'The Home Shows' X 'The Away Shows' Merch

MickeyMouse

Mike D88 said:

Anyone know how much the shipping is going to hurt on Mumford's APs coming out of the UK?

About $17 USD

PSUS2H

Brad seems like an all around good dude.  

drakeheuer14

opsopcopolis said:

pjl44 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

The days where you at least had a chance at a reasonably priced variant or AP are over. It’s unfortunate, but understandable. A lot less posters will be purchased by me now. They may be killing flippers, but they are also killing the average joe collector. 

If someone is making it a point to collect APs and variants, I would not categorize that person as an average joe. In terms of value, that's the deep end of the pool.

Agreed. If you're making an effort to grab variants you know what you're paying. $75-100 for APs and $150-200 for variants seems pretty average to me. Even for much smaller bands/shows

The point is that it’s starting to price people out of even trying. Not sure which smaller bands you are buying prints for then if you think variants are anywhere near 200

UnthoughtName

There are people buying variants simply for trade bait and I think they're going to quickly realize that the demand isn't there. They'll be stuck holding $200 variants they wish they can sell for cost.

opsopcopolis

At the end of the day it doesn't matter because people will buy them. The argument is irrelevant if they still sell out in 90 seconds

PSUS2H

UnthoughtName said:

There are people buying variants simply for trade bait and I think they're going to quickly realize that the demand isn't there. They'll be stuck holding $200 variants they wish they can sell for cost.

I think the prices for PJ prints is nutty, look at the FF prices!  I'm happy Brad can make good money as an artist, but dang, these things are getting expensive. 

pjl44

drakeheuer14 said:

opsopcopolis said:

pjl44 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

The days where you at least had a chance at a reasonably priced variant or AP are over. It’s unfortunate, but understandable. A lot less posters will be purchased by me now. They may be killing flippers, but they are also killing the average joe collector. 

If someone is making it a point to collect APs and variants, I would not categorize that person as an average joe. In terms of value, that's the deep end of the pool.

Agreed. If you're making an effort to grab variants you know what you're paying. $75-100 for APs and $150-200 for variants seems pretty average to me. Even for much smaller bands/shows

The point is that it’s starting to price people out of even trying. Not sure which smaller bands you are buying prints for then if you think variants are anywhere near 200

The flippers are the ones being priced out. Plenty of people are and have been paying 200ish for these prints. It's a better system if those transactions are occurring on the artist's website vs Ebay, ebeans, etc.

PSUS2H

The higher prices just mean I need to get to the venue earlier to grab a show print! 

JH6056

pjl44 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

opsopcopolis said:

pjl44 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

The days where you at least had a chance at a reasonably priced variant or AP are over. It’s unfortunate, but understandable. A lot less posters will be purchased by me now. They may be killing flippers, but they are also killing the average joe collector. 

If someone is making it a point to collect APs and variants, I would not categorize that person as an average joe. In terms of value, that's the deep end of the pool.

Agreed. If you're making an effort to grab variants you know what you're paying. $75-100 for APs and $150-200 for variants seems pretty average to me. Even for much smaller bands/shows

The point is that it’s starting to price people out of even trying. Not sure which smaller bands you are buying prints for then if you think variants are anywhere near 200

The flippers are the ones being priced out. Plenty of people are and have been paying 200ish for these prints. It's a better system if those transactions are occurring on the artist's website vs Ebay, ebeans, etc.

I am new to posters and collecting, but not new to pricing and being a fan. I don't really see how anyone can argue that regular people are not being priced out when variants go for $200.  I FULLY support the artist going for what he can, and if he sells out, more power to him and to all the others.  So nothing I'm about to say is a criticism of the artists - they should get the money first if flippers are going to cash out on their work later.  I get that, totally support the artists selling for market value.

But in this discussion of what the impact is, there are people who'd love to get into collecting, and who'd love to get high demand posters that they love, but who can't afford variant prices and how are they not priced out?  Surely you don't think everyone who wants to collect can collect and has the disposable cash to pay $200 for a poster?

