Roseanne Barr

PJ_Soul · June 2018

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

You cant say Trump is impressing you, then advocate to fire Samantha Bee for name calling. Trump is the biggest name calling piece of shit bully on the planet, and us the POTUS

wtf is going on in this country?

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2018

she has also since apologized. syaing she deeply regrets it.

tbergs · June 2018

Soon Zippo will become the new c-word....

PJ_Soul · June 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

she has also since apologized. syaing she deeply regrets it.

So immediately set herself up as being demonstrably morally superior to the POTUS.

cincybearcat · June 2018

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

You cant say Trump is impressing you, then advocate to fire Samantha Bee for name calling. Trump is the biggest name calling piece of shit bully on the planet, and us the POTUS

wtf is going on in this country?

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

I'll tell you why it bothers me.
1) It was said on public TV....and the network let it pass
2) I have a 10 year old daughter as well as a successful engineer wife. I'm tried of bullshit sexist things being passed off as ok the way the n-word once was and gay once was.
3) I'm tired of the double standard with word. Blacks using the n-word is just as bad as a white. A woman using the c-word is just as bad as a man. They are derogatory terms generally accepted to be the worst of the worst that is meant to dehumanize their targets and get a crowd reaction. And every time it's used without being confronted the crowd whoops it up more....the exact same way that idiot trump and his supporters have used words.
4) I hate hypocrites. For sure we all are from time to time, but I'm really tired of the back and forth of "Oh yeah, but what about what your team did...." It's killing the political process and killing our country faster then guns.
5) I name call and use profanity as well....and it's when I'm generally out of control. We can't let this be the new norm for us. And at the very least we shouldn't use the worst of the worst words.

So of course Trump is a racist attacking idiot that should be removed from office. Of course Rosanne is a racist idiot that rightfully lost her show. But it doesn't mean that Samantha Bee's use of the most derogatory term for a woman can slide by, especially since she used it in anger towards a woman (instead of the man her anger should be directed at) on national TV.

benjs · June 2018

my2hands said:

Where is George Carlin when we need him?

I've honestly been thinking about how it's okay to prick your finger but not to finger your prick for the past three days!

rgambs · June 2018

benjs said:

my2hands said:

Where is George Carlin when we need him?

I've honestly been thinking about how it's okay to prick your finger but not to finger your prick for the past three days!

No shit!

I just don't get this hysteria (pun intended) over the word cunt.
It's just another word. If you choose to give it so much weight, that's your problem isn't it?
I also don't get the backlash against the N word being used colloquially among black people. Who gives a shit?
Oh boo hoo, I can't say it but they do. Somebody call the whaaaambulance.

fife · June 2018

my2hands said:

Where is George Carlin when we need him?

he's dead

PJ_Soul · June 2018

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

You cant say Trump is impressing you, then advocate to fire Samantha Bee for name calling. Trump is the biggest name calling piece of shit bully on the planet, and us the POTUS

wtf is going on in this country?

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

I'll tell you why it bothers me.
1) It was said on public TV....and the network let it pass
2) I have a 10 year old daughter as well as a successful engineer wife. I'm tried of bullshit sexist things being passed off as ok the way the n-word once was and gay once was.
3) I'm tired of the double standard with word. Blacks using the n-word is just as bad as a white. A woman using the c-word is just as bad as a man. They are derogatory terms generally accepted to be the worst of the worst that is meant to dehumanize their targets and get a crowd reaction. And every time it's used without being confronted the crowd whoops it up more....the exact same way that idiot trump and his supporters have used words.
4) I hate hypocrites. For sure we all are from time to time, but I'm really tired of the back and forth of "Oh yeah, but what about what your team did...." It's killing the political process and killing our country faster then guns.
5) I name call and use profanity as well....and it's when I'm generally out of control. We can't let this be the new norm for us. And at the very least we shouldn't use the worst of the worst words.

So of course Trump is a racist attacking idiot that should be removed from office. Of course Rosanne is a racist idiot that rightfully lost her show. But it doesn't mean that Samantha Bee's use of the most derogatory term for a woman can slide by, especially since she used it in anger towards a woman (instead of the man her anger should be directed at) on national TV.

