*** Missoula, MT Fanviews Here 8/13/18 ***

ikiT

You're one with negativity 
Yes, comfort is an energy 
But why let the sad song play?

ikiT

Carry on.

kerbjack

just wonder if one of the guys pissed off in this thread was the one called out before Bee Girl?

blackhawks

They were in the 10C GA area so I wondered what member was doing what in there.

BS44325

Tiki said:

BS44325 said:

ForceofNature101 said:

BS44325 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

If your complaining about going to concert built around voting and its pj and ur upset they spoke about politics then ur a moron. Plain and simple. It’s like a vegetarian going to a steak house and bitching about it smelling like meat. No one forced you to buy a tix and go. Get over it

Here is where I think people have a somewhat legitimate beef...

The shows were announced on January 24 2018

https://pearljam.com/news/announcing-the-away-shows

If you read the announcement there is no mention of this being an official Rock2Vote show. Tickets then went on sale February 7th and some fans might have purchased tickets thinking Missoula would be a standard PJ rock show.

On April 18 2018 it was all of a sudden announced that Missoula would be "recognized as Rock2Vote"

https://pearljam.com/news/rock2vote-in-missoula-mt

The announcement is detailed but not completely clear that the nature of the show has now changed. It isn't specified that it is now a "benefit show" which Ed said multiple times from the stage. My guess is as the show approached, along with election season, Jeff and the band got excited and the Rock2Vote aspect took over more and more. 

Here is where the problem exists...In my opinion it isn't completely on the up and up to sell tickets to the show under certain pretences and then change those pretences later on. While people definitely expect politics at PJ shows there might have been some fans who would have chosen otherwise had they known it would be a Rock2Vote show from the get go. Personally I would have still bought a ticket regardless because I like "off the beaten path" venues and desperately wanted to go camping in Montana but others might have made different plans. The Rock2Vote aspect should have been specified from the get go as not everybody wants a "benefit show".

Although honestly how different is a Rock2Vote show from a regular Pearl Jam show besides just a teeny bit more political banter in between songs?  

It’s not the politics. It’s the boring. Rule number 1 of any rock show is don’t be boring. This was the first of more then 40 where I was slightly bored. No dragon energy. Was it because of Rock2Vote? I don’t know...my gut tells me that once it became a “benefit concert” it changed the vibe. Again...it’s the band’s perogative but to some it came off boring.

Stay home next time OR go to see Three Doors Down.  Problem solved.

https://www.3doorsdown.com/#!/events

I guess you're one of those who think people are not allowed an opinion on a show. Not their best. Sorry. Too much Kryptonite.

ScottyBlack

kerbjack said:

just wonder if one of the guys pissed off in this thread was the one called out before Bee Girl?

There's more people in this thread that are pissed off that some people are not praising the show and acting like every PJ show is a gift from god.  Stop acting like every single show is a mind blowing event, and if you don't feel that way then you are not worthy of seeing the band live anymore.  I've been a massive fan of the band since the beginning, and have been to MANY MANY shows...  and this was by far my least favorite one.   The set list was not constructed very well.  There was no flow at all...    Ed kept saying it was a benefit show, when it wasn't advertised that way....  he also read pre-written speeches word for word from a piece of paper, which was weird.
The best part of the show was the crowd energy, the setting, and the town of Missoula and surrounding area...   absolutely phenomenal!!   

ScottyBlack

It's just unfortunate that this show had to be different from the rest of the shows on the tour...

JH6056

BS44325 said:

Tiki said:

BS44325 said:

ForceofNature101 said:

BS44325 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

If your complaining about going to concert built around voting and its pj and ur upset they spoke about politics then ur a moron. Plain and simple. It’s like a vegetarian going to a steak house and bitching about it smelling like meat. No one forced you to buy a tix and go. Get over it

Here is where I think people have a somewhat legitimate beef...

The shows were announced on January 24 2018

https://pearljam.com/news/announcing-the-away-shows

If you read the announcement there is no mention of this being an official Rock2Vote show. Tickets then went on sale February 7th and some fans might have purchased tickets thinking Missoula would be a standard PJ rock show.