The other discussions about how these prices impact flippers I guess time will tell.  But this is Pearl Jam - there are fans who couldn't even afford to go to any of the 2018 shows, much less pay a bunch of cash for posters they couldn't get at cost or expensive variants.  It just really concerns me when we have these convos and it seems like many assume everyone who's a fan (not flippers) who wants in on the poster game has the cash to be in on the game, as if it's just a question of choice to buy or not as opposed to basic affordability.  For some money's not an issue; for many money is a huge issue.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PSUS2H said:

The higher prices just mean I need to get to the venue earlier to grab a show print! 

It's not a slam dunk. There's problems associated with this though.

Extra stadium beer while you're twiddling your thumbs adds up. You get bored. You get anxious. You're leaving the heart of the city in a pre-concert mood for a sports venue playing canned music. 

Sometimes, for all the crappy things associated with getting there super early... it's better to just bite the bullet later on and pay on the secondary.

mpedone

drakeheuer14 said:

The days where you at least had a chance at a reasonably priced variant or AP are over. It’s unfortunate, but understandable. A lot less posters will be purchased by me now. They may be killing flippers, but they are also killing the average joe collector. 

Ideally, the flippers will buy them up, overcharge,

PSUS2H said:

UnthoughtName said:

There are people buying variants simply for trade bait and I think they're going to quickly realize that the demand isn't there. They'll be stuck holding $200 variants they wish they can sell for cost.

I think the prices for PJ prints is nutty, look at the FF prices!  I'm happy Brad can make good money as an artist, but dang, these things are getting expensive. 

Examples? At Fenway, the Sunday print was $35, the variant was $100. I know the uncut version of the 2-day print was $150, but even that didn't seem ridiculous.

JH6056

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PSUS2H said:

The higher prices just mean I need to get to the venue earlier to grab a show print! 

It's not a slam dunk. There's problems associated with this though.

Extra stadium beer while you're twiddling your thumbs adds up. You get bored. You get anxious. You're leaving the heart of the city in a pre-concert mood for a sports venue playing canned music. 

Sometimes, for all the crappy things associated with getting there super early... it's better to just bite the bullet later on and pay on the secondary.

Again, more power to you if you have that option.  But it really gets to me when people say things like this as if it's an option for everyone.  It's NOT an option for most.  Most Pearl Jam fans I'm gonna guess do NOT have the disposable income to "just pay on the secondary" for what they want.

That's life, and life's not always fair, but it irks me so much when people say stuff like this and seem not to have any awareness that that is NOT an option for all.  Again, cool for you, really not mad at you for being able to do it, it's a far better use of money than some harmful things others do with their cash.  But please don't say it like everyone in the convo has that option, because we don't all have that option.  So for some of us, the original prices and ability to buy at original prices makes or breaks whether we'll get the item we so desire.

MickeyMouse

Around and around we go 

tubes10s

This goes the same for those saying that they can just choose to stand in line for hours and hours.  Some folks don't have that time or opportunity due to other choices.  And then there's some folks can't or won't pull off either one, waiting in hours of lines or paying on the secondary market.  

Ultimately though, I believe that either option IS an option for all, if they make it a priority and plan accordingly.  Yes, for some folks it may require less planning and prep to burn hours standing in line, or just pay more to a flipper... but either option is an option for all of us.  

I would question anyone who stands in line for 6 hours so that they can pay $35 for a poster, when they could have gotten one for $100 on ebay, especially those who say that money is an issue.  Every one of us should have a value that we assign to our time.  6 hours of your time isn't worth more than $65?  

pjsteelerfan

MickeyMouse said:

Around and around we go 

jdopj

tubes10s said:

This goes the same for those saying that they can just choose to stand in line for hours and hours.  Some folks don't have that time or opportunity due to other choices.  And then there's some folks can't or won't pull off either one, waiting in hours of lines or paying on the secondary market.  

