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Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    It's disgusting how cleanliness is not taught in compounds these days. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,531
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


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    At this point does it matter , the fact that it's still easyer to get any weapon you so desire than to reunite children with their parents is absurd ...This country is fucked up !
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


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    Well, Halifax said that they he thinks they are Trump voters, and all Trump voters must be in the NRA, so...
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    It's disgusting how cleanliness is not taught in compounds these days. 
    I agree, if only they had a mop, this would never have happened, ha
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


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    Well, Halifax said that they he thinks they are Trump voters, and all Trump voters must be in the NRA, so...

    I heard it on liberal conspiracy theorist radio and you admitted the same so it must be true.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


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    Well, Halifax said that they he thinks they are Trump voters, and all Trump voters must be in the NRA, so...

    I heard it on liberal conspiracy theorist radio and you admitted the same so it must be true.
    You must have been listening to a different station, I heard they were Sanders voters, lol
  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    I heard about this story, just horrific. This must have been going on for some time, how can things like this go on for so long before someone discovers it?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Annafalk said:
    I heard about this story, just horrific. This must have been going on for some time, how can things like this go on for so long before someone discovers it?
    A lot of these militia types hole up in places must people would never go into- usually off the path places down some dusty rural road.  I've never seen militia camps or anything like that but while doing what we used to call "booney crashing" (exploring seldom traveled roads) I have seen a few places here in the west where stuff like that that could go on and not be seen for quite awhile.  Creepy places-  best just to turn around ans stay away.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    brianlux said:
    Annafalk said:
    I heard about this story, just horrific. This must have been going on for some time, how can things like this go on for so long before someone discovers it?
    A lot of these militia types hole up in places must people would never go into- usually off the path places down some dusty rural road.  I've never seen militia camps or anything like that but while doing what we used to call "booney crashing" (exploring seldom traveled roads) I have seen a few places here in the west where stuff like that that could go on and not be seen for quite awhile.  Creepy places-  best just to turn around ans stay away.
    I had a real creepy feeling while driving through colorado city, arizona.   Turns out it was a polygamist colony.  Yikes.  
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    unsung said:
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
    Keep flying your flag, Unsung, hoist it high for all to see.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    unsung said:
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
    Say what? I think the general consensus here is that this incident of training kids to commit mass shootings is horrible. 

    I'm not against being skeptical but I think maybe what you're suggesting is a bit over the top. 
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  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 Posts: 985
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
    Say what? I think the general consensus here is that this incident of training kids to commit mass shootings is horrible. 

    I'm not against being skeptical but I think maybe what you're suggesting is a bit over the top. 
    I think it tells a lot more about the person than he really knows.  There's a sizable group in this country that believe the white man is getting short-changed.  It's a really stupid idea, and one that's inherently racist - whether or not that person believes it to be so, it is.  
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    Don't know if he was a card carrying nra member or not but he was definitely  part of President Obama's U.N. army prepping to take away everyones guns.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    edited August 2018
    unsung said:
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
    more so if he was a conservative Christian rather than a certain religious extremist. Doesnt fit their narrative.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    flywallyfly said:
    unsung said:
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
    more so if he was a conservative Christian rather than a certain religious extremist. Doesnt fit their narrative.
    Funny
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,449

    “Friendly reminder: Straight white men in America are not persecuted, marginalized, or victimized. They are not an oppressed group.”

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    Merkin Baller said:

    “Friendly reminder: Straight white men in America are not persecuted, marginalized, or victimized. They are not an oppressed group.”

    But a lot of them are fearful, very, very fearful.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Merkin Baller said:

    “Friendly reminder: Straight white men in America are not persecuted, marginalized, or victimized. They are not an oppressed group.”

    But they feel themselves to be, because any drop in privilege from pretty much absolute to somewhat less is intolerable. 
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  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 Posts: 985
    flywallyfly said:
    unsung said:
    If he were white this place would be in an uproar as would the media.
    more so if he was a conservative Christian rather than a certain religious extremist. Doesnt fit their narrative.
    Religious extremism fits the narrative.  Any religion.  However, in this country, dumbass redneck conservative is generally the status quo for this type of crap.  
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,449
    oftenreading said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    “Friendly reminder: Straight white men in America are not persecuted, marginalized, or victimized. They are not an oppressed group.”

