No Binoculars: Does anybody know why?

Pegasus

Get_Right wrote:

dangerous weapons dont ya know!

its probably because they dont help you hear the music any better.

I actually thought that was the reason (it's heavy and if you swing it, you could break someone skull easily!)

that's frankly the only reason I can think of...opera ones would be fine though

bazzer

Veddernarian wrote:

I am far sighted and my 10c number puts me at a distance where binocs could really help. At Plant and Rush, they made a big difference.

Regarding the weapon theory, a belt, a shoe, a fist, a non-picturetaking cell phone could all be weapons. Do you think this 46 year old CPA intends to hurt anybody? Is coming to a concert with a cough bioterrorism?

I'm pretty sure I remember reading that someone got injured with someone swinging some binoculars just prior to the policy changing, so it probably had something to do with that.

Also, don't really see how binoculars would help with you being far-sighted? That would mean you can see distant objects better than close objects. So I'm assuming you have a really good 10C number (i.e. front row) and you'll be looking through your binoculars backwards? Otherwise, just seems weird that someone with vision problems wouldn't know if they were near or far sighted. BTW, I have pretty bad myopia, but even I wouldn't need binoculars any more than the guy next to me... Do you have glasses?

JOEJOEJOE

Veddernarian wrote:

I live in the LA market with a lot of 10c members. The venues PJ uses in So Cal are 17,000 - 19,000 seat arenas. My 10c number is 25x,xxx. You do the math. Maybe an Eagle would have no problem. It's hard to soar like an Eagle when you're surrounded by pelicans.

JOEJOEJOE- Maybe we could get rich on some sort of thriller action movie based on us. Smashing people in the heads with binoculars at a rock concert, and then a cross country pursuit with Tommy Lee Jones trying to chase us down. The doctor thing is too plausable. CPA's are the real source of excitement. The world has yet to discover that. I don't know what I'll do with all the fame.

Dude, we could walk in the same shoes as the accountant in "Untouchables" and Charles Grodin, CPA in "Midnight Run".

G Force

I heard that you just don't get the clarity out of Binoculars like you used to. Its pretty true. I was at a restaurant in LA and I brought my binocs so I could see what people on the other side of the restaurant were eating...you know...so I could know what the locals order...Well...this is what I saw: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FM7Rpf1x7RU

Get_Right

Veddernarian wrote:

A concert is a seeing and hearing experience. I expect to be able to do both. It doesn't help my hearing, it helps my seeing.

Is a level of detail necessary beyond what prescription eyeglasses provide? The band probably doesnt think so.

No real reason to bring em and much easier to just ban em

Pretty clear that EV wants people to focus on the music and not the visual accessories that are increasingly a distraction. Effing great I say

JOEJOEJOE

Some bands ban binoculars for insurance reasons (not that this is the case here).

The insurance costs per show vary quite a bit. The band actually pays higher insurance premiums when Eddie throws things into the crowd (tambourines, etc.) since there is a bigger chance of someone getting elbowed in the face, etc.

hopethatuchoke

Veddernarian wrote:

This came up as a Rubysdad (Tim) sticky somewhere back in 2006 before my LA Forum show. The post said no Binocs and offered no reason why.

I can't recall any instance where they gave a reason for anything they do. Are all bands like this?

hopethatuchoke

Get_Right wrote:

Pretty clear that EV wants people to focus on the music and not the visual accessories that are increasingly a distraction. Effing great I say

I think if you are paying $65 for a ticket and you want to bring in binoculars, you should be able to. It's my right to focus on what I want, be it visual or audible. I also feel the same way about cameras but with those, I could see the flashes getting annoying for the bands. Does anybody remember the translator for the deaf person on the Touring Band DVD? Are they going to ban translators eventually as well? Where does it end? No binoculars is such a bizarre thing to ban.

JOEJOEJOE

hopethatuchoke wrote:

I think if you are paying $65 for a ticket and you want to bring in binoculars, you should be able to. It's my right to focus on what I want, be it visual or audible. I also feel the same way about cameras but with those, I could see the flashes getting annoying for the bands. Does anybody remember the translator for the deaf person on the Touring Band DVD? Are they going to ban translators eventually as well? Where does it end? No binoculars is such a bizarre thing to ban.

there is a difference btw an interpretor and binoculars, unless, the person using the binocs needs them to get a regular view (as opposed to wanting to scope-out someones crotch, etc!)

Get_Right

hopethatuchoke wrote:

I think if you are paying $65 for a ticket and you want to bring in binoculars, you should be able to. It's my right to focus on what I want, be it visual or audible. I also feel the same way about cameras but with those, I could see the flashes getting annoying for the bands. Does anybody remember the translator for the deaf person on the Touring Band DVD? Are they going to ban translators eventually as well? Where does it end? No binoculars is such a bizarre thing to ban.

actually thats wrong
you are being permitted into the venue as a licensee, you enter the venue under the terms and conditions imposed thereunder

You have a right to reject the terms and conditions, and not go.