Ultimately though, I believe that either option IS an option for all, if they make it a priority and plan accordingly.  Yes, for some folks it may require less planning and prep to burn hours standing in line, or just pay more to a flipper... but either option is an option for all of us.  

I would question anyone who stands in line for 6 hours so that they can pay $35 for a poster, when they could have gotten one for $100 on ebay, especially those who say that money is an issue.  Every one of us should have a value that we assign to our time.  6 hours of your time isn't worth more than $65?  

This.
I only have so much free time without kids. If I really want something and I can’t get it easily at a booth it’s either I pass or pay extra. Waiting in line is not an option.

RoleModelsinBlood31

tubes10s said:

This goes the same for those saying that they can just choose to stand in line for hours and hours.  Some folks don't have that time or opportunity due to other choices.  And then there's some folks can't or won't pull off either one, waiting in hours of lines or paying on the secondary market.  

Ultimately though, I believe that either option IS an option for all, if they make it a priority and plan accordingly.  Yes, for some folks it may require less planning and prep to burn hours standing in line, or just pay more to a flipper... but either option is an option for all of us.  

I would question anyone who stands in line for 6 hours so that they can pay $35 for a poster, when they could have gotten one for $100 on ebay, especially those who say that money is an issue.  Every one of us should have a value that we assign to our time.  6 hours of your time isn't worth more than $65?  

I hear your argument, that’s how I break it down.  I don’t wait in the lines anymore, for the posters I want I pay $80 or so the night before or the night of the show on eBay.  I hate paying more than face but my time is more valuable than standing in line, and the things I can accomplish with my family or friends during the time I would be waiting is far more important. But to each his or her own, it is what it is- no one who’s been doing the PJ thing for long is surprised- I remember midnight release parties for no code and Christmas singles being handed out at record shops, all that.  They thrive on the “limited edition” excitement, they’re masters at it.

Shakescky

tubes10s said:

I would question anyone who stands in line for 6 hours so that they can pay $35 for a poster, when they could have gotten one for $100 on ebay, especially those who say that money is an issue.  Every one of us should have a value that we assign to our time.  6 hours of your time isn't worth more than $65?  

I was a bit on the fence deciding which poster to purchase in Boston this year. I am not the biggest fan of baseball, and while I love Klausen's work, I ultimately decided to go with Mumford. I believe I was in line at the second tent around 6:30 am. I am sure glad I did this though after I read on here they were selling out in 40 minutes or so given the demand.

PP193448

MickeyMouse said:

Around and around we go 

bootlegger10

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

tubes10s said:

This goes the same for those saying that they can just choose to stand in line for hours and hours.  Some folks don't have that time or opportunity due to other choices.  And then there's some folks can't or won't pull off either one, waiting in hours of lines or paying on the secondary market.  

Ultimately though, I believe that either option IS an option for all, if they make it a priority and plan accordingly.  Yes, for some folks it may require less planning and prep to burn hours standing in line, or just pay more to a flipper... but either option is an option for all of us.  

I would question anyone who stands in line for 6 hours so that they can pay $35 for a poster, when they could have gotten one for $100 on ebay, especially those who say that money is an issue.  Every one of us should have a value that we assign to our time.  6 hours of your time isn't worth more than $65?  

I hear your argument, that’s how I break it down.  I don’t wait in the lines anymore, for the posters I want I pay $80 or so the night before or the night of the show on eBay.  I hate paying more than face but my time is more valuable than standing in line, and the things I can accomplish with my family or friends during the time I would be waiting is far more important. But to each his or her own, it is what it is- no one who’s been doing the PJ thing for long is surprised- I remember midnight release parties for no code and Christmas singles being handed out at record shops, all that.  They thrive on the “limited edition” excitement, they’re masters at it.

Look at it this way.  The poster is worth $80.  You could either stand in line and buy for $35 at a discount, or buy it for what it is worth at $80 on Ebay.   Difference of buying at wholesale price or retail price.