    But they feel themselves to be, because any drop in privilege from pretty much absolute to somewhat less is intolerable. 
    Convincing white Americans that they’re victims has been a key to Trump’s political success. 
  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 Posts: 985
    Merkin Baller said:
    oftenreading said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    “Friendly reminder: Straight white men in America are not persecuted, marginalized, or victimized. They are not an oppressed group.”

    But they feel themselves to be, because any drop in privilege from pretty much absolute to somewhat less is intolerable. 
    Convincing white Americans that they’re victims has been a key to Trump’s political success. 
    Exactly.  
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,449

    So this guy in New Mexico was MS13, right? I’ve been led to believe they are much more of a threat to me than white male Americans. There’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim, but plenty of white Americans desperate for victimhood believe it regardless. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Merkin Baller said:

    So this guy in New Mexico was MS13, right? I’ve been led to believe they are much more of a threat to me than white male Americans. There’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim, but plenty of white Americans desperate for victimhood believe it regardless. 
    He was ms-13?  I hadn’t heard that, have a link by chance?  I’ve read plenty of articles stating that he was a Muslim extremist with family ties to the terrorist attacks in the 90s in NYC, though.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,449
    PJPOWER said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    So this guy in New Mexico was MS13, right? I’ve been led to believe they are much more of a threat to me than white male Americans. There’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim, but plenty of white Americans desperate for victimhood believe it regardless. 
    He was ms-13?  I hadn’t heard that, have a link by chance?  I’ve read plenty of articles stating that he was a Muslim extremist with family ties to the terrorist attacks in the 90s in NYC, though.  
    I was being facetious. The man likely has as much personal connection to MS13 as he does the NRA. With that being said, do we know how he got the guns? According to his father, he is licensed to carry in 36 states (36 STATES!!!). Here’s the link for that info: https://www.wral.com/brooklyn-mosque-says-weapons-allegations-at-new-mexico-compound-are-false-narratives-/17758527/

    Furthermore, the ringleaders’ father, an Iman at a NYC mosque, claims to be the one who who alerted authorities to the location of the New Mexico compound. While some outlets are accurately reporting that prosecutors once called the father an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the WTC bombing from ‘93, that same article I linked above offers more insight:

    “Wahhaj’s father, also named Siraj Wahhaj, has for decades been the imam of Masjid at-Taqwa, which several people connected to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center either attended or visited around the time of the attack. During the investigation of the bombing, the elder Wahhaj was named on a list of several dozen potential conspirators in the plot, though he was never charged in the case and the list was later criticized for being overly broad, some former terrorism prosecutors said.
    The elder Wahhaj has had a long career as a clergyman, traveling the world and delivering lectures on Islam, and even once gave a religious invocation in Congress.”

    Based on this article, the family links to the WTC bombing are somewhat dubious. What other NYC terrorist attacks from the 90s has the family been linked to? This alleged WTC connection is the only one I’ve seen. 
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    The ability to carry in 36 states sounds like an Utah concealed permit.  Anybody can get it.  
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    Merkin Baller said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    So this guy in New Mexico was MS13, right? I’ve been led to believe they are much more of a threat to me than white male Americans. There’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim, but plenty of white Americans desperate for victimhood believe it regardless. 
    He was ms-13?  I hadn’t heard that, have a link by chance?  I’ve read plenty of articles stating that he was a Muslim extremist with family ties to the terrorist attacks in the 90s in NYC, though.  
    I was being facetious. The man likely has as much personal connection to MS13 as he does the NRA. With that being said, do we know how he got the guns? According to his father, he is licensed to carry in 36 states (36 STATES!!!). Here’s the link for that info: https://www.wral.com/brooklyn-mosque-says-weapons-allegations-at-new-mexico-compound-are-false-narratives-/17758527/

    Furthermore, the ringleaders’ father, an Iman at a NYC mosque, claims to be the one who who alerted authorities to the location of the New Mexico compound. While some outlets are accurately reporting that prosecutors once called the father an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the WTC bombing from ‘93, that same article I linked above offers more insight:

    “Wahhaj’s father, also named Siraj Wahhaj, has for decades been the imam of Masjid at-Taqwa, which several people connected to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center either attended or visited around the time of the attack. During the investigation of the bombing, the elder Wahhaj was named on a list of several dozen potential conspirators in the plot, though he was never charged in the case and the list was later criticized for being overly broad, some former terrorism prosecutors said.
    The elder Wahhaj has had a long career as a clergyman, traveling the world and delivering lectures on Islam, and even once gave a religious invocation in Congress.”