The c-word is not more sexist than the b-word is (in fact, I would argue that the b-word is far more sexist than the c-word), but the b-word is used regularly on network TV and the FCC made it okay decades ago.
As for not wanting people to swear.... that's up to you. But FWIW, psychologists say it's healthy for us.
I for one think that trying to quash profanity is akin to trying to quash anything else on the basis of a moral authority... Not a good thing. America has quite enough Puritanism running through society already.
And I personally think it is indeed the show's producers' fault, not Samantha Bee's fault. As they've acknowledged, they never should have let the word slip buy on network television. But they did. Every day, all kinds of respected TV personalities say something inappropriate for TV while working, but it gets cut out. It's not that she said it that is the problem - it's that it got aired on network TV (or at least I think it was network TV... ? If not, then wtf are we even talking about it for. I guess I'm just assuming!).

HesCalledDyer · June 2018

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

Just an observation, but it seems most on here are also refraining from actually typing the word "cunt" and opting for c-word, but we've all dropped other cuss words without a second thought. Is it because it does carry more weight in our current culture or because we're afraid the mods will become upset, which goes back to my first point?

Because like it or not, words take on meanings and become worse than other words....and the c-word is one of those bad words. Its a dehumanizing way to degrade a woman.

But is it, though? LIke I mentioned before, the US seems to be the only majority English-speaking nation that has a problem with it. I call my male friends cunts quite a bit. Has nothing to do with dehumanzing a female and I don't think of females or female anatomy when I call them that, nor is it the intended reference. It's just my way of saying "you fucking idiot!" Like the English & Aussies do.

American women are also often digusted & offended by another word. Next thing you know we won't be able to say "moist" in public.

cincybearcat · June 2018

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

You cant say Trump is impressing you, then advocate to fire Samantha Bee for name calling. Trump is the biggest name calling piece of shit bully on the planet, and us the POTUS

wtf is going on in this country?

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

I'll tell you why it bothers me.
1) It was said on public TV....and the network let it pass
2) I have a 10 year old daughter as well as a successful engineer wife. I'm tried of bullshit sexist things being passed off as ok the way the n-word once was and gay once was.
3) I'm tired of the double standard with word. Blacks using the n-word is just as bad as a white. A woman using the c-word is just as bad as a man. They are derogatory terms generally accepted to be the worst of the worst that is meant to dehumanize their targets and get a crowd reaction. And every time it's used without being confronted the crowd whoops it up more....the exact same way that idiot trump and his supporters have used words.
4) I hate hypocrites. For sure we all are from time to time, but I'm really tired of the back and forth of "Oh yeah, but what about what your team did...." It's killing the political process and killing our country faster then guns.
5) I name call and use profanity as well....and it's when I'm generally out of control. We can't let this be the new norm for us. And at the very least we shouldn't use the worst of the worst words.

So of course Trump is a racist attacking idiot that should be removed from office. Of course Rosanne is a racist idiot that rightfully lost her show. But it doesn't mean that Samantha Bee's use of the most derogatory term for a woman can slide by, especially since she used it in anger towards a woman (instead of the man her anger should be directed at) on national TV.

The c-word is not more sexist than the b-word is (in fact, I would argue that the b-word is far more sexist than the c-word), but the b-word is used regularly on network TV and the FCC made it okay decades ago.
As for not wanting people to swear.... that's up to you. But FWIW, psychologists say it's healthy for us.
I for one think that trying to quash profanity is akin to trying to quash anything else on the basis of a moral authority... Not a good thing. America has quite enough Puritanism running through society already.
And I personally think it is indeed the show's producers' fault, not Samantha Bee's fault. As they've acknowledged, they never should have let the word slip buy on network television. But they did. Every day, all kinds of respected TV personalities say something inappropriate for TV while working, but it gets cut out. It's not that she said it that is the problem - it's that it got aired on network TV (or at least I think it was network TV... ? If not, then wtf are we even talking about it for. I guess I'm just assuming!).

Holy shit I don't care if people swear I do it all the time. Nevermind, this is a useless discussion as we are not communicating well.

pjhawks · June 2018

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

You cant say Trump is impressing you, then advocate to fire Samantha Bee for name calling. Trump is the biggest name calling piece of shit bully on the planet, and us the POTUS

wtf is going on in this country?