On April 18 2018 it was all of a sudden announced that Missoula would be "recognized as Rock2Vote"

https://pearljam.com/news/rock2vote-in-missoula-mt

The announcement is detailed but not completely clear that the nature of the show has now changed. It isn't specified that it is now a "benefit show" which Ed said multiple times from the stage. My guess is as the show approached, along with election season, Jeff and the band got excited and the Rock2Vote aspect took over more and more. 

Here is where the problem exists...In my opinion it isn't completely on the up and up to sell tickets to the show under certain pretences and then change those pretences later on. While people definitely expect politics at PJ shows there might have been some fans who would have chosen otherwise had they known it would be a Rock2Vote show from the get go. Personally I would have still bought a ticket regardless because I like "off the beaten path" venues and desperately wanted to go camping in Montana but others might have made different plans. The Rock2Vote aspect should have been specified from the get go as not everybody wants a "benefit show".

Although honestly how different is a Rock2Vote show from a regular Pearl Jam show besides just a teeny bit more political banter in between songs?  

It’s not the politics. It’s the boring. Rule number 1 of any rock show is don’t be boring. This was the first of more then 40 where I was slightly bored. No dragon energy. Was it because of Rock2Vote? I don’t know...my gut tells me that once it became a “benefit concert” it changed the vibe. Again...it’s the band’s perogative but to some it came off boring.

Stay home next time OR go to see Three Doors Down.  Problem solved.

https://www.3doorsdown.com/#!/events

I guess you're one of those who think people are not allowed an opinion on a show. Not their best. Sorry. Too much Kryptonite.

Ya know, if you pay attention to this thread, the people who said this show didn't do it for them but don't accuse the band of false advertising or act like somehow the political content of the show was a shock, none of them are getting the reaction you are.  It is FINE to say that a show didn't do it for you, or you didn't like it, or it wasn't their strongest show or was the worst show you've seen them do.

It's because you (and a few others) insist that somehow you were duped or this was unexpected that you're getting responses like the last one.  Because if you've been paying attention AT ALL to PJ's songs and live shows (did anyone mention they've been like this for 28 yrs yet?  Cuz that's worth mentioning, if it wasn't mentioned... ), this show was in line with who they are and how they are live.

But note, even with your opinion which so many of us disagree with, NO ONE is saying you shouldn't express your opinion.  

You just don't like the reactions to your opinion and the points made that we're all wondering which band you thought you were seeing.  And it's also your right not to like that response, but if you keep imagining people trying to silence you, you'll keep getting these reactions.  Because we're ALL allowed to express our opinions about shows and respond to others' posts here.  Not just you.

ikiT

He likes Trumpito.  He's a big fan.

ikiT

Not sure why he didn't wear his MAGA hat to the show.

ikiT

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

If your complaining about going to concert built around voting and its pj and ur upset they spoke about politics then ur a moron. Plain and simple. It’s like a vegetarian going to a steak house and bitching about it smelling like meat. No one forced you to buy a tix and go. Get over it

Here is where I think people have a somewhat legitimate beef...

The shows were announced on January 24 2018

https://pearljam.com/news/announcing-the-away-shows

If you read the announcement there is no mention of this being an official Rock2Vote show. Tickets then went on sale February 7th and some fans might have purchased tickets thinking Missoula would be a standard PJ rock show.

On April 18 2018 it was all of a sudden announced that Missoula would be "recognized as Rock2Vote"

https://pearljam.com/news/rock2vote-in-missoula-mt

The announcement is detailed but not completely clear that the nature of the show has now changed. It isn't specified that it is now a "benefit show" which Ed said multiple times from the stage. My guess is as the show approached, along with election season, Jeff and the band got excited and the Rock2Vote aspect took over more and more. 

