing the threat of terror than Obama had in 8 years. At the Chicago shows maybe Pearl Jam will focus their efforts on bringing down a corrupt mayor who is allowing more murders of young black youth than anywhere in the country with the strictest gun control in the US. I guess the theme for the next posters should be dead black youth scattered in the streets with the mayor of Chicago holding a gun. 

trump supporters bring the alienation on themselves. trump is a willfully ignorant, dysfunctional, corrupt, narcissistic, xenophobic bigot who is inept at his job. trump supporters defend all of this either by their blatant support of trump and his policies, or the blind denial of the traits I just listed. 

oftenreading

Vedd Hedd said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

Vedd Hedd said:

BS44325 said:

westbrook36 said:

Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..

Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!

Dont include Alex Jones in that group.    Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck".  Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions.   Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right. 

Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people.   He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence. 

Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.

Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.

All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster. 

Alex Jones is actually inciting violence though. Remember pizzagate? People could have died.

Vedd Hedd said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

Vedd Hedd said:

BS44325 said:

westbrook36 said:

Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..

Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!

Dont include Alex Jones in that group.    Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck".  Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions.   Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right. 

Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people.   He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence. 

Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.

Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.

All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster. 

Alex Jones is actually inciting violence though. Remember pizzagate? People could have died.

And some of the parents of children killed in Sandy Hill have faced unimaginably awful comments and frank threats by Jones’ listeners, with his encouragement. Some have had to move half a dozen times and yet they still stalk and harass and publish their new addresses online. 

Bant

Go Beavers said:

trump supporters bring the alienation on themselves. trump is a willfully ignorant, dysfunctional, corrupt, narcissistic, xenophobic bigot who is inept at his job. trump supporters defend all of this either by their blatant support of trump and his policies, or the blind denial of the traits I just listed. 

That’s some hilarious projection.

If you want to cure your willful ignorance, start listening to Dan Bonginos podcast everyday.

https://youtu.be/dE5gfLo75ME

mrussel1

Bant said:

Go Beavers said:

trump supporters bring the alienation on themselves. trump is a willfully ignorant, dysfunctional, corrupt, narcissistic, xenophobic bigot who is inept at his job. trump supporters defend all of this either by their blatant support of trump and his policies, or the blind denial of the traits I just listed. 

That’s some hilarious projection.

If you want to cure your willful ignorance, start listening to Dan Bonginos podcast everyday.

https://youtu.be/dE5gfLo75ME

Yes, nothing educates you more than listening to the same voice everyday.  

RobZ

As a staunch Independent, I can honestly say I've voted all over the card during the past several years, and my vote is always up for grabs, every cycle....however, Democrats better begin to understand why, after eight years of Obama, and with Hillary on deck to continue his legacy,  how they lost the Presidency, the House, the Senate, two Supreme Court Justices, and over 1000 other democrat state-legislative seats nation-wide.  Hard to belive such a crushing defeat could be delt if the Democrats were doing such a great job, no?  So with the Nov elections right around the  corner, I have to wonder, what is the Democrat campaign platform?...Anybody?? I ask, becuase I dont think anybody really knows!!...I've yet to hear any of the party leaders spell it out!  The current state of the Democrat Party appears dysfunctional and broken, and I got news for them, simply being anti-Trump and screaming "Russia", is not going to win any elections....heck, it may just allow Trump another term.  

mrussel1

RobZ said:

As a staunch Independent, I can honestly say I've voted all over the card during the past several years, and my vote is always up for grabs, every cycle....however, Democrats better begin to understand why, after eight years of Obama, and with Hillary on deck to continue his legacy,  how they lost the Presidency, the House, the Senate, two Supreme Court Justices, and over 1000 other democrat state-legislative seats nation-wide.  Hard to belive such a crushing defeat could be delt if the Democrats were doing such a great job, no?  So with the Nov elections right around the  corner, I have to wonder, what is the Democrat campaign platform?...Anybody?? I ask, becuase I dont think anybody really knows!!...I've yet to hear any of the party leaders spell it out!  The current state of the Democrat Party appears dysfunctional and broken, and I got news for them, simply being anti-Trump and screaming "Russia", is not going to win any elections....heck, it may just allow Trump another term.  