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

I'll tell you why it bothers me.
1) It was said on public TV....and the network let it pass
2) I have a 10 year old daughter as well as a successful engineer wife. I'm tried of bullshit sexist things being passed off as ok the way the n-word once was and gay once was.
3) I'm tired of the double standard with word. Blacks using the n-word is just as bad as a white. A woman using the c-word is just as bad as a man. They are derogatory terms generally accepted to be the worst of the worst that is meant to dehumanize their targets and get a crowd reaction. And every time it's used without being confronted the crowd whoops it up more....the exact same way that idiot trump and his supporters have used words.
4) I hate hypocrites. For sure we all are from time to time, but I'm really tired of the back and forth of "Oh yeah, but what about what your team did...." It's killing the political process and killing our country faster then guns.
5) I name call and use profanity as well....and it's when I'm generally out of control. We can't let this be the new norm for us. And at the very least we shouldn't use the worst of the worst words.

So of course Trump is a racist attacking idiot that should be removed from office. Of course Rosanne is a racist idiot that rightfully lost her show. But it doesn't mean that Samantha Bee's use of the most derogatory term for a woman can slide by, especially since she used it in anger towards a woman (instead of the man her anger should be directed at) on national TV.

great post and I agree 100% with you say here. I'm honestly extremely surprised that people here are arguing against these points and are ok with the word Bee used on TV.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

I'll tell you why it bothers me.
1) It was said on public TV....and the network let it pass
2) I have a 10 year old daughter as well as a successful engineer wife. I'm tried of bullshit sexist things being passed off as ok the way the n-word once was and gay once was.
3) I'm tired of the double standard with word. Blacks using the n-word is just as bad as a white. A woman using the c-word is just as bad as a man. They are derogatory terms generally accepted to be the worst of the worst that is meant to dehumanize their targets and get a crowd reaction. And every time it's used without being confronted the crowd whoops it up more....the exact same way that idiot trump and his supporters have used words.
4) I hate hypocrites. For sure we all are from time to time, but I'm really tired of the back and forth of "Oh yeah, but what about what your team did...." It's killing the political process and killing our country faster then guns.
5) I name call and use profanity as well....and it's when I'm generally out of control. We can't let this be the new norm for us. And at the very least we shouldn't use the worst of the worst words.

So of course Trump is a racist attacking idiot that should be removed from office. Of course Rosanne is a racist idiot that rightfully lost her show. But it doesn't mean that Samantha Bee's use of the most derogatory term for a woman can slide by, especially since she used it in anger towards a woman (instead of the man her anger should be directed at) on national TV.

The c-word is not more sexist than the b-word is (in fact, I would argue that the b-word is far more sexist than the c-word), but the b-word is used regularly on network TV and the FCC made it okay decades ago.
As for not wanting people to swear.... that's up to you. But FWIW, psychologists say it's healthy for us.
I for one think that trying to quash profanity is akin to trying to quash anything else on the basis of a moral authority... Not a good thing. America has quite enough Puritanism running through society already.
And I personally think it is indeed the show's producers' fault, not Samantha Bee's fault. As they've acknowledged, they never should have let the word slip buy on network television. But they did. Every day, all kinds of respected TV personalities say something inappropriate for TV while working, but it gets cut out. It's not that she said it that is the problem - it's that it got aired on network TV (or at least I think it was network TV... ? If not, then wtf are we even talking about it for. I guess I'm just assuming!).

Holy shit I don't care if people swear I do it all the time. Nevermind, this is a useless discussion as we are not communicating well.

Huh. I thought it was a perfectly fine discussion .... I know you don't care if people swear... unless it's the wrong swear word of course.

tbergs · June 2018

This would be a great discussion for happy hour today. Where should we all meet? It's about that time here you bunch of wankers

cincybearcat · June 2018

tbergs said:

This would be a great discussion for happy hour today. Where should we all meet? It's about that time here you bunch of wankers

Adding alcohol to this discussion would't be a wise choice

fife · June 2018

HesCalledDyer said:

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

Just an observation, but it seems most on here are also refraining from actually typing the word "cunt" and opting for c-word, but we've all dropped other cuss words without a second thought. Is it because it does carry more weight in our current culture or because we're afraid the mods will become upset, which goes back to my first point?

Because like it or not, words take on meanings and become worse than other words....and the c-word is one of those bad words. Its a dehumanizing way to degrade a woman.

But is it, though? LIke I mentioned before, the US seems to be the only majority English-speaking nation that has a problem with it. I call my male friends cunts quite a bit. Has nothing to do with dehumanzing a female and I don't think of females or female anatomy when I call them that, nor is it the intended reference. It's just my way of saying "you fucking idiot!" Like the English & Aussies do.

American women are also often digusted & offended by another word. Next thing you know we won't be able to say "moist" in public.

there are so many issues with this post.

1st off, its not just a US issue.

