'Creepy uncle' Morgan Freeman issues apology after eight women accuse him of sexual harassment

cincybearcat

my2hands said:

Not Morgan Freeman!?!?!?

My thoughts exactly. Sooooo disappointed 

PJ_Soul

It just really pisses me off that Freeman has tried to make himself the victim here (boohoo, my legacy is being tainted!! ) ... and a LOT of people are falling for that perspective, I'm sure just because he was beloved and some people just don't like "being forced to turn on" those they respect.

cincybearcat

So I watched a couple of the videos. One I don’t think freeman did anything weird. Another he was clearly hitting on the lady....and the lady played it off. While I’m not sure how much he was hitting on her was appropriate in that time and place, she never asked him to stop. 

Ill have to check out the other incidents mentioned.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

So I watched a couple of the videos. One I don’t think freeman did anything weird. Another he was clearly hitting on the lady....and the lady played it off. While I’m not sure how much he was hitting on her was appropriate in that time and place, she never asked him to stop. 

Ill have to check out the other incidents mentioned.

Does it matter if she didn't ask him to stop?
Sexual harassment in the work place discourages women from saying stop by its very nature. That's kind of the whole point.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

So I watched a couple of the videos. One I don’t think freeman did anything weird. Another he was clearly hitting on the lady....and the lady played it off. While I’m not sure how much he was hitting on her was appropriate in that time and place, she never asked him to stop. 

Ill have to check out the other incidents mentioned.

Does it matter if she didn't ask him to stop?
Sexual harassment in the work place discourages women from saying stop by its very nature. That's kind of the whole point.

Probably not in that setting, as I said. It’s inappropriate for a work setting. It is also the same thing that goes on in bars and nightclubs all the time and it’s encouraged.  But you are right, the setting matters a lot.  So no it doesn’t matter. 

But ill be teaching my daugher to be clear and direct when she is uncomfortable. I think that’s the best way, even if you shouldn’t have to deal with it, should be prepared to deal with it in a professional manner. (I’m talkkng about my own kid here, not what others should do or whether they should have to).

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

So I watched a couple of the videos. One I don’t think freeman did anything weird. Another he was clearly hitting on the lady....and the lady played it off. While I’m not sure how much he was hitting on her was appropriate in that time and place, she never asked him to stop. 

Ill have to check out the other incidents mentioned.

Does it matter if she didn't ask him to stop?
Sexual harassment in the work place discourages women from saying stop by its very nature. That's kind of the whole point.

Probably not in that setting, as I said. It’s inappropriate for a work setting. It is also the same thing that goes on in bars and nightclubs all the time and it’s encouraged.  But you are right, the setting matters a lot.  So no it doesn’t matter. 

But ill be teaching my daugher to be clear and direct when she is uncomfortable. I think that’s the best way, even if you shouldn’t have to deal with it, should be prepared to deal with it in a professional manner. (I’m talkkng about my own kid here, not what others should do or whether they should have to).

That is great advice for your daughter.... I just hope she feels able to take that advice when she feels like doing so threatens her job/career. I don't think the problem is usually that women experiencing sexual harassment in the workplace can't bring themselves to be clear and direct in general. It's that they are tuned in enough to recognize that if they choose to be clear and direct to defend themselves, they very well might be choosing between dealing with inappropriate behaviour from a colleague and not getting the promotion, or getting a bad reputation as being "difficult" or something. Women don't stay silent because they are meek. They stay silent because they're already fighting an uphill battle, and they don't want to compromise all that hard work or their future.

cincybearcat

I know it’s not the biggest problem. But I don’t have a son, so all I can do is try to prepare her to deal with peoples sons that weren’t properly raised/prepared.

I understand everything you say, and also while worrying about that and advocating in the workplace now, I choose to still prepare her in the event some creep hasn’t learned.

I also plan to be in a position to help her, so that she can be direct but appropriate and if her company doesn’t back her up, she needs to find a new place. That’s not right, but again, if it happens be prepared. It’s not worth sacrificing your dignity and safety to be apart of an organization that doesn’t respect you.

tempo_n_groove

ConorKavanagh said:

Yeah jails can be kind of boring. I've visited some historically significant ones (Alcatraz, Kilmainham), but ultimately they're just creepy old buildings.

I've built 30 or so prisons and they are all the same...

dankind

PJ_Soul said:

It just really pisses me off that Freeman has tried to make himself the victim here (boohoo, my legacy is being tainted!! ) ... and a LOT of people are falling for that perspective, I'm sure just because he was beloved and some people just don't like "being forced to turn on" those they respect.

His legacy will forever be tainted by being in Driving Miss Daisy.

Also, Christopher Nolan sure hired a bunch of creeps and assholes for his overwrought Batman trilogy. Those sets must've been toxic as hell.