Here is where the problem exists...In my opinion it isn't completely on the up and up to sell tickets to the show under certain pretences and then change those pretences later on. While people definitely expect politics at PJ shows there might have been some fans who would have chosen otherwise had they known it would be a Rock2Vote show from the get go. Personally I would have still bought a ticket regardless because I like "off the beaten path" venues and desperately wanted to go camping in Montana but others might have made different plans. The Rock2Vote aspect should have been specified from the get go as not everybody wants a "benefit show".

if you decide to skip a pj show because of what ed might say in between songs, you are going to the wrong band's shows. 

I agree but I also understand that not everybody wants their money to go to or be associated with Planned Parenthood.

JF60288

I'd like to preface my thoughts about the show by saying I enjoyed every minute of it and I would gladly wait in line 12 hours all over again to get a good spot (just a little to the right of Stone a few people between me and the rail).

That being said if felt like it took them 30 mins or so to get up to speed.  Like something was missing at first and they weren't 100% into it.  They definitely came into stride though.  The setlist wasn't my favorite but I don't know if there's such a thing as a bad Pearl Jam setlist.  Maybe as it got darker out that's when things started to get better?  Regarding the banter.  It was fine.  I had nothing against it but given the choice I would trade a little banter for another song or two.  The end of the show did feel a little abrupt.  Maybe it was because of only one encore?  Not real sure but it just felt kind of weird, kind of off.  

I would definitely echo that it was great seeing Stone and his solos and watching him get in the groove.  I had a blast watching him shine.  I wish I could remember the song but there was one where Boom was just killing it and you could feel the energy coming off of him.  You could see how passionate he was and how much he was loving it.  

All in all, of course it was an amazing show.  The sound was incredible and they were all playing great.  There was just something that was a little strange about it that I can't quite put my finger on.  It didn't feel the same.  All the 10C people were amazing except the lady next to my girlfriend who complained about every person that went to the bathroom before the show started and the two drunk guys that tried to barge their way to the front before Bee Girl.  Really glad Eddie helped out with that.  This was my only show for the year and I'll never forget it.  Can't wait until I can see them again. 

blackhawks

What does who a person voted for havento do with how they enjoyed the show.  Don’t be the lowest denominator person throwing the Trump name out at convenience. 

Go Beavers

blackhawks said:

What does who a person voted for havento do with how they enjoyed the show.  Don’t be the lowest denominator person throwing the Trump name out at convenience. 

Ask the trump voters. They’re always upset about something. 

ikiT

blackhawks said:

What does who a person voted for havento do with how they enjoyed the show.  Don’t be the lowest denominator person throwing the Trump name out at convenience. 

PLENTY.

I seen that guy on the train...

BS44325

JH6056 said:

BS44325 said:

Tiki said:

BS44325 said:

ForceofNature101 said:

BS44325 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

If your complaining about going to concert built around voting and its pj and ur upset they spoke about politics then ur a moron. Plain and simple. It’s like a vegetarian going to a steak house and bitching about it smelling like meat. No one forced you to buy a tix and go. Get over it

Here is where I think people have a somewhat legitimate beef...

The shows were announced on January 24 2018

https://pearljam.com/news/announcing-the-away-shows

If you read the announcement there is no mention of this being an official Rock2Vote show. Tickets then went on sale February 7th and some fans might have purchased tickets thinking Missoula would be a standard PJ rock show.

On April 18 2018 it was all of a sudden announced that Missoula would be "recognized as Rock2Vote"

https://pearljam.com/news/rock2vote-in-missoula-mt

The announcement is detailed but not completely clear that the nature of the show has now changed. It isn't specified that it is now a "benefit show" which Ed said multiple times from the stage. My guess is as the show approached, along with election season, Jeff and the band got excited and the Rock2Vote aspect took over more and more. 

Here is where the problem exists...In my opinion it isn't completely on the up and up to sell tickets to the show under certain pretences and then change those pretences later on. While people definitely expect politics at PJ shows there might have been some fans who would have chosen otherwise had they known it would be a Rock2Vote show from the get go. Personally I would have still bought a ticket regardless because I like "off the beaten path" venues and desperately wanted to go camping in Montana but others might have made different plans. The Rock2Vote aspect should have been specified from the get go as not everybody wants a "benefit show".

Although honestly how different is a Rock2Vote show from a regular Pearl Jam show besides just a teeny bit more political banter in between songs?  