It wasn't a crushing defeat.  Democrats won a majority of the popular vote and lost 3 key states by a few thousand votes, handing him the election. Your narrative if false.  Now the losses at the state level are more problematic.  The Democrats had not done nearly enough at the local level at investing in the state delegate races.  That has changed, but it will take several years to recoup the gains.  They did wipe away the Republicans in VA already though.  

Nami

even the wife wants this one....cmon Santos drop a pssstt

Sarava

mrussel1 said:

RobZ said:

As a staunch Independent, I can honestly say I've voted all over the card during the past several years, and my vote is always up for grabs, every cycle....however, Democrats better begin to understand why, after eight years of Obama, and with Hillary on deck to continue his legacy,  how they lost the Presidency, the House, the Senate, two Supreme Court Justices, and over 1000 other democrat state-legislative seats nation-wide.  Hard to belive such a crushing defeat could be delt if the Democrats were doing such a great job, no?  So with the Nov elections right around the  corner, I have to wonder, what is the Democrat campaign platform?...Anybody?? I ask, becuase I dont think anybody really knows!!...I've yet to hear any of the party leaders spell it out!  The current state of the Democrat Party appears dysfunctional and broken, and I got news for them, simply being anti-Trump and screaming "Russia", is not going to win any elections....heck, it may just allow Trump another term.  

It wasn't a crushing defeat.  Democrats won a majority of the popular vote and lost 3 key states by a few thousand votes, handing him the election. Your narrative if false.  Now the losses at the state level are more problematic.  The Democrats had not done nearly enough at the local level at investing in the state delegate races.  That has changed, but it will take several years to recoup the gains.  They did wipe away the Republicans in VA already though.  

If I'm reading it right, I think you misread his post. He wasn't saying it was crushing as in a landslide. It was crushing as in everybody thought Hillary was going to roll to an easy win. Rachel Maddow had a funny piece on the air in the days leading up to the election, where she was going on and on about how even if Trump wins every single swing state - he still can't win. But he did. That was crushing.

Go Beavers

Bant said:

Go Beavers said:

trump supporters bring the alienation on themselves. trump is a willfully ignorant, dysfunctional, corrupt, narcissistic, xenophobic bigot who is inept at his job. trump supporters defend all of this either by their blatant support of trump and his policies, or the blind denial of the traits I just listed. 

That’s some hilarious projection.

If you want to cure your willful ignorance, start listening to Dan Bonginos podcast everyday.

https://youtu.be/dE5gfLo75ME

I’d rather have you cure my ignorance. 

3days

The way I interpreted this poster was that the White House has become a dumpster fire, with the President becoming a victim of his own ignorance.

I don't agree that the purpose of this poster was to condone violence. I'm disappointed by one aspect of what Tester's spokesman said: "We don't like it". That person seemed to imply that they don't like it, because they feel it condones violence. 

How does it condone violence?

3days

mrussel1 said:

RobZ said:

As a staunch Independent, I can honestly say I've voted all over the card during the past several years, and my vote is always up for grabs, every cycle....however, Democrats better begin to understand why, after eight years of Obama, and with Hillary on deck to continue his legacy,  how they lost the Presidency, the House, the Senate, two Supreme Court Justices, and over 1000 other democrat state-legislative seats nation-wide.  Hard to belive such a crushing defeat could be delt if the Democrats were doing such a great job, no?  So with the Nov elections right around the  corner, I have to wonder, what is the Democrat campaign platform?...Anybody?? I ask, becuase I dont think anybody really knows!!...I've yet to hear any of the party leaders spell it out!  The current state of the Democrat Party appears dysfunctional and broken, and I got news for them, simply being anti-Trump and screaming "Russia", is not going to win any elections....heck, it may just allow Trump another term.  

It wasn't a crushing defeat.  Democrats won a majority of the popular vote and lost 3 key states by a few thousand votes, handing him the election. Your narrative if false.  Now the losses at the state level are more problematic.  The Democrats had not done nearly enough at the local level at investing in the state delegate races.  That has changed, but it will take several years to recoup the gains.  They did wipe away the Republicans in VA already though.  

I agree. Dems need to get organized QUICK.