2nd do you call your female friends the c-word alot also? i find it interesting that you write male friends instead.

3rd, I know many woman who have been called c by men who were abusive toward them. it is a dehumanzing term.

4th, i like how you just basically say to woman to suck it up about words and then compare the C word to moist

tbergs · June 2018

pjhawks said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

You cant say Trump is impressing you, then advocate to fire Samantha Bee for name calling. Trump is the biggest name calling piece of shit bully on the planet, and us the POTUS

wtf is going on in this country?

And you can't call out trump for his bullshit and ignore it from Samantha Bee...wtf is going on in this country?

All a bunch of hypocrites.

Really?

The President of the United States shoudn't be held to a higher standard than late night talk show hosts?

So again where did I say that? But if it helps you to ignore someone using a very derogatory term towards someone just because you agree with the sentiment of hating that same person....feel free to continue to make stuff up

Did you need to say it explicitly? Come on, really. You said you "can't" call out Trump and ignore Bee.... Why the hell not???? They are not even in the same ballpart - people SHOULD be reacting in a much different way to Trump than they do to Bee.
Now, I don't think a single person here has defended Bee using the word on network television... but why in the hell that is even being connected to how people react to Trump, yourself included, is beyond me.

Hmmmm..cause inappropriate behavior is inappropriate for anyone in my world. And when you are in different positions...president, school teacher, cop, whatever it comes with varying degrees of inappropriateness. I guess I expect more out of people than you do. In your world it's ok to attack a women and call her the c-word if you disagree with her father. Strange world.

We both live in the same world man, and I think everyone is free to call anyone else an asshole, a dickhead, and douchebag, the c-word, an idiot, a fuck face, etc etc etc, if that's what they think of the person (assuming there aren't any mods telling us we're not allowed to). Now, you tell me that you've never called anyone any of those words in your whole life, and your self-righteous statement will ring true. Otherwise, you're at least as hypocritical as you're calling everyone else.

For me, and a lot of people there are words that cross the line. The n-word for one, the c-word for another. It is just so violently dismissive.

https://babe.net/2016/07/01/people-offended-word-cunt-psychologist-explains-4332

So I guarantee I’ve been a hypocrite from time to time. But not on this.

I have to disagree. Just because you happen to be offended by one word, it doesn't give you the moral high ground. Anyone can just as easily not mind the c-word, but be completely offended by someone calling another person the bag that is inserted into a woman's vagina and squeezed to inject a stream of water into the vaginal cavity. Someone else might be much more offended over someone being likened to the hole out of which shit comes. Who are you or anyone to determine which word crosses a line? Especially when it comes to a word that is used with ease in other places?
The n-word is racist, so totally different.

Dude it’s not just me. Society as a whole tends to decide these things. There is a reason Samantha used that specific word and not douchebag.

What reason is that? Do you think Samantha is a self-loathing female who intended to desecrate the value of the whole gender? Also, PJ_Soul is a dudette I believe. Society as a whole didn't decide definitively on the c-word, based on the fact that around fifteen different people on a Pearl Jam forum can't even agree on whether it should be socially acceptable. The jury is still out on this clearly. And yes, she used that word because whether acceptable or not, Samantha wanted to make it clear that she feels that Ivanka is worthy of words of greater severity than a db.

No but she wanted to cause a stir and wanted to degrade a dehumanize someone that she disagrees with politically.

Well, she wanted to insult someone she disagrees with and clearly doesn't like.... This happens a lot. Why are you bothered this time? Because you don't like the specific profanity she used.... Feels like an issue that would be big in a Baptist Church to me.

I'll tell you why it bothers me.
1) It was said on public TV....and the network let it pass
2) I have a 10 year old daughter as well as a successful engineer wife. I'm tried of bullshit sexist things being passed off as ok the way the n-word once was and gay once was.
3) I'm tired of the double standard with word. Blacks using the n-word is just as bad as a white. A woman using the c-word is just as bad as a man. They are derogatory terms generally accepted to be the worst of the worst that is meant to dehumanize their targets and get a crowd reaction. And every time it's used without being confronted the crowd whoops it up more....the exact same way that idiot trump and his supporters have used words.
4) I hate hypocrites. For sure we all are from time to time, but I'm really tired of the back and forth of "Oh yeah, but what about what your team did...." It's killing the political process and killing our country faster then guns.
5) I name call and use profanity as well....and it's when I'm generally out of control. We can't let this be the new norm for us. And at the very least we shouldn't use the worst of the worst words.

