*** Missoula, MT Fanviews Here 8/13/18 ***

Red Mosquito

Terrific show. Band sounded incredible and was energetic on a beautiful evening to be outside. Amazing time. 

However, anyone else have trouble buying beer? I tried to get one late first set and the woman told me I needed to buy a drink ticket. I asked where to buy drink tickets, and she said they were sold out. I said, “So I have money, you have beer, yet we cannot make a transaction?” She said correct. Weird.

Jearlpam0925

ScottyBlack said:

I travelled a long distance to Missoula for a Pearl Jam concert....  not a political rally 

You know you were seeing Pearl Jam right?

PJWGIII

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Sea said:

Sea said:

The Fanview threads for Fanviews. It's ok to begin another thread on discussions of other topics and/or debates.

Please stop derailing topic integrity.

Please stop derailing topic integrity. Take off topic discussion to another thread. This thread is for fans to review the show. Thank you.

In all honesty, how are comments about the show's political aspects not relevant or within the spectrum of a 'review'?

100%. I've respected all of Sea's mod decisions, but this is the first time I have to respectfully disagree.
This is 100% a discussion about the show. So the band is allowed to speak freely and promotes that, but their fans cannot? That's just not true.

Sea

Of course you can discuss the politics but also review a show. This is a fanview thread for fans to review the show they attended. 

JH6056

This whole discussion has been about people's experiences of the show and dialogue about how this show and the politics in it does or doesn't compare to other shows, and also their expectations of the show and then their reality of the show.  But the whole discussion (for once LOL!) seems to have stuck to the Missoula show itself and what happened during it.  Which part Sea do you feel doesn't fit in a fanview?  Just want to make sure we're clear about where you see the line falling between appropriate for fanview and not appropriate.

Saltzy23

My thing is that A. music is supposed to be an escape from all the shit going on in the world.  I can turn on TV and hear 10,000 talking heads drone on and on about the current state of affairs.  I go to these show to try and get away from what sucks in life, not just hear more about it and B. as much as I love Eddie, he's not gonna change people's minds.  Either you realize Trump is a cancerous pile of dogshit that is destroying this country and are gonna vote and do what you can to get him and his people out, or you don't.  If witnessing this clown being the cocksucker he is for years hasn't convinced you how awful he is then Eddie giving a 10 minute diatribe about isn't gonna change your mind either.

JH6056

Saltzy23 said:

My thing is that A. music is supposed to be an escape from all the shit going on in the world.  I can turn on TV and hear 10,000 talking heads drone on and on about the current state of affairs.  I go to these show to try and get away from what sucks in life, not just hear more about it and B. as much as I love Eddie, he's not gonna change people's minds.  Either you realize Trump is a cancerous pile of dogshit that is destroying this country and are gonna vote and do what you can to get him and his people out, or you don't.  If witnessing this clown being the cocksucker he is for years hasn't convinced you how awful he is then Eddie giving a 10 minute diatribe about isn't gonna change your mind either.

And you're entirely entitled to those opinions.  But at what point do you accept that you bought tix for a band who's been political onstage for 28 yrs and if you are going for escape, you should have chosen differently?  I think that's all anyone is saying, it's like having nut allergies, and then buying a truckload of Cracker Jacks which have had nuts in them since creation, and then being all upset that you broke out in hives or went into anaphylactic shock. This is a Pearl Jam show, and if escapism from politics is what you seek, why did you buy a ticket for an overtly political band's concert?

HughFreakingDillon

I guess I'm also not following. they are specifically talking about the show that happened, which constitutes reviewing it. 

Gern Blansten

Red Mosquito said:

Terrific show. Band sounded incredible and was energetic on a beautiful evening to be outside. Amazing time. 

However, anyone else have trouble buying beer? I tried to get one late first set and the woman told me I needed to buy a drink ticket. I asked where to buy drink tickets, and she said they were sold out. I said, “So I have money, you have beer, yet we cannot make a transaction?” She said correct. Weird.

what the hell?  

Saltzy23

JH6056 said:

Saltzy23 said:

My thing is that A. music is supposed to be an escape from all the shit going on in the world.  I can turn on TV and hear 10,000 talking heads drone on and on about the current state of affairs.  I go to these show to try and get away from what sucks in life, not just hear more about it and B. as much as I love Eddie, he's not gonna change people's minds.  Either you realize Trump is a cancerous pile of dogshit that is destroying this country and are gonna vote and do what you can to get him and his people out, or you don't.  If witnessing this clown being the cocksucker he is for years hasn't convinced you how awful he is then Eddie giving a 10 minute diatribe about isn't gonna change your mind either.

