The coming 2nd American Civil War

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    Reading some of the latest "news" about "hactivists" and "Qanon", I get the distinct feeling Civil War II will be mainly about some rednecks shooting up shit with their guns out in the creosote bush flats, a few radicals of unknown origin beating the shit out of each other in downtown Portland  and a whole bunch of idiots furiously packing away at their keyboards with desperate cries of "we gonna wreck you!" 

    No thanks, I'll pass on this shit show.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,593
    edited August 2018
    What side will Musk be on?


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    Reviving an old thread since some people seem to be itching to start a Second Civil War in America.   I'd have to say the far right has more of the itch and very like more of the guns, but some on the far left are scratching as well.

    ONE WAY THIS COULD HAPPEN:


    White Supremacists Are Invading American Cities To Incite a Civil War



     THE BETTER WAY: 
    I've posted this before but I think it bears repeating.

    "How do you turn anger into sacred rage.  For me, I saw a community of people who understood what that meant.  In 1988, the year my mother had passed [from breast cancer due to atomic test bomb radiation], I went down to the Nevada Test Sight after reading Henry David Thoreau's  Civil Disobedience, after reading Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and that mattered to me- to physically cross the line and say now and say yes.  And with a group of women from Utah, with a group of Chivuit people and Shoshone People, Jesuits, and members from [?] , a community of resistors.  We crossed that line at the Nevada Test Site.

    I'll never forget- the officer cinched my wrists.  I was handcuffed.  She frisked my body, moved her hands down my legs, reached my ankle and felt a bulge, lifted up my pant leg, and inside my boot, and retrieved a pen and a pad of paper.  [Terry repeats that last few sentences].  She retrieved a pad and paper, looked at me and said, "And these?".  And I remember our eyes meeting and I said, "Weapons".  

    Our eyes met again, she put them back in my boot, put my pant leg over them, and we continued. 

    There are many different kinds of monkey wrenches.  A pencil, a pen, is one of those. 

    I think about Camus, when he talks about how at some point we have to begin to understand that words are more powerful than munitions."



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    -Roberto Benigni

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,639
    The first US Civil war had a pretty specific boundary line. This one is going to be bonkers. The militias that used to hang out in Montana, shoot clay pigeons and bitch about the government are now taking to the streets. And they have the cops on their side. The last one ended when one geographic area defeated another. This one will end when one ideology defeats another. That, as much as the GOP, is going to contribute to our future in fascism.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,809
    there isn't going to be a civil war, not in the traditional sense. there will be civil unrest, absolutely. there already is. will it calm down if biden wins? i suspect it will, as long as he actually implements or attempts to in the first 100 days. he'd better have a specific plan ready to roll jan 20. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,772
    edited September 2020
    accidental post!
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    If you do have a civil war I will be pulling for the 1st nations to win back their country...and they some issues that need settling...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,639
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there isn't going to be a civil war, not in the traditional sense. there will be civil unrest, absolutely. there already is. will it calm down if biden wins? i suspect it will, as long as he actually implements or attempts to in the first 100 days. he'd better have a specific plan ready to roll jan 20. 
    Hmmm. I wasn't thinking in terms of "official" vs. "unofficial."  It might be less official than the first Civil War.

    If Trump wins: The GQP, the cops, and the militias will feel empowered and the takeover should pick up some serious steam by Thanksgiving.

    If Biden wins: N/A.
    OK fine...If Biden wins, I think some of the GQP might try to become the McCain/Romney GOP again, which would help. But Trump will be going ballistic.  The anger that he'll stoke in his followers, particularly cops and the militias is going to lead to violence on the streets that we associate with the Middle East.  After the inaguration?  The the "official" Republican call to arms diminishes. But the anger will be intensified.  They'll be convince it was stolen. I think things over the next several months are worse if Biden wins, but better for the long game.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    OnWis97 said:
    The first US Civil war had a pretty specific boundary line. This one is going to be bonkers. The militias that used to hang out in Montana, shoot clay pigeons and bitch about the government are now taking to the streets. And they have the cops on their side. The last one ended when one geographic area defeated another. This one will end when one ideology defeats another. That, as much as the GOP, is going to contribute to our future in fascism.
    Yes, in some places it seems the cops are supporting the militia/white supremacist/far right.  IN this case, the law stopped a dangerous man:

    Man with ties to 'boogaloo' movement charged with threatening health officer over pandemic

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there isn't going to be a civil war, not in the traditional sense. there will be civil unrest, absolutely. there already is. will it calm down if biden wins? i suspect it will, as long as he actually implements or attempts to in the first 100 days. he'd better have a specific plan ready to roll jan 20. 
    I hope Biden wins and I hope the civil unrest dies die.  Hard to say though.  I am very concerned that no matter who wins, there will be at least some violence in the streets.  Sure hope I'm wrong.
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you do have a civil war I will be pulling for the 1st nations to win back their country...and they some issues that need settling...
    I agree but of course that won't happen.  Our indigenous people were greatly reduced (to the point of complete genocide for some tribes) and rendered powerless.  The last time native people in the U.S. tried to fight back was during the 60's and early 70's with Alcatraz, the Bureau of Indian Affairs takeover, and the '73 Wounded Knee incident and all of those ended in defeat.  Even the more recent attempts to keep pipelines, drilling, etc. off reservations have proved mostly futile.  Reparations have never really been made and may never will.  That is one of our greatest shames.




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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,634
    PJ_Soul said:
    accidental post!
    Haven't seen u on here much!
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,634
    Research Bugaloo crew and see what people are prepping for...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    there is not going to be a civil war. it will be a series of domestic terrorism events started by the right and countered by the left.

    all biden needs to do is turn the US military on the boogaloo bois and it will all be over in a month. i guarantee biden and harris have a plan for this. because the dems collectively are smarter. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    when biden wins the butthurt is going to be staggering. at least for a while. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,634
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    when biden wins the butthurt is going to be staggering. at least for a while. 
    Will we hear chants of "not my president"?
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited September 2020
    "They got the guns, but we got the numbers."
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,634
    dankind said:
    "They got the guns, but we got the numbers."
    That song was about smoking the reefer...
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    tempo_n_groove said:
    dankind said:
    "They got the guns, but we got the numbers."
    That song was about smoking the reefer...

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,634
    dankind said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    dankind said:
    "They got the guns, but we got the numbers."
    That song was about smoking the reefer...

    OMG that is one of the best parts of that movie.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,920
    dankind said:
    "They got the guns, but we got the numbers."
    I've got the brains, you've got the looks...let's make lots of money.

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