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"allegedly." Based on a statement from a foster parent, maybe?mcgruff10 said:Or this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.htmlThe Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.
Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.
Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.
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I guess we will see if there is more to it after they are arraigned in court today. Correct me if i am wrong but I thought every news agency had to use the word "allegedly" before innocence or guilt was found.Halifax2TheMax said:
"allegedly." Based on a statement from a foster parent, maybe?mcgruff10 said:Or this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.htmlThe Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.
Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.
Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.
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A far cry from Unsung's initial post and misleading thread title.mcgruff10 said:
I guess we will see if there is more to it after they are arraigned in court today. Correct me if i am wrong but I thought every news agency had to use the word "allegedly" before innocence or guilt was found.Halifax2TheMax said:
"allegedly." Based on a statement from a foster parent, maybe?mcgruff10 said:Or this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6053831/Muslim-extremist-ringleader-New-Mexico-compound-tested-positive-explosives-2004.htmlThe Muslim man arrested in a New Mexico compound along with four other adults and 11 children last week once allegedly tested positive for an explosive residual substance before a flight to Saudi Arabia three years after 9/11 - but was never detained.
Siraj Wahhaj Jr is the man who was allegedly armed while holding the group of starving children in a ramshackle site out in the New Mexico desert before Taos County sheriff’s deputies raided the compound and arrested him.
Wahhaj, who was wanted by authorities after his disabled three-year-old son, Abdul Ghani, was reported missing in Georgia, was allegedly training children to commit school shootings.
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But you confirmed it.PJPOWER said:
Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN,Halifax2TheMax said:
Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.PJPOWER said:
Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:Halifax2TheMax said:
No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”PJPOWER said:
For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?Halifax2TheMax said:
Facts are of no relevance.Merkin Baller said:
This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings:unsung said:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say
Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT
TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.
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“Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source:
“Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”
Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings.
“• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html“Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”
could lead someone to think that...
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Yes, I did confirm the ignorance of the statement through a sarcastic remark.Halifax2TheMax said:
But you confirmed it.PJPOWER said:
Well, I can see how the misleading headline from CNN,Halifax2TheMax said:
Still just an allegation made by a foster parent. They weren’t charged with any terrorism related charges. But then again, school shootings arent considered acts of terrorism.PJPOWER said:
Maybe he was reading it on CNN?:Halifax2TheMax said:
No, for a certain poster positing “theories.”PJPOWER said:
For CBS when creating headlines for clickbait?Halifax2TheMax said:
Facts are of no relevance.Merkin Baller said:
This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings:unsung said:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say
Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT
TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.
click link for remainder of story...
“Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source:
“Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”
Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings.
“• They argue that if the suspects were to be released, there is a substantial likelihood the defendants may commit new crimes due to their planning and preparation for school shootings.“
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-mexico-compound-children/index.html“Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say”
could lead someone to think that...
At least Unsung wasn’t saying something stupid like “I bet they were Trump voters” or something similar, lol
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I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.2000 - 8/21 - Columbus, OH
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CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure.Gtilley8 said:I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.HughFreakingDillon said:
CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure.Gtilley8 said:I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
huh? what have I accepted exactly?rgambs said:
Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.HughFreakingDillon said:
CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure.Gtilley8 said:I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
The narrative that any news source that reports unfavourably on conservatives is left of center. CNN is centrist. They fill a 24 hour news cycle, and in doing so, they go left and right of center with opinion commentary, and they jump on news before it's fully vetted sometimes, but they are the most central of the big time news networks.HughFreakingDillon said:
huh? what have I accepted exactly?rgambs said:
Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.HughFreakingDillon said:
CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure.Gtilley8 said:I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I watched CNN quite often when Trump first got elected (and also post 9/11). For a long time. Until I couldn't take it anymore. They are unquestionably left. their opinion commenty overwhelmingly leans left. I think they are the most centrist of the majors, but they are still left of center.rgambs said:
The narrative that any news source that reports unfavourably on conservatives is left of center. CNN is centrist. They fill a 24 hour news cycle, and in doing so, they go left and right of center with opinion commentary, and they jump on news before it's fully vetted sometimes, but they are the most central of the big time news networks.HughFreakingDillon said:
huh? what have I accepted exactly?rgambs said:
Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.HughFreakingDillon said:
CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure.Gtilley8 said:I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.
and just because I disagree, doesn't mean I've been somehow "duped". come on. I think I deserve a bit more credit than that.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Haha. Come to Europe and witness some real left.HughFreakingDillon said:
I watched CNN quite often when Trump first got elected (and also post 9/11). For a long time. Until I couldn't take it anymore. They are unquestionably left. their opinion commenty overwhelmingly leans left. I think they are the most centrist of the majors, but they are still left of center.rgambs said:
The narrative that any news source that reports unfavourably on conservatives is left of center. CNN is centrist. They fill a 24 hour news cycle, and in doing so, they go left and right of center with opinion commentary, and they jump on news before it's fully vetted sometimes, but they are the most central of the big time news networks.HughFreakingDillon said:
huh? what have I accepted exactly?rgambs said:
Only because you've accepted their fiction of where reality lies.HughFreakingDillon said:
CNN isn't centre. they are left of center for sure. not as left as MSNBC, but left for sure.Gtilley8 said:I love how the far right has managed to take the most centrist TV media outlet, and make that the "fake news" outlet. It is genius, in a way. It certainly moves the goal posts. For the last 10-15 or so years, I've always felt that there was left, center, right (MSNBC, CNN, FOX). If you think CNN is the problem, and I don't watch CNN, maybe it's your skewed version of reality that's the problem.
and just because I disagree, doesn't mean I've been somehow "duped". come on. I think I deserve a bit more credit than that.
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Guess they were charged with terrorism related charges, eh? Oh wait, shooting up a school or training kids to shoot up a school isn’t terrorism.unsung said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I'm curious how these kids , with their training and all that were going to be integrated into the schools? given they were effectively prisoners in this buried rv. training on one ar-15 and a few handguns........... not being fed, given clean clothes etc?
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