And you're entirely entitled to those opinions.  But at what point do you accept that you bought tix for a band who's been political onstage for 28 yrs and if you are going for escape, you should have chosen differently?  I think that's all anyone is saying, it's like having nut allergies, and then buying a truckload of Cracker Jacks which have had nuts in them since creation, and then being all upset that you broke out in hives or went into anaphylactic shock. This is a Pearl Jam show, and if escapism from politics is what you seek, why did you buy a ticket for an overtly political band's concert?

Isn't there a middle ground in there somewhere? I understand his points.  I agree with his points.  I love his passion and desire to invoke positive change and good in the world.

At what point is it just overkill though?  Do we really need like 30 minutes of a 3 hour set dedicated to it?

There are times when even Eddie himself seems to realize he's talking too much and stops himself.

Saying the same basic thoughts, 27 different ways is just too much sometimes.

JH6056

Saltzy23 said:

JH6056 said:

Saltzy23 said:

My thing is that A. music is supposed to be an escape from all the shit going on in the world.  I can turn on TV and hear 10,000 talking heads drone on and on about the current state of affairs.  I go to these show to try and get away from what sucks in life, not just hear more about it and B. as much as I love Eddie, he's not gonna change people's minds.  Either you realize Trump is a cancerous pile of dogshit that is destroying this country and are gonna vote and do what you can to get him and his people out, or you don't.  If witnessing this clown being the cocksucker he is for years hasn't convinced you how awful he is then Eddie giving a 10 minute diatribe about isn't gonna change your mind either.

And you're entirely entitled to those opinions.  But at what point do you accept that you bought tix for a band who's been political onstage for 28 yrs and if you are going for escape, you should have chosen differently?  I think that's all anyone is saying, it's like having nut allergies, and then buying a truckload of Cracker Jacks which have had nuts in them since creation, and then being all upset that you broke out in hives or went into anaphylactic shock. This is a Pearl Jam show, and if escapism from politics is what you seek, why did you buy a ticket for an overtly political band's concert?

Isn't there a middle ground in there somewhere? I understand his points.  I agree with his points.  I love his passion and desire to invoke positive change and good in the world.

At what point is it just overkill though?  Do we really need like 30 minutes of a 3 hour set dedicated to it?

There are times when even Eddie himself seems to realize he's talking too much and stops himself.

Saying the same basic thoughts, 27 different ways is just too much sometimes.

Those are fair questions to ask.  But bottom line is still the same: NOTHING about what you got is surprising or new to a PJ show.  Everyone's entitled to their opinions about how effective or not effective using one's voice for these causes is, but you asking these questions doesn't change that this is who this band is, and this is something they do, at the same time they're rocking our butts off.  It also doesn't change that the vast majority of the show is the rocking, and even the most wordy, political show is still just a small fraction of what is happening most of the show.

So the idea of choosing to go to a known-quantity show where politics are often in the spotlight when you want escapism from politics is very strange.  Especially a band that's been around and been political for 28 years.

I'll never understand people knowing what they're in for, but going in anyway for something they don't want or will be annoyed by, and then complaining about it after the fact even though they knew what they were getting. 

chitty

PeArLgOoNeR said:

chitty said:

Ok, so I have seen five shows in 2018. Pinkpop, padova, sea1 and 2 and Missoula. Just worked out this way with my work to see them all. I’m blessed, I know, and I’m simply stating my opinion here in this review .  

Compared to others I saw in ‘18, missoula lacked something. Maybe the fact it became a shortened set when it was not advertised that way. Not sure. Shorter set with some amazing moments, don’t get me wrong. Such as fatal, not for you, down and even a rocking edition of Lightning Bolt. However I came in expecting a full PJ show and that wasn’t there. 

I kind of get what you're saying as stadium shows tend to be longer.. But you got 29 songs..! Padova had 27.. Stage time was about the same. Does the difference lie in the expectations? Just curious..

Yeah it probably did. I was expecting maybe something else, which I know with PJ is not a good idea. Go in with no expectations and be blown away. My lesson learned 

WesC

Here’s my thought being at both Seattle shows and also last night in Missoula...
People (myself included) build up such huge expectations for this band. We all want the Seattle night 2 show. Every night. We all want Moline. Every night. I was in GA for the first time in 17 shows for Missoula. I was solo and had a blast. Granted, I was hoping for more deep cuts and a set list built for the more “serious” collector but getting Fatal and Arms Aloft were highlights. 
I think if we all start going into these shows with less expectations, we all might enjoy it a bit more. 