It’s not the politics. It’s the boring. Rule number 1 of any rock show is don’t be boring. This was the first of more then 40 where I was slightly bored. No dragon energy. Was it because of Rock2Vote? I don’t know...my gut tells me that once it became a “benefit concert” it changed the vibe. Again...it’s the band’s perogative but to some it came off boring.

Stay home next time OR go to see Three Doors Down.  Problem solved.

https://www.3doorsdown.com/#!/events

I guess you're one of those who think people are not allowed an opinion on a show. Not their best. Sorry. Too much Kryptonite.

Ya know, if you pay attention to this thread, the people who said this show didn't do it for them but don't accuse the band of false advertising or act like somehow the political content of the show was a shock, none of them are getting the reaction you are.  It is FINE to say that a show didn't do it for you, or you didn't like it, or it wasn't their strongest show or was the worst show you've seen them do.

It's because you (and a few others) insist that somehow you were duped or this was unexpected that you're getting responses like the last one.  Because if you've been paying attention AT ALL to PJ's songs and live shows (did anyone mention they've been like this for 28 yrs yet?  Cuz that's worth mentioning, if it wasn't mentioned... ), this show was in line with who they are and how they are live.

But note, even with your opinion which so many of us disagree with, NO ONE is saying you shouldn't express your opinion.  

You just don't like the reactions to your opinion and the points made that we're all wondering which band you thought you were seeing.  And it's also your right not to like that response, but if you keep imagining people trying to silence you, you'll keep getting these reactions.  Because we're ALL allowed to express our opinions about shows and respond to others' posts here.  Not just you.

I have no problems with reactions to my opinion. What I can't stand are people who don't read the opinions prior to reacting. I don't insist I was "duped". I know who this band is and what they stand for...everybody on the forum knows who they are and what they stand for. I stated that I would have bought a ticket to this show no matter what and even though I didn't love it I don't regret it for a second...I had an amazing 4 days in Montana. But it is a fact that this show was announced as one thing and became another. It is a fact that it turned into a "benefit show" and it is a fact that it is getting mixed reviews. In a lot of people's minds the show was "off" and I am postulating that the theme contributed to it. Who can really say but a vibe starts from the top and "benefit shows" and "rock shows" do not always turn out the same. Form follows function.

BS44325

ScottyBlack said:

kerbjack said:

just wonder if one of the guys pissed off in this thread was the one called out before Bee Girl?

There's more people in this thread that are pissed off that some people are not praising the show and acting like every PJ show is a gift from god.  Stop acting like every single show is a mind blowing event, and if you don't feel that way then you are not worthy of seeing the band live anymore.  I've been a massive fan of the band since the beginning, and have been to MANY MANY shows...  and this was by far my least favorite one.   The set list was not constructed very well.  There was no flow at all...    Ed kept saying it was a benefit show, when it wasn't advertised that way....  he also read pre-written speeches word for word from a piece of paper, which was weird.
The best part of the show was the crowd energy, the setting, and the town of Missoula and surrounding area...   absolutely phenomenal!!   

Exactly...

The reading of the pre-written speech was actually a key part that blew it for me. It wasn't the content of the speech...pretty typical for Ed and not controversial...but there was that moment he looked down at his notes to remind himself to say the word "corruption" that was so off. A lot of people around me laughed. Weird indeed.

Go Beavers

BS44325 said:

JH6056 said:

BS44325 said:

Tiki said:

BS44325 said:

ForceofNature101 said:

BS44325 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

If your complaining about going to concert built around voting and its pj and ur upset they spoke about politics then ur a moron. Plain and simple. It’s like a vegetarian going to a steak house and bitching about it smelling like meat. No one forced you to buy a tix and go. Get over it

Here is where I think people have a somewhat legitimate beef...

The shows were announced on January 24 2018

https://pearljam.com/news/announcing-the-away-shows

If you read the announcement there is no mention of this being an official Rock2Vote show. Tickets then went on sale February 7th and some fans might have purchased tickets thinking Missoula would be a standard PJ rock show.