I dunno, if I was an artist up on stage by myself, it might creep me out to know people were viewing me up close, scrutinizing my clothes, hair, etc.

I just dont see the need to have them.

hopethatuchoke

Get_Right wrote:

I dunno, if I was an artist up on stage by myself, it might creep me out to know people were viewing me up close, scrutinizing my clothes, hair, etc.

So there should be no front row then?

Get_Right

hopethatuchoke wrote:

So there should be no front row then?

no its expected from the front row, and you can look those people in the eye
different
even then you cant see like you can with binocs

hopethatuchoke

Get_Right wrote:

no its expected from the front row, and you can look those people in the eye
different
even then you cant see like you can with binocs

I disagree with that. Why should the chosen few up front be the only ones able to see them up close? What if you have terrible eye site and are stuck in the nosebleeds. I'm not trying to fight or argue here at all so this isn't personal or an attack on you. This whole issue doesn't even concern me as i'm not going to any of the shows. I just think it's an odd thing to ban and see little reason for it.

G Force

hopethatuchoke wrote:

I disagree with that. Why should the chosen few up front be the only ones able to see them up close? What if you have terrible eye site and are stuck in the nosebleeds. I'm not trying to fight or argue here at all so this isn't personal or an attack on you. This whole issue doesn't even concern me as i'm not going to any of the shows. I just think it's an odd thing to ban and see little reason for it.

But what if people don't bring bunokulars and instead bring gunonculars... Then there could be a major problem. I think its best just to not have noculars. People should just use thier oculars.

josevolution

fuck the binoculars it's just one more thing to have to carry i prefer to sneak in a bottle of red in a wine sack if any one here remembers those ,plus like someone stated if the place offers to rent them out that is the reason so they can make a few $$$ of the rentals ,that's my only theory on this matter ...

Veddernarian

Get_Right wrote:

no its expected from the front row, and you can look those people in the eye
different
even then you cant see like you can with binocs

Sun Glasses shouldn't be allowed then? You can wear them and the performer can't tell where your eyes are roaming.

To the person who questioned my farsightedness, despite that, the size of the venue and the amount of 10c people combined with my 10c number makes it such that I can only see people from a distance. I can't see their expressions, lips moving, how they are playing the instruments, etc. The binocs that I have put me in there as if I were within the 10th row. Since I'm banned to get whatever I get with my 10c number, and I don't think Grand Rapids 06 is ever going to happen again (and this isn't the place to discuss seating), binocs really compensate for this.

To the person saying a performer would be freaked out if he/she knew people were staring with binocs. That's crazy. I think it takes a special kind of person to get on stage to perform in front of a bunch of other people. It's art of the profession they sought out. You can't expect to stand facing 18000 people, playing music to them, for them to not be watching you. Binocs compensate for not being in the first few rows. I think people in the first 5 rows see better than I using binocs from where I'm sitting.

I'm beginning to think maybe it's the accident which caused it. Which is sad, really sad. You think about how people have used attorneys to compensate for their bad luck playing the Lotto. Can't anybody ever say, "I screwed up. I should have been looking where I was going. If I were looking where I should have been looking, I would have seen that hose and I wouldn't have tripped over it". Seems like anybody whose pocket jingles gets nailed. Including the guy who added lime to the cement to make it hard. So everybody pulls back in an act of attorney avoidance. No binocs. Great. The most innocent and unobstructing thing one can do at a concert; banned. One could easily add a verse to the song "Evolution" addressing this.

I still don't see the harm in using non-camera binoculars which don't obstruct anybody else's view, that I keep to myself and am courteous enough not to bump them, or anything else I have, into the people around me. I understand most of the policies, I don't understand this one.

Kel Varnsen

josevolution wrote:

fuck the binoculars it's just one more thing to have to carry i prefer to sneak in a bottle of red in a wine sack if any one here remembers those ,plus like someone stated if the place offers to rent them out that is the reason so they can make a few $$$ of the rentals ,that's my only theory on this matter ...

Maybe the merch booths will be selling official 10-club licensed limited edition signed and numbered custom made Brad Klausen binoculars?

Cosmo

The ban is because too many people bring in these:
http://www.binocularschina.com/binoculars/image/giantbinos/22100.jpg

12345AGNST1

maybe because ever since 9/11 this fuckin country decided to make new rules about everything.

evenflowman

Kel Varnsen wrote:

What is the Band's position on Opera Glasses?

http://www.smithkramer.com/info/images/exhibitions/woman_with_opera_glasses3.jpg

I need me a pair of those for night 1 i am trading equallyworthless and getting opera seats feel all fancy up in the box seats u know