Merkin Baller

PJWGIII said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Sea said:

Sea said:

The Fanview threads for Fanviews. It's ok to begin another thread on discussions of other topics and/or debates.

Please stop derailing topic integrity.

Please stop derailing topic integrity. Take off topic discussion to another thread. This thread is for fans to review the show. Thank you.

In all honesty, how are comments about the show's political aspects not relevant or within the spectrum of a 'review'?

100%. I've respected all of Sea's mod decisions, but this is the first time I have to respectfully disagree.
This is 100% a discussion about the show. So the band is allowed to speak freely and promotes that, but their fans cannot? That's just not true.

+1

KC2917

Never mind, just another derailment. As you were...

CP218430

A. I wish I was there. I wish I could go to every show.

B. I’ve been listening to a lot of Grateful Dead lately and PJ have modeled their shows after the Dead in recent years. People forget that the Dead trotted out covers that became synonymous with their show: Good Lovin, Iko Iko, Johnny B Goode and a slew of Dylan songs. The Dead made these songs theirs. Like PJ have adopted Crazy Mary and Rockin and try out many others. 

C. Piggy backing off point B how many fans would love one more show with The Dead’s original lineup?

long live rock and all those that enjoy every minute the band plays.

KC2917

Sea said:

The Fanview threads for Fanviews. It's ok to begin another thread on discussions of other topics and/or debates.

Please stop derailing topic integrity.

So to be clear... fanviews about a show that was political in nature cannot involve a discussion about the politics that were part of the show we’re supposed to keep the discussion about? 

chiwhitesox

CP218430 said:

A. I wish I was there. I wish I could go to every show.

B. I’ve been listening to a lot of Grateful Dead lately and PJ have modeled their shows after the Dead in recent years. People forget that the Dead trotted out covers that became synonymous with their show: Good Lovin, Iko Iko, Johnny B Goode and a slew of Dylan songs. The Dead made these songs theirs. Like PJ have adopted Crazy Mary and Rockin and try out many others. 

C. Piggy backing off point B how many fans would love one more show with The Dead’s original lineup?

long live rock and all those that enjoy every minute the band plays.

How true. I'd love to see The Dead again.

Let's all appreciate PJ while we all can and see the wood for the trees here. Every show is an event. Long live PJ

socalstyle

I was at Seattle #2 and drove over to Missoula for the show. Seattle #2 was an epic throwdown that shocased the band's 28 year musical catalog and it's significance to the Seattle music scene. Big time expectations from fans and the band alike. Missoula felt like the fun after party from that show. The band was having a blast last night. They chose a fun out of the ordinary set. They we're joking around with the sex and beer couple, being playful with the little girl and her dad in the audience and even did a few white whales for good measure. Let's not forget the awesome Betterman performance with the Ramones and U2 twisted into it. This was a fun PJ show. Really, the political stuff was pretty lighthearted and insignificant to the whole presentation. I thought the single encore was a fun surprise. It had 11 songs in it and included an amazing Imagine cover. Met lots of cool folks from all over. What more can one ask for? That's Jeff, Stone, Boom, Mike, Matt and Ed. You guys slayed it last night. Keep on rocking the free world!!!

JH6056

Combining both the last 2 comments, yes yes and YES!  I'd wanted to see TOTD and Soundgarden last times they toured, but couldn't, but kind of thought "Well, hopefully I'll make it next time".  Now there will never be a next time.

I don't take anything for granted now about seeing my favorite bands, whether the band's been around for 28 yrs or 2 yrs.  You just never know and I am grateful for every show I get to.  So I am beyond grateful to have made the 2 Seattle shows.  AND... based on the descriptions in this thread of Missoula, I'm REALLY BUMMED to have missed Missoula!  

Sounds like a great fun show, and I envy all who were able to attend Missoula!

Also, as a lifelong Clash/Joe Strummer fan, I am also bummed to have missed it because a Clash song AND a Strummer song, AND Jeff wrote the setlist!  2 of my most favorite PJ shows of the last 10 yrs were rumored to have had Jeff on one and Stone on the other writing the setlists, so I have an idea of how cool the energy can be for those kinds of shows!