    Based on this article, the family links to the WTC bombing are somewhat dubious. What other NYC terrorist attacks from the 90s has the family been linked to? This alleged WTC connection is the only one I’ve seen. 
    You hit what I was referring to.  Sorry for not recognizing the MS-13 facetiousness.  There have been concerns of the cartels assisting terrorists in the past, so it wouldn’t surprise me, and that scenario is quite scary.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    So this guy in New Mexico was MS13, right? I’ve been led to believe they are much more of a threat to me than white male Americans. There’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim, but plenty of white Americans desperate for victimhood believe it regardless. 
    He was ms-13?  I hadn’t heard that, have a link by chance?  I’ve read plenty of articles stating that he was a Muslim extremist with family ties to the terrorist attacks in the 90s in NYC, though.  
    I was being facetious. The man likely has as much personal connection to MS13 as he does the NRA. With that being said, do we know how he got the guns? According to his father, he is licensed to carry in 36 states (36 STATES!!!). Here’s the link for that info: https://www.wral.com/brooklyn-mosque-says-weapons-allegations-at-new-mexico-compound-are-false-narratives-/17758527/

    Furthermore, the ringleaders’ father, an Iman at a NYC mosque, claims to be the one who who alerted authorities to the location of the New Mexico compound. While some outlets are accurately reporting that prosecutors once called the father an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the WTC bombing from ‘93, that same article I linked above offers more insight:

    “Wahhaj’s father, also named Siraj Wahhaj, has for decades been the imam of Masjid at-Taqwa, which several people connected to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center either attended or visited around the time of the attack. During the investigation of the bombing, the elder Wahhaj was named on a list of several dozen potential conspirators in the plot, though he was never charged in the case and the list was later criticized for being overly broad, some former terrorism prosecutors said.
    The elder Wahhaj has had a long career as a clergyman, traveling the world and delivering lectures on Islam, and even once gave a religious invocation in Congress.”

    Based on this article, the family links to the WTC bombing are somewhat dubious. What other NYC terrorist attacks from the 90s has the family been linked to? This alleged WTC connection is the only one I’ve seen. 
    You hit what I was referring to.  Sorry for not recognizing the MS-13 facetiousness.  There have been concerns of the cartels assisting terrorists in the past, so it wouldn’t surprise me, and that scenario is quite scary.
    I think that's just a scare tactic and fun idea to play out in movie/TV land.
    I don't think it's a real danger because I don't think the cartels are that dumb.
    They are smart enough to know that terrorism is a trigger that gets the American killer beehive buzzing and swarming.  They know we love our drugs and we always will, and I think they know they don't want the heat that getting involved with zealot terrorists would bring.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,449
    unsung said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico-compound-man-training-kids-commit-school-shootings-prosecutors-court-documents-today-2018-08-08/


    Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

    Last Updated Aug 8, 2018 6:59 PM EDT

    TAOS, N.M. — The father of a missing 4-year-old Georgia boy was training children at a filthy New Mexico compound to commit school shootings, prosecutors alleged in court documents Wednesday. The documents say Siraj Ibn Wahhaj was conducting weapons training with “assault rifles” at the compound near the Colorado border that was raided by authorities Friday.


    click link for remainder of story...
    This headline is inaccurate. If you read the article, it literally says the prosecutors didn’t bring up the allegations regarding training for school shootings: 
    “Prosecutors did not bring up the school shooting accusation during initial court hearings Wednesday for the abuse suspects... In the court documents, authorities said a foster parent of one of the 11 children removed from the compound had told authorities the child had been trained to use an assault rifle in preparation for a school shooting.”

    According to the public defender, there may be some credibility issues with that source: 

    “Aleks Kostich of the Taos County Public Defender's Office questioned the new accusation of a school shooting conspiracy against by Wahhaj, saying the claim was presented with little information beyond the explanation that it came from a foster parent. Kostich believes prosecutors are not certain about the credibility of the foster parent, whom he has no way of reaching to verify the claim, he said.”

    Of course, the public defender would say that, but I think it’s worth noting that the only source of the school shooting angle to this story isn’t one of the authorities & it was not brought up by prosecutors in the initial hearings. 

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