Bant

Go Beavers said:

Bant said:

Go Beavers said:

trump supporters bring the alienation on themselves. trump is a willfully ignorant, dysfunctional, corrupt, narcissistic, xenophobic bigot who is inept at his job. trump supporters defend all of this either by their blatant support of trump and his policies, or the blind denial of the traits I just listed. 

That’s some hilarious projection.

If you want to cure your willful ignorance, start listening to Dan Bonginos podcast everyday.

https://youtu.be/dE5gfLo75ME

I’d rather have you cure my ignorance. 

I’m not going to hold your hand.
 
But FYI, he’s a former secret service agent for Obama and Bush.

Ledbetterman10

Go Beavers said:

MW3384 said:

There are a lot more Pearl Jam fans that are Trump supporters then some believe maybe even the band; not saying I am; however, I can see how these fans feel alienated between graphic posters and Ed’s rants about Trump. I will say the Trump tax cuts saved my family’s business and 20 employees from losing their job. Obama’s policies of healthcare and over regulation of small business almost caused our 50 year old business to shut down. I also believe there are a number of Pearl Jam fans that will just follow the bands ideas on politics just because their fans. Let’s be clear “it’s a rock the vote for Democrats ideals not a just get out and vote” concert. I am a libertarian but can see both sides. I will say it’s a shame that someone can’t be a Pearl Jam fan and support the other side without being alienated.  There’s no denying Trump has done more in two years with improving the economy, helping vets, and reducing the threat of terror than Obama had in 8 years. At the Chicago shows maybe Pearl Jam will focus their efforts on bringing down a corrupt mayor who is allowing more murders of young black youth than anywhere in the country with the strictest gun control in the US. I guess the theme for the next posters should be dead black youth scattered in the streets with the mayor of Chicago holding a gun. 

trump supporters bring the alienation on themselves. trump is a willfully ignorant, dysfunctional, corrupt, narcissistic, xenophobic bigot who is inept at his job. trump supporters defend all of this either by their blatant support of trump and his policies, or the blind denial of the traits I just listed. 

I think there's a fair amount of closeted Trump supporters out there; people that don't want to be made fun of (or worse) for supporting him. Maybe to a degree, MW3384 is one of them. He says he doesn't support Trump. But what does the word "support" mean anyway these days? It seems to mean "I blindly agree with everything this guy says and does." That's the "Trump Supporter" people think of wearing a MAGA hat and chanting "Build the wall." But what if someone believed, as I think MW3384 may, "I think he's a bigoted, corrupt, classless, embarrassment to our country....but his tax cuts saved my family business from going under so he's got my vote in 2020." Would that be blatant support of xenophobic bigotry? Or just using his vote his own good?

mrussel1

Sarava said:

mrussel1 said:

RobZ said:

As a staunch Independent, I can honestly say I've voted all over the card during the past several years, and my vote is always up for grabs, every cycle....however, Democrats better begin to understand why, after eight years of Obama, and with Hillary on deck to continue his legacy,  how they lost the Presidency, the House, the Senate, two Supreme Court Justices, and over 1000 other democrat state-legislative seats nation-wide.  Hard to belive such a crushing defeat could be delt if the Democrats were doing such a great job, no?  So with the Nov elections right around the  corner, I have to wonder, what is the Democrat campaign platform?...Anybody?? I ask, becuase I dont think anybody really knows!!...I've yet to hear any of the party leaders spell it out!  The current state of the Democrat Party appears dysfunctional and broken, and I got news for them, simply being anti-Trump and screaming "Russia", is not going to win any elections....heck, it may just allow Trump another term.  

It wasn't a crushing defeat.  Democrats won a majority of the popular vote and lost 3 key states by a few thousand votes, handing him the election. Your narrative if false.  Now the losses at the state level are more problematic.  The Democrats had not done nearly enough at the local level at investing in the state delegate races.  That has changed, but it will take several years to recoup the gains.  They did wipe away the Republicans in VA already though.  

If I'm reading it right, I think you misread his post. He wasn't saying it was crushing as in a landslide. It was crushing as in everybody thought Hillary was going to roll to an easy win. Rachel Maddow had a funny piece on the air in the days leading up to the election, where she was going on and on about how even if Trump wins every single swing state - he still can't win. But he did. That was crushing.

okay..perhaps. 

evsgjamm

HOLY SHIT EBAY IS ON FIRE! This poster is nailing down $400-$600 lol Bids are flying in on most of the listings. 