On April 18 2018 it was all of a sudden announced that Missoula would be "recognized as Rock2Vote"

https://pearljam.com/news/rock2vote-in-missoula-mt

The announcement is detailed but not completely clear that the nature of the show has now changed. It isn't specified that it is now a "benefit show" which Ed said multiple times from the stage. My guess is as the show approached, along with election season, Jeff and the band got excited and the Rock2Vote aspect took over more and more. 

Here is where the problem exists...In my opinion it isn't completely on the up and up to sell tickets to the show under certain pretences and then change those pretences later on. While people definitely expect politics at PJ shows there might have been some fans who would have chosen otherwise had they known it would be a Rock2Vote show from the get go. Personally I would have still bought a ticket regardless because I like "off the beaten path" venues and desperately wanted to go camping in Montana but others might have made different plans. The Rock2Vote aspect should have been specified from the get go as not everybody wants a "benefit show".

Although honestly how different is a Rock2Vote show from a regular Pearl Jam show besides just a teeny bit more political banter in between songs?  

It’s not the politics. It’s the boring. Rule number 1 of any rock show is don’t be boring. This was the first of more then 40 where I was slightly bored. No dragon energy. Was it because of Rock2Vote? I don’t know...my gut tells me that once it became a “benefit concert” it changed the vibe. Again...it’s the band’s perogative but to some it came off boring.

Stay home next time OR go to see Three Doors Down.  Problem solved.

https://www.3doorsdown.com/#!/events

I guess you're one of those who think people are not allowed an opinion on a show. Not their best. Sorry. Too much Kryptonite.

Ya know, if you pay attention to this thread, the people who said this show didn't do it for them but don't accuse the band of false advertising or act like somehow the political content of the show was a shock, none of them are getting the reaction you are.  It is FINE to say that a show didn't do it for you, or you didn't like it, or it wasn't their strongest show or was the worst show you've seen them do.

It's because you (and a few others) insist that somehow you were duped or this was unexpected that you're getting responses like the last one.  Because if you've been paying attention AT ALL to PJ's songs and live shows (did anyone mention they've been like this for 28 yrs yet?  Cuz that's worth mentioning, if it wasn't mentioned... ), this show was in line with who they are and how they are live.

But note, even with your opinion which so many of us disagree with, NO ONE is saying you shouldn't express your opinion.  

You just don't like the reactions to your opinion and the points made that we're all wondering which band you thought you were seeing.  And it's also your right not to like that response, but if you keep imagining people trying to silence you, you'll keep getting these reactions.  Because we're ALL allowed to express our opinions about shows and respond to others' posts here.  Not just you.

I have no problems with reactions to my opinion. What I can't stand are people who don't read the opinions prior to reacting. I don't insist I was "duped". I know who this band is and what they stand for...everybody on the forum knows who they are and what they stand for. I stated that I would have bought a ticket to this show no matter what and even though I didn't love it I don't regret it for a second...I had an amazing 4 days in Montana. But it is a fact that this show was announced as one thing and became another. It is a fact that it turned into a "benefit show" and it is a fact that it is getting mixed reviews. In a lot of people's minds the show was "off" and I am postulating that the theme contributed to it. Who can really say but a vibe starts from the top and "benefit shows" and "rock shows" do not always turn out the same. Form follows function.

Or look at the show objectively and integrate that with people’s reactions. Which I said earlier is about the song selection, the tempo of the songs chosen, and the order they were played in. The band seemed to be thoroughly into it and enjoying themselves, so I’m ruling that out of the vibe equation.  

BS44325

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

JH6056 said:

BS44325 said:

Tiki said:

BS44325 said:

ForceofNature101 said:

BS44325 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

If your complaining about going to concert built around voting and its pj and ur upset they spoke about politics then ur a moron. Plain and simple. It’s like a vegetarian going to a steak house and bitching about it smelling like meat. No one forced you to buy a tix and go. Get over it

Here is where I think people have a somewhat legitimate beef...