So of course Trump is a racist attacking idiot that should be removed from office. Of course Rosanne is a racist idiot that rightfully lost her show. But it doesn't mean that Samantha Bee's use of the most derogatory term for a woman can slide by, especially since she used it in anger towards a woman (instead of the man her anger should be directed at) on national TV.

great post and I agree 100% with you say here. I'm honestly extremely surprised that people here are arguing against these points and are ok with the word Bee used on TV.

Saying it on TV, meh, I don't know. It's a cable network airing in the late evening (I think that's right anway, never seen it). I heard (and saw) a lot worse beginning with the NYPD Blue era of MA-14 shows that aired weekday evenings.This wasn't the evening news at 600pm or Nickelodeon on Saturday morning. Hopefully no one offended is enjoying watching Game of Thrones if it's about it airing on TV. And I agree, the network made the choice by airing it, which means they weren't afraid of the FCC, or didn't care.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

Meanwhile, Law & Order: SVU is still a super popular network show where we can enjoy seeing women raped and children molested and murdered. And on the news we get to watch civilians get gunned down by America's allies, in living colour ... But yeah, the C-word is definitely a no-no on late night cable! For shame, all of us who aren't scandalized by a word some people find offensive!!

tbergs · June 2018

fife said:

HesCalledDyer said:

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

Just an observation, but it seems most on here are also refraining from actually typing the word "cunt" and opting for c-word, but we've all dropped other cuss words without a second thought. Is it because it does carry more weight in our current culture or because we're afraid the mods will become upset, which goes back to my first point?

Because like it or not, words take on meanings and become worse than other words....and the c-word is one of those bad words. Its a dehumanizing way to degrade a woman.

But is it, though? LIke I mentioned before, the US seems to be the only majority English-speaking nation that has a problem with it. I call my male friends cunts quite a bit. Has nothing to do with dehumanzing a female and I don't think of females or female anatomy when I call them that, nor is it the intended reference. It's just my way of saying "you fucking idiot!" Like the English & Aussies do.

American women are also often digusted & offended by another word. Next thing you know we won't be able to say "moist" in public.

there are so many issues with this post.

1st off, its not just a US issue.
2nd do you call your female friends the c-word alot also? i find it interesting that you write male friends instead.
3rd, I know many woman who have been called c by men who were abusive toward them. it is a dehumanzing term.
4th, i like how you just basically say to woman to suck it up about words and then compare the C word to moist

Abused women, children and men are called a lot of things which include every swear word you can think of, so that would be like saying every swear word is dehumanizing. Bitch is a female dog in heat and is the only one I can think of that derives from an animal. We shit, fuck and piss so the rest have all derived from some part of our anatomy or bodily functions.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

tbergs said:

fife said:

HesCalledDyer said:

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

Just an observation, but it seems most on here are also refraining from actually typing the word "cunt" and opting for c-word, but we've all dropped other cuss words without a second thought. Is it because it does carry more weight in our current culture or because we're afraid the mods will become upset, which goes back to my first point?

Because like it or not, words take on meanings and become worse than other words....and the c-word is one of those bad words. Its a dehumanizing way to degrade a woman.

But is it, though? LIke I mentioned before, the US seems to be the only majority English-speaking nation that has a problem with it. I call my male friends cunts quite a bit. Has nothing to do with dehumanzing a female and I don't think of females or female anatomy when I call them that, nor is it the intended reference. It's just my way of saying "you fucking idiot!" Like the English & Aussies do.

American women are also often digusted & offended by another word. Next thing you know we won't be able to say "moist" in public.

there are so many issues with this post.

1st off, its not just a US issue.
2nd do you call your female friends the c-word alot also? i find it interesting that you write male friends instead.
3rd, I know many woman who have been called c by men who were abusive toward them. it is a dehumanzing term.
4th, i like how you just basically say to woman to suck it up about words and then compare the C word to moist

Abused women, children and men are called a lot of things which include every swear word you can think of, so that would be like saying every swear word is dehumanizing. Bitch is a female dog in heat and is the only one I can think of that derives from an animal. We shit, fuck and piss so the rest have all derived from some part of our anatomy or bodily functions.

Exactly. Singling out the c-word makes absolutely no sense at all.
Context is everything. If you call an abused woman a stupid jerk while she's being abused, that is no better at all. But that isn't stopping people from saying stupid jerk.

Roseanne Barr

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