Wobbie

MW3384 said:  There’s no denying Trump has done more in two years with improving the economy, helping vets, and reducing the threat of terror than Obama had in 8 years. 

only facts.

yeah, the stock market is great. companies do better when they don’t have to worry about the planet.

trump (aka sgt. bone spurs) hasn’t done jack shit for veterans.

”threat of terror”....yeah, right.

BTW...revoking the security clearance of a detractor is a dictator move.

Merkin Baller

Wobbie said:

MW3384 said:  There’s no denying Trump has done more in two years with improving the economy, helping vets, and reducing the threat of terror than Obama had in 8 years. 

only facts.

yeah, the stock market is great. companies do better when they don’t have to worry about the planet.

trump (aka sgt. bone spurs) hasn’t done jack shit for veterans.

”threat of terror”....yeah, right.

BTW...revoking the security clearance of a detractor is a dictator move.

Funny you should mention that last point:

“Eleven former CIA chiefs and one former DNI head - who have served under GOP and Democratic presidents - issue joint statement tonight raising alarms at Trump’s move to strip Brennan of his security clearance, calling it “an attempt to stifle free speech.””

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1030279801175764994?s=21

Wobbie

Merkin Baller said:

Wobbie said:

MW3384 said:  There’s no denying Trump has done more in two years with improving the economy, helping vets, and reducing the threat of terror than Obama had in 8 years. 

only facts.

yeah, the stock market is great. companies do better when they don’t have to worry about the planet.

trump (aka sgt. bone spurs) hasn’t done jack shit for veterans.

”threat of terror”....yeah, right.

BTW...revoking the security clearance of a detractor is a dictator move.

Funny you should mention that last point:

“Eleven former CIA chiefs and one former DNI head - who have served under GOP and Democratic presidents - issue joint statement tonight raising alarms at Trump’s move to strip Brennan of his security clearance, calling it “an attempt to stifle free speech.””

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1030279801175764994?s=21

“funny”.....but not funny at all.

mattsavard

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Oh my god people no one gives a shit.  Let it go.  I just woke up from a nap and opened this thread and ya’ll are carrying on still.  Your lives aren’t going to change whether or not stzrok still has his job.  

Yeah, some people do give a shit. I think you meant to say "I don't give a shit" maybe? If that's the case, this post of yours is probably very unnecessary.

Thanks for your input from another country!

Well Trump now has company on the Xenophobic/Nationalist score card. 

mattsavard

MW3384 said:

There are a lot more Pearl Jam fans that are Trump supporters then some believe maybe even the band; not saying I am; however, I can see how these fans feel alienated between graphic posters and Ed’s rants about Trump. I will say the Trump tax cuts saved my family’s business and 20 employees from losing their job. Obama’s policies of healthcare and over regulation of small business almost caused our 50 year old business to shut down. I also believe there are a number of Pearl Jam fans that will just follow the bands ideas on politics just because their fans. Let’s be clear “it’s a rock the vote for Democrats ideals not a just get out and vote” concert. I am a libertarian but can see both sides. I will say it’s a shame that someone can’t be a Pearl Jam fan and support the other side without being alienated.  There’s no denying Trump has done more in two years with improving the economy, helping vets, and reducing the threat of terror than Obama had in 8 years. At the Chicago shows maybe Pearl Jam will focus their efforts on bringing down a corrupt mayor who is allowing more murders of young black youth than anywhere in the country with the strictest gun control in the US. I guess the theme for the next posters should be dead black youth scattered in the streets with the mayor of Chicago holding a gun. 

As a fellow Libertarian, I’m sorta with you... (though ya got a little sideways in there at points) 

There are a lot more of us, but many are just tired of being shouted down by the same 10-15 posters for not toeng the party line. 

Free thought is to be treated with the utmost respect unless it conflicts with the agenda.... then shout it down or burn them at the stake. 

Fuck the left. Fuck the right. Sanity lies in the grey between, unbeholden to your red or blue masters.

                          Drop the leash. 


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