The shows were announced on January 24 2018

https://pearljam.com/news/announcing-the-away-shows

If you read the announcement there is no mention of this being an official Rock2Vote show. Tickets then went on sale February 7th and some fans might have purchased tickets thinking Missoula would be a standard PJ rock show.

On April 18 2018 it was all of a sudden announced that Missoula would be "recognized as Rock2Vote"

https://pearljam.com/news/rock2vote-in-missoula-mt

The announcement is detailed but not completely clear that the nature of the show has now changed. It isn't specified that it is now a "benefit show" which Ed said multiple times from the stage. My guess is as the show approached, along with election season, Jeff and the band got excited and the Rock2Vote aspect took over more and more. 

Here is where the problem exists...In my opinion it isn't completely on the up and up to sell tickets to the show under certain pretences and then change those pretences later on. While people definitely expect politics at PJ shows there might have been some fans who would have chosen otherwise had they known it would be a Rock2Vote show from the get go. Personally I would have still bought a ticket regardless because I like "off the beaten path" venues and desperately wanted to go camping in Montana but others might have made different plans. The Rock2Vote aspect should have been specified from the get go as not everybody wants a "benefit show".

Although honestly how different is a Rock2Vote show from a regular Pearl Jam show besides just a teeny bit more political banter in between songs?  

It’s not the politics. It’s the boring. Rule number 1 of any rock show is don’t be boring. This was the first of more then 40 where I was slightly bored. No dragon energy. Was it because of Rock2Vote? I don’t know...my gut tells me that once it became a “benefit concert” it changed the vibe. Again...it’s the band’s perogative but to some it came off boring.

Stay home next time OR go to see Three Doors Down.  Problem solved.

https://www.3doorsdown.com/#!/events

I guess you're one of those who think people are not allowed an opinion on a show. Not their best. Sorry. Too much Kryptonite.

Ya know, if you pay attention to this thread, the people who said this show didn't do it for them but don't accuse the band of false advertising or act like somehow the political content of the show was a shock, none of them are getting the reaction you are.  It is FINE to say that a show didn't do it for you, or you didn't like it, or it wasn't their strongest show or was the worst show you've seen them do.

It's because you (and a few others) insist that somehow you were duped or this was unexpected that you're getting responses like the last one.  Because if you've been paying attention AT ALL to PJ's songs and live shows (did anyone mention they've been like this for 28 yrs yet?  Cuz that's worth mentioning, if it wasn't mentioned... ), this show was in line with who they are and how they are live.

But note, even with your opinion which so many of us disagree with, NO ONE is saying you shouldn't express your opinion.  

You just don't like the reactions to your opinion and the points made that we're all wondering which band you thought you were seeing.  And it's also your right not to like that response, but if you keep imagining people trying to silence you, you'll keep getting these reactions.  Because we're ALL allowed to express our opinions about shows and respond to others' posts here.  Not just you.

I have no problems with reactions to my opinion. What I can't stand are people who don't read the opinions prior to reacting. I don't insist I was "duped". I know who this band is and what they stand for...everybody on the forum knows who they are and what they stand for. I stated that I would have bought a ticket to this show no matter what and even though I didn't love it I don't regret it for a second...I had an amazing 4 days in Montana. But it is a fact that this show was announced as one thing and became another. It is a fact that it turned into a "benefit show" and it is a fact that it is getting mixed reviews. In a lot of people's minds the show was "off" and I am postulating that the theme contributed to it. Who can really say but a vibe starts from the top and "benefit shows" and "rock shows" do not always turn out the same. Form follows function.

Or look at the show objectively and integrate that with people’s reactions. Which I said earlier is about the song selection, the tempo of the songs chosen, and the order they were played in. The band seemed to be thoroughly into it and enjoying themselves, so I’m ruling that out of the vibe equation.  

Absolutely...but did song selection, tempo, and order stem from the theme? This is what I am postulating. Also you can have a show where the band is thoroughly enjoying themselves while some in the crowd are less then enthused. Finally...I said earlier that I loved Throw Your Hatred Down big time...most redeeming song of the night if you asked me. Stone completely went off and it was a thing of beauty.

ikiT

blah blah blah BORING